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Old Feb 16, 2003, 08:41 PM   #91
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Don't ruin my thread kid, go play your little games...what comes around, goes around.
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Old Feb 16, 2003, 09:01 PM   #92
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doomtrooper, you can resort to petty name calling if you want but i'll be the idiot with a free r350 come march. i'm amazed that you consider my simple analogies as great detail. end of discussion.
They're stupid analogies. No, really, they're intensely stupid analogies. It's not an exact situation. If I download an MP3 or copy Windows XP (nevermind the political/moral disagreements I have with both items), I am preventing Microsoft or RIAA from receiving money. I am not however, kicking my neighbors in the nuts when I do so, because the only victim is the Microsoft and RIAA.

When you trade cards, you're creating an additional victim: some other citizen. You may never meet him, but he's certainly a victim to your crime. He'll have paid $350 for a 9700P and will have gotten some 4 year old card instead. Don't forget the loss that ATI and retailers will incur because of your theft, because they'll have to pay for the replacement of the card and stomach the loss of the first card.

Back to your stupid MP3/software analogy... If I download that MP3 and that unknown victim legitimately pays for a new CD, what he receives is a shrinkwrapped CD. He *does not* receive the MP3 i downloaded or a copy of the CDR that I burned, or a copy of the MP3/prog that I might have uploaded in exchange for the music/software. He'll never know that I may have pirated that exact CD 2 days ago.

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Old Feb 16, 2003, 09:05 PM   #93
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unless you guys have absolutely no pirated software on your computer than you are in no position to speak. the $250 that i took is no different from the countless games, apps, mp3s , and movies that you all have on your computer. if you are really are as humble and honest as you speak then this doesn't apply to you, otherwise don't be a hypocrite. i applaud your integrity and i'll see you in heaven...from hell.

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hoju22,

*chuckle* Apparently you are one of those unfortunate people who can't put himself in his neighbor's shoes...Hopefully, maybe the next piece of hardware you buy will contain the same trick played on you and then you can go back to the store and try and convince them you got the wrong hardware in your "factory-sealed" box....

Yea, it's just "great" when you discuss the "hypocritical" aspects of the situation just enough to convince yourself you've done "nothing wrong." Just wait until it happens to you, though--then you'll see how specious and self-serving your arguments actually are. Who knows, though, maybe you'll actually say to yourself: "Heck, it's OK that I got screwed out of $250! I'm sure not gonna' be a hypocrite like other people and complain about it--shoot, look all of the other free stuff I've gotten from stealing. A little pay-back is A-OK with me!" Yea, right....
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They're stupid analogies. No, really, they're intensely stupid analogies. It's not an exact situation. If I download an MP3 or copy Windows XP (nevermind the political/moral disagreements I have with both items), I am preventing Microsoft or RIAA from receiving money. I am not however, kicking my neighbors in the nuts when I do so, because the only victim is the Microsoft and RIAA.

When you trade cards, you're creating an additional victim: some other citizen. You may never meet him, but he's certainly a victim to your crime. He'll have paid $350 for a 9700P and will have gotten some 4 year old card instead. Don't forget the loss that ATI and retailers will incur because of your theft, because they'll have to pay for the replacement of the card and stomach the loss of the first card.

Back to your stupid MP3/software analogy... If I download that MP3 and that unknown victim legitimately pays for a new CD, what he receives is a shrinkwrapped CD. He *does not* receive the MP3 i downloaded or a copy of the CDR that I burned, or a copy of the MP3/prog that I might have uploaded in exchange for the music/software. He'll never know that I may have pirated that exact CD 2 days ago.
AMEN. Wow, I NEVER thought someone would steal and boast about it on the Internet. I suggest calling his local Fry's and make sure they get person's address when he returns the card...
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Why wouldn't they bring out a faster card if they can?
Because they want to milk the profits off their current line of cards before they take a price dive when the R350/RV350 get released. Its simple economics.
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Oh... and as for the post...

I'll be selling my 9700pro and buying an R350 soon after it comes out. Then i predict the addition of tweakmonster ramsinks and a Cool Jag 1U copper microfin server CPU cooler on it.
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What the (uck is wrong with some of you. You come here and BRAG how you are going to rip people off. Just PRAY you never meet me at the wrong time and in the wrong place, payback is a *****.

If I was a mod I would ban ANYONE who talks sh!t about ripping others off. Now listen here you no-life pimple @ssed mother &uckers go back to downloading porn and playing with your gameboys we don't need you here.

Ban me I don't care I'm sick of low-lifes talking sh!t and bragging about it.
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I agree completely. That offense should be an 'insta-ban'.
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What the (uck is wrong with some of you. You come here and BRAG how you are going to rip people off. Just PRAY you never meet me at the wrong time and in the wrong place, payback is a *****.

If I was a mod I would ban ANYONE who talks sh!t about ripping others off. Now listen here you no-life pimple @ssed mother &uckers go back to downloading porn and playing with your gameboys we don't need you here.

Ban me I don't care I'm sick of low-lifes talking sh!t and bragging about it.
No you're right, we don't need that here.

