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Old Jun 8, 2020, 10:52 PM   #31
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The Lexus is better than the BMW but they are both ugly. That M4 is just downright hideous.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 10:33 AM   #32
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i feel like the big grill fits lexus about a zillion times more beemers. BMW styling generally isn't too outlandish and the big grill just clashes with it. I guess you could say the same about Lexus but it seems their big grill fits more with their overall style.

lexus also is fighting to differentiate itself from toyota and their late 2000s grill was too toyota-ey. hell even the new camry grill is out there.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 10:47 AM   #33
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i feel like the big grill fits lexus about a zillion times more beemers. BMW styling generally isn't too outlandish and the big grill just clashes with it. I guess you could say the same about Lexus but it seems their big grill fits more with their overall style.

lexus also is fighting to differentiate itself from toyota and their late 2000s grill was too toyota-ey. hell even the new camry grill is out there.
Thats how i feel.
The japanese style (or rather the Lexus Style) is kind of out there. Sharp lines, creases, lines that seem to have a purpose and go/meld somewhere, overdesigned/overstyled at times, and the grille fits that theme.

German car design is a bit more restrained and has softer lines, with character lines or crease that is used to break up the slab sided/dullness of the smooth plane.

The current design direction that BMW has taken seems to be heading more towards the Japanese style, theres alot more overdesign which feels wierd with the BMW badge (i find the rear ends of many of the new BMW's look alot like Lexus taillights). And in turn it seems like BMW is still trying to maintain the german softness (as evident mainly from body towards the rear) of its german design but then they want to tack on the boldness of the japanese style (evident with the front fascia) but they dont meld together all that well. Take away all the sharpness and remove the sharp lines of the "bold" design (like in the base BMW 4 series with the pig nostrils) and it looks quite.....awful.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 12:48 PM   #34
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All I see when I see this ugly thing. BMW bringing back the Hitler stache.
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There is truly no good reason to have one.
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There is truly no good reason to have one.
My father used to be a police officer (as well as several other jobs) so I had asked him the importance of it. He said it was useful back in the day when the streets were more narrow and there weren't as many divided highways. He mentioned that during those times, officers would be able to use the front license plates for identification. He said these days, it's just used as a revenue generator for some areas.
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yea its a legacy thing from the 60's that ruins nice cars.
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Thing that pisses me off is they don't wait until the car is sold to drill the holes. The dealer does it, right? I bought my GTI in Jersey so it already had a front plate on. They should wait until the damn sale is made to do that.
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Thing that pisses me off is they don't wait until the car is sold to drill the holes. The dealer does it, right? I bought my GTI in Jersey so it already had a front plate on. They should wait until the damn sale is made to do that.
The one good thing about buying my Florida car from a Georgia dealer is they didn't have any holes for the front plate. I have one I can throw on the tow hook if I ever get a ticket, but I'll never drill anything to mount one.
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The Alfa didn't have any holes drilled in the bumper (fortunately) but since a front plate is required in Wisconsin I did end up buying a towhook adapter/bracket.
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Thing that pisses me off is they don't wait until the car is sold to drill the holes. The dealer does it, right? I bought my GTI in Jersey so it already had a front plate on. They should wait until the damn sale is made to do that.
In my area, the dealer won't put a front plate on (even though our state requires it) unless you request it. That is, at least for the mid to upper range cars.
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So if you mount a front plate on the new 4 series...you get a moustache...over the hitler stache grille.....

Stache over Stache?

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do we have to go grillier?
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