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Old Jan 5, 2018, 01:39 PM   #91
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 02:53 PM   #92
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Just installed the update today. Because it's weird cause last night, I just tried to ran Windows Update and still not received till now. I also re-benchmark CPU-Z and Cinebench....single threaded performance on CPU-Z was about only 10 score dropped but multi-threaded makes no difference. Cinebench makes no differences on both SP/MP. But i think it might affect I/O benchmarks...but I don't believe it would affect Ryzens, but it definitely would affect Intel I/O benchmarks.
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Apple's statement today is that iOS and MacOS are already patched for "Meltdown" and have been for a while so long as you're doing all your updates. I think 10.13.2 came out early last month. The "Spectre" update is coming and will bring a performance hit of "less than 2.5%" in their tests.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 07:19 PM   #94
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I'm not touching it and there is no reason for me to touch it. I have nothing to steal. lol
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Why is Microsoft patching Ryzen systems when AMD isn't affected by Meltdown and is only affected by Spectre in a very specific configuration on Linux? If I were on an AMD system i'd be pretty pissed about that.
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Old Jan 5, 2018, 07:39 PM   #96
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I haven't gotten pushed the update at all.
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Turn off my AV to receive the Intel virus on my ryzen and threadripper I think i'll pass
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4k workloads take a significant hit

Gaming seems ok *phew*
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Gaming seems ok *phew*
KAC is saved ...
Otherwise he would have to take an apocalyptic decision to go with AMD ... That would have been the biggest sin of his life ...
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Is this the biggest IT security flaw in history?
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Pretty much everything besides gaming takes a mild to significant hit.
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“Negligible” against original estimates of 30%. So long as gaming is untouched.
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Is this the biggest IT security flaw in history?
Without a doubt - I hope Intel loses mega market share so we have a more competitive CPU market.

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“Negligible” against original estimates of 30%. So long as gaming is untouched.
Some IO operations are in the region of -30%, but not in tasks that you or I need worry about.
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“Negligible” against original estimates of 30%. So long as gaming is untouched.

The 30% was estimated for datacenter centric tests and not gaming...This bug came from a corporate internal testing and not from an angry gamer.If the bug afected gaming too there was already a big anger unless of course one expects that the performance in gaming should have been 30% over the current performance of coffee lake...
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Well ****, I'm on ESXi and considering a new server. Has Intel responded to the IME hack yet? TR is looking more interesting every day now.
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I didn't see the fix in Windows Update on Windows 7, so I had to manually go into my Avira anti-virus software, update it, and then re-check Windows Update to see the January security role-up (KB4056894). The January security role-up patch includes the meltdown fix.

Just wanted to share in case anyone else hits the same snag.
If it's part of a rollup, does that mean I can't block it without blocking other unrelated security updates? I imagine I won't bother blocking, even on the AMD machine, I'm just curious....
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SOrt of gaming related, while not directly affecting individual gamers (PCs), this appears to had a significant impact on hosted gaming servers:

https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/f...ability-update

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This patch is out already? I just tried checking Windows Updates and it says I'm up to date (last patch installed was 12/17)
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We don't know the full impact until bios updates are out fixing the hardware side of it. The current windows/linux update is only a partial software fix.
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SOrt of gaming related, while not directly affecting individual gamers (PCs), this appears to had a significant impact on hosted gaming servers:

https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/f...ability-update

Multiplayer gaming ... Gamers after all will get angry indirectly ... It may be a challenge to compensate for the patches performance hit for cloud services now.
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Are people here really building 6,8 and 12 core machines just to game?
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Are people here really building 6,8 and 12 core machines just to game?
Ummm yes... I have an 8 core.
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That's Intel and AMD mainstream now.
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I got a 3930k 6 core in November of 2011

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Yep 2 8 cores here. 8350 from 2015 and 1700x last year. I see cpu usage on all cores in most games.
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Samsung Magician results before and after the patch.

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sequential (MB/s)
Read - 3,342
Write - 1,983

Random (IOPS)
Read - 285,876
Write - 230,443

Post patch
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Read - 2,435
Write - 1,825

Random (IOPS)
Read - 148,129
Write - 131,629

I removed the patches and the performance stayed at post patch levels.
I have a Ryzen 1800X with a Samsung 960 pro running on pci-e gen 3 x 4
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