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Old Jul 30, 2020, 12:52 PM   #31
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This is the 2nd GPU I've had with their brand on it and the 2nd GPU that has been jacked up in my lifetime of owning GPUs. Previous was MSI X800 Pro with artifacting straight out of the box.

I have an MSI laptop. It works great. I have had three MSI motherboards. They are great as well. No more MSI GPUs for me.
This really sucks. Do you have any other recourse to get the card fixed?
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This really sucks. Do you have any other recourse to get the card fixed?
I've read a few threads/reddit posts that say after you've RMA'd the same card three times they replace it, or you get a credit or refund for the purchase price. For me that would be $280 because I redeemed the three games from the promotion at the time, effectively subtracting $150 from my $430 purchase price. Considering 3 shipping purchases at $30, I come out with $190 and ~three months of using my 7970 instead (which is on its last leg).

Other than that, my only recourse is to get screwed.

Yesterday I clicked the "Request Service" button. In it I explained the card returned from RMA and had the same issue. Explicitly said "I am hoping for another solution other than RMAing the card again.". Their response? An RMA ticket. Pretty sure I'm being trolled.
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Old Aug 1, 2020, 06:52 AM   #33
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How much power is it drawing/how hot is it getting when folding? It sucks that there seems to be something wrong with the card, but maybe it's worth trying to get to the bottom of what the problem is.

You could install MSI Afterburner and trying bumping the core and memory clock down a little, and/or reduce the power limit (do them one at a time), and see if you can figure out what the issue is. That may help get it resolved, or at least provide a work around.

Anyway, this sort of thing really sucks. I had a Gigabyte X370 motherboard that suffered from the "soft brick" bug (basically sometimes when powered off the board just wouldn't boot as if it were dead, but pulling the battery fixed it). It was so bad that it was happening multiple times every week, so I tried to RMA it but it wasn't fixed. I eventually just gave the board away to a friend as there wasn't any way to get it fixed properly, and I couldn't sell it to anyone in good conscience with that problem. You definitely have my sympathies dealing with a troublesome RMA situation.
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How much power is it drawing/how hot is it getting when folding? It sucks that there seems to be something wrong with the card, but maybe it's worth trying to get to the bottom of what the problem is.

You could install MSI Afterburner and trying bumping the core and memory clock down a little, and/or reduce the power limit (do them one at a time), and see if you can figure out what the issue is. That may help get it resolved, or at least provide a work around.

Anyway, this sort of thing really sucks. I had a Gigabyte X370 motherboard that suffered from the "soft brick" bug (basically sometimes when powered off the board just wouldn't boot as if it were dead, but pulling the battery fixed it). It was so bad that it was happening multiple times every week, so I tried to RMA it but it wasn't fixed. I eventually just gave the board away to a friend as there wasn't any way to get it fixed properly, and I couldn't sell it to anyone in good conscience with that problem. You definitely have my sympathies dealing with a troublesome RMA situation.
I've changed numerous settings, and different WUs cause different power load. For instance, the one that I'm crunching now on Power Saver preset was resumed from a crash overnight. It's drawing a meager 115W at peak.

I've fiddled with core voltages, clock settings, and aggressive fan ramp-up. None of it seems to matter.

The one time (before RMA) that it ran for days without a crash was when I used the Turbo Preset (Vega has Power Saver, Balanced, and Turbo Presets in addition to the Auto/Manual tabs) (screenshot), at 82C average GPU temp and average 240W power draw. But then randomly went back to crashing every few hours.

I ran/folded with my HD 7970 at (guestimate) 180W continuously for over a month without a single crash. It was awesome in that respect.

I'm tempted to pick up a $280 5600XT at a ~15% performance loss and be done with it.
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Old Aug 1, 2020, 08:23 AM   #35
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Likewise, sorry to hear about your motherboard situation. So far that's a score of 0/2 for anecdotal computer component RMA experiences. My previous motherboard was a Gigabyte UD3R X58. Memory controller failed, but it was 13 years old.