After seeing that thread a week or so back. When one of the members had the misfortune of having this happen to him. I'm just glad he hasn't seen this @sshole bragging about it.
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Oh... and as for the post...

I'll be selling my 9700pro and buying an R350 soon after it comes out. Then i predict the addition of tweakmonster ramsinks and a Cool Jag 1U copper microfin server CPU cooler on it.

I'll give you $150 for that 9700 pro when you get your R350
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hey, the r350 doesn't look that much different from the r300. close enough to do a *cough cough* switcheroo at fry's electronics. got myself a 9700p for $150 by "trading" in a 9500np. Guess i'll be making the "upgrade" again for free! muahaahahahahaah!
That's low. I could see doing it to Nvidia, but not ATI. *




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Old Feb 16, 2003, 11:23 PM   #102
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I'll give you $150 for that 9700 pro when you get your R350
Riiight. Funny guy!

The prices of the 9700pros wont drop too much, if any with the release of the R350 initially since the first R350 cards are going to cost $399 for at least a few weeks. i'll be able to get a nice chunk of change for it, especially from the masses over at ebay.
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Old Feb 17, 2003, 01:15 AM   #103
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ummmm, those diagrams indeed do show that it is a agp 2x board...
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Look here http://www.directron.com/15agpguide.html
Then look at RV350. It have only 1.5 Volt key, thus it support AGP 4x & 8x
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*Cough* people who post on the net have IP addresses. They can be traced. Especially those confessing to crimes. I read an article recently of a rapist who was caught after bragging in a chat rom. So, mister thief has proven his great wisdom in posting here.
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No you're right, we don't need that here.

After seeing that thread a week or so back. When one of the members had the misfortune of having this happen to him. I'm just glad he hasn't seen this @sshole bragging about it.
If I were ATI I would print the model number somewhere on the card. It would make it easier for an informed salesperson to recognize. Even if the cards were not identical a lot of these sales people can't tell the difference. At least an end user can stay away from opened or returned merchandise. I don't trust the stuff anyway. If someone returns it because they are having genuine problems the item does NOT need to be resold.

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ummmm, those diagrams indeed do show that it is a agp 2x board...
you have to look at the bracket on the side. its kinda counter intuitive how they have it lined up. but its deffinately 1.5V ala agp 4x and 8x
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I am not however, kicking my neighbors in the nuts when I do so, because the only victim is the Microsoft and RIAA.
And, of course, Microsoft and RIAA employees aren't your neighbors, are they? They are just large, facless evil empires who employ solely robots instead of people, so it's okay to steal from them?

As was said earlier, your rationalizing it by saying "Well, if I couldn't get it for free, I wouldn't use it anyway, so it's not really stealing" is just bullshit. If you 'wouldn't use it anyway' - then DON'T USE IT.

Obviously, you do WANT to use it, so by stealing a copy instead of buying it, you are a thief and contributing to the layoff cycle IT companies continue to go through.

Sorry, but software piracy is probably much worse than stealing hardware, as it is so much higher volume.

I don't agree with his position, but I *DO* have legal copies of everything I have on my PC, and all my MP3s are strictly backups of my fairly massive CD collection.

Anyone else out there with illegal MP3s or illegal stolen software have absolutely no right to criticize this guy for stealing hardware - you're a much worse thief than him!
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problem is.. most of the time its not a matter of 'wanting' to use it.. its a need

enough of this warez/stealing/morality bullshiet .. it has NOTHING to do with thread
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Look here,

Microsoft is ripping you off, they sell overpriced software, then tell you you don't own it, they stuff spyware down your throat every cahnce they get, they screw over good companies with malicious tactics, they are embodiment of corporate evill, same goes for RIAA. Nobody feels like they are ripping microsoft or the music industry off cause they microsoft and the music industry have been ripping us off for years.

Each CD manufactued and burnt costs &1.50 to the Music Publisers, but we pay $5-6 more for CD's over audio cassetes. Basiclly, we are stealing from theives.

Now ATI and Nvidia are not theives, they have provided us hardware at reasonable costs, well.. ATI more than nvidia, hence our colective problem with you stealing their hardware. Anyway, i fear this is pointless, i shudder to even ask you your age cause i fear what the answer would be........
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And, of course, Microsoft and RIAA employees aren't your neighbors, are they? They are just large, facless evil empires who employ solely robots instead of people, so it's okay to steal from them?

As was said earlier, your rationalizing it by saying "Well, if I couldn't get it for free, I wouldn't use it anyway, so it's not really stealing" is just bullshit. If you 'wouldn't use it anyway' - then DON'T USE IT.

Obviously, you do WANT to use it, so by stealing a copy instead of buying it, you are a thief and contributing to the layoff cycle IT companies continue to go through.

Sorry, but software piracy is probably much worse than stealing hardware, as it is so much higher volume.

I don't agree with his position, but I *DO* have legal copies of everything I have on my PC, and all my MP3s are strictly backups of my fairly massive CD collection.

