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Old Jun 19, 2013, 10:24 PM   #121
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Well this makes my decision harder. Of course it makes me feel better if I were to buy an Xbox one for the exclusives like Forza and GOW.
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Old Jun 19, 2013, 10:27 PM   #122
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No thanks. I prefer wearing actual clothing that actually exists rather pretending reality doesn't exist.

You meant Emperor btw, not king.

I think the analogy actually points the other way. I'm the one trying to tell folks the truth of how things work. You guys are the ones saying look at these fancy new duds Sony is wearing.

I'm the one laughing because I already know where the industry is going...and yet everyone thinks I'm the one full of crap.


It will be amusing in about 3 years to see how this works out for you folks.

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Old Jun 19, 2013, 10:38 PM   #123
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I'm the one laughing because I already know where the industry is going...and yet everyone thinks I'm the one full of crap.

It will be amusing in about 3 years to see how this works out for you folks.
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Awesome response!

That's me responding from 2010.
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Old Jun 19, 2013, 10:53 PM   #125
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Doesn't matter. Already made my choice. Already preordered PS4.
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Old Jun 19, 2013, 11:52 PM   #127
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Good news, now it's about the games and price difference, etc.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 12:17 AM   #128
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I went to sleep mad and I woke up mad..
As always common folks who dont understand anything and are scared of thier own shadow are holding technology back.

GJ there!

Whats next? You already started on google glasses also, shall they put the development down on that also?
Lets go back to the stone age! FIRE oooooh aaaaah.
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Old Jun 20, 2013, 12:23 AM   #129
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I went to sleep mad and I woke up mad..
As always common folks who dont understand anything and are scared of thier own shadow are holding technology back.

GJ there!

Whats next? You already started on google glasses also, shall they put the development down on that also?
Lets go back to the stone age! FIRE oooooh aaaaah.


I just wish more of us had been vocal sooner. People get mad at us, but the vocal minority wins again.

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I went to sleep mad and I woke up mad..
As always common folks who dont understand anything and are scared of thier own shadow are holding technology back.

GJ there!

Whats next? You already started on google glasses also, shall they put the development down on that also?
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I just wish more of us had been vocal sooner. People whet mad at us, but tur vocal minority wins again.
What a ****ing crock. How is adding CHOICE to the ecosystem a bad thing?? If Microsoft wanted to add these vaporware features in the current system, they could find a way. Sure it would HAVE TO be different from how it was supposed to work, but there would be a way. Of course they opt to take the easy way out and just drop the features completely. Don't blame consumers, blame Microsoft for half-assing it and not having a comprehensive plan B that included this scenario in the first place.
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so we will never be in the future now????

wtf ms , i thought you said that was the future

its good that customer won, ps4 won, and ms is listening
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What a ****ing crock. How is adding CHOICE to the ecosystem a bad thing?? If Microsoft wanted to add these vaporware features in the current system, they could find a way. Sure it would HAVE TO be different from how it was supposed to work, but there would be a way. Of course they opt to take the easy way out and just drop the features completely. Don't blame consumers, blame Microsoft for half-assing it and not having a comprehensive plan B that included this scenario in the first place.


So you are a developer? Tell me a DRM-free system that publishers would agree to that would allow everything planned.

Outline for me your expertise and knowledge in this matter.

I'm really curious now since you always seem to have an answer for everything.


Also mind sending me a link to your work portfolio? A talent like yours is vastly needed in the industry if you can do this...after all you make it sound easy.

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Old Jun 20, 2013, 12:58 AM   #133
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So you are a developer? Tell me a DRM-free system that publishers would agree to that would allow everything planned.

Outline for me your expertise and knowledge in this matter.

I'm really curious now since you always seem to have an answer for everything.
Simple and already answered.

Allow people to choose by implementing the new system for digital downloads. However, I find it hard to believe that publishers would be okay with the family library system as described. It would let 90% of households conveniently play games without ever buying a copy.
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So you are a developer? Tell me a DRM-free system that publishers would agree to that would allow everything planned.

Outline for me your expertise and knowledge in this matter.

I'm really curious now since you always seem to have an answer for everything.
If Microsoft is interested in my input, they can hire me. But this is quite besides the point. If you can't refute what I said, then perhaps you should just keep quiet.
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Simple and already answered.

Allow people to choose by implementing the new system for digital downloads. However, I find it hard to believe that publishers would be okay with the family library system as described. It would let 90% of households conveniently play games without ever buying a copy.


That still involves DRM and DRM is of the devil. Right?

No, no. Everything must be as it was...screw progress.

In case anyone is wondering...now I am officially in DGAF mode.
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If Microsoft is interested in my input, they can hire me. But this is quite besides the point. If you can't refute what I said, then perhaps you should just keep quiet.


Oh I'm sorry. So you don't have any intention of showing your industry knowledge and experience?

Back of the line please.