I don't know if I could stomach RMAing a motherboard on my primary PC.
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The Vega 64 outside of the stock settings, and specially when under volting/manual overclocking/under clocking has/had issue with clock spikes that would hard lock the machine because of how it controls clock speeds based on temperature/voltage/heat and head room in combination to all those. Since mine was reference aircooled, converted to water, when I overclocked it, I had issues constantly with this, but only in a couple particular games. It took me a lot of time to figure out what was causing it and find setting that wouldn't spike. Example, I could not set my max core clock speed higher than 1680 otherwise it would spike to 1800+ and hard lock (AMD liquid cooled come set default at 1750, air cooled 1560). Since my Vega was not stable over 1720, any spikes above that would cause issues, and undervaluing made it worse. The reason is how AMD's clock speed algorithm works in conjunction with the temperature/voltage/heat as I mentioned above.

Also, I know you where originally concerned about the hot spot temp.. IIRC, the max hot spot temp for Vega 64 air cooled is 115 C before it throttles due to the Hot spot temperature. There is this little voice in the back of my head that keeps trying to tell me it's 130C, but I like to ignore that voice..lol (I could very well be 130C, I don't fully remember)



Anyhow, it could very well be your clock speeds spiking without you realizing it.


One game that seemed to draw this issue out believe it or not was 7 days 2 die. I could play nearly every game for hours (10+ hours battlefield 1/ Battlefield 5)and never have an issuees But with 7 days 2 die, due to the gpu clock spike (causing by my fiddling with core clocks, voltages, undervolting, etc) it would hard lock either 5 minutes into the game or 2 hours into the game. Many times it was when I paused the game to grab something to eat or drink.. and I would come back to a locked up machine.. I had to start logging gpu clock speeds with MSI afterburning, to notice the clock spikes, and then do a lot of reading to try and understand why.. and I still really don't fully understand how AMD's Algorithm works, hence why I won't even attempt to try to explain it to you. Power limits play roll in this as well.
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This card is supposed to down throttle the clock when it gets to 75C, and for the most part, it's successful. Right now it's at 1530 Mhz and drawing 170W (at 75C).

Here's an old log capture from GPUz when playing a $2 shooter on Steam.
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As you can see, temps got pretty high and the clock speeds were kept down. To be fair to your point, I did not experience any crashes while playing this.

Seems a buggy algorithm causing a clock spike would be a BIOS issue and fixed easily. That said, being part of a 0.2% - 0.5% market share has its downsides.
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So... I found out by pure accident that the strange switch on the side of my card is a BIOS switch. There's very little official information about it... Primary mode is full power, Secondary mode is reduced.

In an attempt to solve my crashing issues and save $280, I decided to try switching the switch. PC crashed, I powered it down, took case apart, switched the switch, powered the PC on. Three long beeps and no video. Powered PC back off, switched back the switch, and it boots up fine.

Is there anything special I need to do to try out Secondary mode, or is my card more dorked up than I previously thought?
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So... I found out by pure accident that the strange switch on the side of my card is a BIOS switch. There's very little official information about it... Primary mode is full power, Secondary mode is reduced.

In an attempt to solve my crashing issues and save $280, I decided to try switching the switch. PC crashed, I powered it down, took case apart, switched the switch, powered the PC on. Three long beeps and no video. Powered PC back off, switched back the switch, and it boots up fine.

Is there anything special I need to do to try out Secondary mode, or is my card more dorked up than I previously thought?
You done fugged up poking the bios switch with the rig on. You're only supposed to do that with the computer off. Might have corrupted the bios when switching it with the pc on.

That's just me adding a bit of common sense to the mix so i may be wrong but my thought process usually checks out on things like this.

If it's corrupted there may be a way to flash the bios so it works again on the proper setting.
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Please tell me you didn't flip the BIOS switch with the PC running.

My God what would possess you to think that's a good idea?
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Docs for my gpu say to reinstall video card drivers after flicking the bios switch
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Docs for my gpu say to reinstall video card drivers after flicking the bios switch
It won't get to POST.

To everyone else, I did not flip the switch while it was on. The thing has been crashing frequently, more than before RMA. I simply waited for it to crash before powering down and flipping the switch. I thought my steps taken were clearly lined up but maybe not.
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You are not able to flash the reduced power mode bios, it is designed like for duel bios backup ability.

It's possible all along that you have been running in the reduced power mode. Switching it to the "performance" mode which is flashable, you have increased power usage, even on boot as most cards boot at max clock speeds as part of their self test set in the cards firmware i believe. If that is the case, it's possible your motherboard is the culprit, having an issue with power delivery, or possible a motherboard bios issue, even though you have the latest as gpu's get 75 watts from the motherboard.


Have you tested the card in a different machine/motherboard?