Anyone else out there with illegal MP3s or illegal stolen software have absolutely no right to criticize this guy for stealing hardware - you're a much worse thief than him!
I didn't want to get into this, I just wanted to use his stupid example to stomp him with it. Theft is always a bad thing.

I actually do think RIAA isn't getting the point (screwing your customers over is generally not a good idea) and to a certain extent so is Microsoft (ditto; it's just that they tend to hassle their OEMs more than direct customers).

anyway, enough of this.
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Where are the pics???

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Nobody feels like they are ripping microsoft or the music industry off cause they microsoft and the music industry have been ripping us off for years.

Each CD manufactued and burnt costs &1.50 to the Music Publisers, but we pay $5-6 more for CD's over audio cassetes. Basiclly, we are stealing from theives.
I'm a musician and i'm rather disturbed by your comments. You obviously have no idea what it takes to produce a CD. your comments on the subject are very false so please don't spread this bs when you have no clue.
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Where are the pics???

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Looks like they have been removed. The website or person is feeling the wrath of ATi.

I bet you that was NDA stuff.
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No sh!t.
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I'm a musician and i'm rather disturbed by your comments. You obviously have no idea what it takes to produce a CD. your comments on the subject are very false so please don't spread this bs when you have no clue.
whats the name of your group? i wanna see if i can grab a few songs off kazaa...

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you obviously dont know how it feels to be someone like dr. dre or metallica..Being on top for a decade, watching other artists in the same genre come and go while you stay on top.. getting so rich you dont know what to do with your money.. getting so rich you basically own you publisher and/or make your own production company.. then to have some punk kid download one of your crappier CDs from kazaa..

i bet its hard as hell for metallica or dr dre to produce a CD.. i bet they spend months depressed over the fact that noone will produce it.. i bet they sell all the stuff they own just so they can make the money to put out that CD they had spent so long making (about 3 days?)..

damn.. dunno how artists can live.. so underpayed and to add to it they have people DOWNLOADING THEIR MUSIC FOR FREE .. Their CDs that cost $200 and 3 days in a studio to put out.. the same CDs that cost consumers 3x's as much as it costs to buy and own a video tape of a multi-million dollar movie that took 3 years and over 100s of people to make..

same goes for software devs that charge $50-$1000 for a program that could be made by 3 people and the cost of a couple of 12-packs of beer.. (photoshop 6 to 7 was soooooo worth the money )

ok anyways..
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Well the new design seems a bit longer, which sux for me cuz I have a heatsink on a modded ic in the way that will need to be trimmed in height( 9700/8500 have no issue with this sink- Ti cards could not exist as it is in my puter)...
I also am hoping they made the card more efficient, as just a mere clock speed increase will be useless considering the 9700p can do 440-500+ with good-great cooling and vmods.... I would like to be able to get the mem higher, as that would help greatly... most I was able to get mine was a little over 360 with sinks ( must've been a dog) and vmod.

Heres to hoping.......
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Well, I'm a musician too... not all experience great success, make millions, and live on easy street. Many get caught up in contract details, funding for concerts, costs for studio use, etc, etc, and find themselves with very little at the end of the day.

However, I couldn't care less. I am a niche musician, writing mostly ambient orchestral electronic styles, and I honestly don't see "musician" as a useful career anyway. Sure, it makes some folks happy to listen to your compositions, but so what? That's why I work as a veterinarian, and I write music in my little spare time, and make MP3's of them, distribute them for free. I've been commissioned to write a couple of pieces, and been paid on a time basis for how long it took to write the piece. Otherwise, I make my living in a job where I actually do something useful.

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whats the name of your group? i wanna see if i can grab a few songs off kazaa...


you obviously dont know how it feels to be someone like dr. dre or metallica..Being on top for a decade, watching other artists in the same genre come and go while you stay on top.. getting so rich you dont know what to do with your money.. getting so rich you basically own you publisher and/or make your own production company.. then to have some punk kid download one of your crappier CDs from kazaa..

i bet its hard as hell for metallica or dr dre to produce a CD.. i bet they spend months depressed over the fact that noone will produce it.. i bet they sell all the stuff they own just so they can make the money to put out that CD they had spent so long making (about 3 days?)..

damn.. dunno how artists can live.. so underpayed and to add to it they have people DOWNLOADING THEIR MUSIC FOR FREE .. Their CDs that cost $200 and 3 days in a studio to put out.. the same CDs that cost consumers 3x's as much as it costs to buy and own a video tape of a multi-million dollar movie that took 3 years and over 100s of people to make..

same goes for software devs that charge $50-$1000 for a program that could be made by 3 people and the cost of a couple of 12-packs of beer.. (photoshop 6 to 7 was soooooo worth the money )

ok anyways..
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Their CDs that cost $200 and 3 days in a studio to put out..

same goes for software devs that charge $50-$1000 for a program that could be made by 3 people and the cost of a couple of 12-packs of beer.. (photoshop 6 to 7 was soooooo worth the money )
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa...sigh...Thanks for the laugh, i was stuck in a boring meeitng for hte past 5 1/2 hours.

You are obviosuly quite clueless.
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