You talk about how easy this is. So show everyone...otherwise you're just running your mouth.

I'm giving you a shot here to prove that you're not just an angry person looking for something to be angry about.

You won't take it though...

Predictable.
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Well, as much as I am happy about it, it makes by console pick decision harder. I guess the best time to buy one of these two consoles is one year down the road after they are released.
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That still involves DRM and DRM is of the devil. Right?

No, no. Everything must be as it was...screw progress.

In case anyone is wondering...now I am officially in DGAF mode.
I have never said I was opposed to DRM. I am just opposed to DRM that is inconvenient for users and will inevitably result in the destruction of a valued work. For this reason I think it has been for the best that MS reverted to the old way of doing things.

If MS really believed the new way was better, they should have put the two up against each other and let the consumers decide. There isn't any technical reason the two systems could not have coexisted.
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That still involves DRM and DRM is of the devil. Right?

No, no. Everything must be as it was...screw progress.

In case anyone is wondering...now I am officially in DGAF mode.
Having a disk in the drive is a form of DRM. Just because you insist on doing something one way, doesn't mean it can't be done another. Perhaps MS should have more closely considered the position of the consumer before "dreaming big". Then perhaps they could have come up with more options, rather than excuses. In either case, your DGAF mode does seem awfully pissant. I can empathize with your disappointment, but you really should not be taking all of this personally. The world is not your enemy, man. Be happy for people who were against buying an X-one yesterday, but are pre-ordering it today.
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Well, as much as I am happy about it, it makes by console pick decision harder. I guess the best time to buy one of these two consoles is one year down the road after they are released.
I have been thinking about this all day. I already have the PS4 pre-order though so I might as well see what happens. If I don't want the console, maybe I can turn a small profit on it.
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Oh I'm sorry. So you don't have any intention of showing your industry knowledge and experience?

Back of the line please.

You talk about how easy this is. So show everyone...otherwise you're just running your mouth.

I'm giving you a shot here to prove that you're not just an angry person looking for something to be angry about.

You won't take it though...

Predictable.
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What a ****ing crock. How is adding CHOICE to the ecosystem a bad thing?? If Microsoft wanted to add these vaporware features in the current system, they could find a way. Sure it would HAVE TO be different from how it was supposed to work, but there would be a way. Of course they opt to take the easy way out and just drop the features completely. Don't blame consumers, blame Microsoft for half-assing it and not having a comprehensive plan B that included this scenario in the first place.
There was a choice from the start. Dont like it buy any other of the 2 consoles
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I have never said I was opposed to DRM. I am just opposed to DRM that is inconvenient for users and will inevitably result in the destruction of a valued work. For this reason I think it has been for the best that MS reverted to the old way of doing things.

If MS really believed the new way was better, they should have put the two up against each other and let the consumers decide. There isn't any technical reason the two systems could not have coexisted.


Then you have a divided ecosystem and version skew issues and it just becomes a mess.

Developers have to code for both scenarios. That is a far larger nightmare


Now with Ciera I was being contemptuous.

In your case I ask seriously have you ever tried to do something like this? Your input I actually listen to since you debate the points, and don't just have a knee-jerk reaction.
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There was a choice from the start. Dont like it buy any other of the 2 consoles
Thank you for stating the obvious. However that choice doesn't work in Microsoft's favor, as has been made quite evident.
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There was a choice from the start. Dont like it buy any other of the 2 consoles


Exactly. I am tired of the whiny little children who pretend that they can't buy something else and that MS put a gun to their head or something.

Un-f'ing-believeable.
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Thank you for stating the obvious. However that choice doesn't work in Microsoft's favor, as has been made quite evident.


Indeed. Buy what you want. Don't make the rest of us lose features because you don't want them.

Still waiting btw for you to say something that actually contributes to how this could have worked both ways.

I'm not holding my breath though.
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Indeed. Buy what you want. Don't make the rest of us lose features because you don't want them.

Still waiting btw for you to say something that actually contributes to how this could have worked both ways.

I'm not holding my breath though.
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So as I predicted, you have no idea and were talking out your ass.


On with the topic...
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So as I predicted, you have no idea and were talking out your ass.


On with the topic...
Yes, on with the topic. The Xbox 180. If you want to create a "Let's figure out how to get DRM done, the right way" focus group, you can make a new topic. Here's something on topic:

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Yes, on with the topic. The Xbox 180. If you want to create a "Let's figure out how to get DRM done, the right way" focus group, you can make a new topic. Here's something on topic:


Actually all policy/DRM related posts were redirected here by staff.

Your meme is a pathetic attempt to avoid showing how little knowledge you have.

What's that...don't like someone who treats you the way you treat others?

Too bad.

Sorry folks...taking out the trash. Sorry about the clutter, but I know there are folks are thinking like me who are afraid to speak up. I just don't care about the consequences of being honest and don't mind speaking up for you.

Let's not let this spoil a proper discussion.

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