In all honesty, even though your UPS shows max draw of in the 500's.. it sounds like a power supply issue if it isn't your motherboard. It's also possible you have a faulty pci-e power cable or connector. Either way, I would look at power delivery for an issue. Not the card.
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I agree the randomness of how it does crash seems like a power issue, but I still think it's an issue with the card. Reasons below:

Operation works in Primary (high wattage) mode. According to this chart https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...a-64,5173.html my power draw matches all three presets when folding a "real" WU.

Card when drawing only 110W ON A 16421 WU will still crash.

Power Saver preset keeps it under 165W regardless. Still crashes.

HD 7970 folded for a month at roughly 200W constant.

So it sounds like there is nothing special I had to do prior to flipping the switch (other than powering the PC off). The card is even more dorked up than I thought. Wish I knew about the switch before RMA. MSI documentation is generic AF.
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To answer your question, I have not tried it in another motherboard. I have no working motherboards to use, and everyone I know who has a PC does not have an appropriate power supply.
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I agree the randomness of how it does crash seems like a power issue, but I still think it's an issue with the card. Reasons below:

Operation works in Primary (high wattage) mode. According to this chart https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...a-64,5173.html my power draw matches all three presets when folding a "real" WU.

Card when drawing only 110W ON A 16421 WU will still crash.

Power Saver preset keeps it under 165W regardless. Still crashes.

HD 7970 folded for a month at roughly 200W constant.

So it sounds like there is nothing special I had to do prior to flipping the switch (other than powering the PC off). The card is even more dorked up than I thought. Wish I knew about the switch before RMA. MSI documentation is generic AF.
How do you have the card plugged in? Are you using 2 separate pci-e power cables? If not, you need to switch to 2 separate pci-e cables (not one with dual pci-e connectors)


Also keep in mind, many power draw software utilities are not reliable as most don't calculate in power spikes that only last a couple ms. If you are using gpu-z to log the cards power draw, it is not reliable as it only reports what the gpu is telling it, and gpu-z is only reporting the gpu core power draw, excluding the power draw for the rest of the card like memory, etc.

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You also can't rely on power saving settings, as it isn't a hard limit, meaning it will allow the card to go over 165watts for short periods of time. Not instantly throttle to a limit of 165 watts. It's basically a running average over a set time frame designed to allow for headroom and fluctuations that averages out to 165 watts. Which is also what most power draw utilities also do.. they basically show max draw with the spikes and lowes averaged out. Most power supplies are also rated with such spikes in mind. (Aka headroom to handle fluctuation spikes over it's rating).

The only real way to get a true accurate power draw readings is with special equipment.
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I use two separate 8-pin cables.

All good points, NWR. Unfortunately, I still think I have too much contrary evidence that my power supply is at fault.

Another reason: I've put it in Turbo mode and core draw is 250W at that point. It is less stable, sure, but it can and will run at 250W for hours without issue. Add CPU folding for another 100W on the power supply and it still runs fine. Until it crashes.

In fact, Saturday morning putting it in Turbo mode kept it from crashing. I thought I found a fix, until it kept dying on me Monday.

It seems that if my power supply had issues supplying power to the GPU (when in Power Saver mode, or when -14% clock, etc.) it would be reasonably replicatable by increasing the load by 100W on the one pair of cables.

I think whatever issue it is, it's related to when the card cools down after being under load. In Red Dead Redemption, it only crashes during cut scenes. In The Division 2, it only crashes when going indoors from outdoors (never the reverse). When folding, it seems to crash when writing a checkpoint (which is why I had such an issue with 16435 WUs that wrote checkpoints every 0.2%; every 45s). All of these are when the GPU temp drops when load is released.

Then there's my UPS readout. With the 7970 I got about 380W w/idle CPU. Vega has definitely died on me with less than that. Mine is a really good power supply that's spec'd for 748.8W on the 12V rail, and EVGA is a brand with a good reputation. I just don't see it being the issue considering the patterns I've been able to put together.
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I use two separate 8-pin cables.

All good points, NWR. Unfortunately, I still think I have too much contrary evidence that my power supply is at fault.

Another reason: I've put it in Turbo mode and core draw is 250W at that point. It is less stable, sure, but it can and will run at 250W for hours without issue. Add CPU folding for another 100W on the power supply and it still runs fine. Until it crashes.

In fact, Saturday morning putting it in Turbo mode kept it from crashing. I thought I found a fix, until it kept dying on me Monday.

It seems that if my power supply had issues supplying power to the GPU (when in Power Saver mode, or when -14% clock, etc.) it would be reasonably replicatable by increasing the load by 100W on the one pair of cables.

I think whatever issue it is, it's related to when the card cools down after being under load. In Red Dead Redemption, it only crashes during cut scenes. In The Division 2, it only crashes when going indoors from outdoors (never the reverse). When folding, it seems to crash when writing a checkpoint (which is why I had such an issue with 16435 WUs that wrote checkpoints every 0.2%; every 45s). All of these are when the GPU temp drops when load is released.

Then there's my UPS readout. With the 7970 I got about 380W w/idle CPU. Vega has definitely died on me with less than that. Mine is a really good power supply that's spec'd for 748.8W on the 12V rail, and EVGA is a brand with a good reputation. I just don't see it being the issue considering the patterns I've been able to put together.
So it appears it has nothing to do with power draw, but power drop.

When the load on the card is released, so is the power draw, even if it's only a fraction of time. All it takes is a failing power regulator in the power supply to cause such issues. I also have an EVGA power supply, yes, they are good power supplies, but even the best made products have failures.

I know that your 7970 doesn't have the issue, but you are talking about 2 different architectures that effect/ handle power differently, partly due to the architecture and partly due to the speed difference as the Vega 64 is twice as fast as the 7970 which can effect how quickly it stops drawing power, and how quickly it reduces that draw, etc. If the power regulator or some other failure (bad capacitor, ect) in the power supply is failing, all it takes is a minor difference between the two cards to cause issues not connected to max power draw, but the sudden drop in power draw. Basically, it's possible the power supply is not able to handle the transmission spikes or drops quick enough resulting in a crash.

I guess all I am trying to say, is don't assume it's not the power supply. I have had power supplies test good, and in the end, it ended up being the problem.

It could also be an issue with the cards p-stats when it tries to adjust for the drop in load. But again, I wouldn't over look the power supply.

I would also remove the undervolt and any other manual adjustments you have made until you can get the card to run stable without any lockups (run it bare bones stock). The under volting alone can cause lockups.
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I had a pretty hefty response but lost it all in another crash.

Long story short: getting a new PSU works better for my conundrum (I want Big Navi and I want to build my kids a PC because they're destroying my laptop that I need for travel when I eventually travel again).

If I have a bad PSU, I can RMA it and use the one that comes back for the kids' PC. I lose nothing by buying a 2nd PSU even if Vega still crashes.
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After 36 hours with a new 850W eVGA G+ PSU, my crashing issues persist.

I had promising results initially. 18 hours straight, the machine folded and did not crumble. RDR2 did not crash.

I typed up a huge post about eating crow, invoking LordHawkwind (from the Vega Owners thread), and a few other things. But I saved it offline because I know how finicky this **** can be. I was so angry and happy at the same time - I didn't know that the two extremes could be experienced simultaneously.

But then there was a crash. Chalked it up to the [email protected] core. Pretended it didn't happen.

But then there was another crash. Maybe driver issue. Not hardware for sure. These things happen.

But then there was a third crash. Max fan, this time. Just like the old days. Nothing is different.
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Well, gentlemen (and the odd lady) it's been a solid week of folding with no crashing.



I think it's been long enough that I can announce to you all that I've found a fix.

The fix?

I bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 5700XT

This means that

My Vega 64 may make a nice paperweight, but now I can RMA it without being obsessed on when it's going to get back and if it's going to work. Found a way to ship it for $16 and I'll ship it a third time if it comes back bunked. A working Vega 64 will be overkill for my kids PC, and when not in use, be a significant folding machine.

Best to everyone. Will report back if MSI actually fixes my card or when I give up on it.
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With a whimper, the saga ends.



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Nice deposit on the next one? Timely.
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More like a rebate. I've been rocking a 5700XT for a few weeks.

After much reflection, it's the most perfect outcome. I still want Big Navi, but it made even less sense to get it when I have V64 + 5700XT. With V64 out of the equation and a reasonable sum in my pocket, it works out pretty well assuming Big Navi will be semi-reasonable in price and actually available for purchase. I'm picturing March 2021 timeframe. Give the integrators time to figure out the best ways to cool it like Sapphire's done with this Nitro+.
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Well there you go! You tried every possible cause short of the card being defective, and in the end, it was. Enjoy your new card!
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