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Old Aug 30, 2008, 09:22 PM   #1
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This really makes sense to me, to microsoft i'm unsure, be it technically or for a financial control basis, but why do I need vista or xp to run games ?

Why can we not have an option when we use vista to actually dual boot up in a minimum resources gaming OS. All you need is file access, some internet and direct X, and an xbox 360 new dashboard like OS (ok maybe a bit more for installing Mods and editing configuration files) but well you get the general idea. This would make PC gaming more accessible I feel to many people, while also allowing greater resource access.

All the pieces are already in place to basically allow a PC to operate in a more console centric manner. Of course there are some here that like to play games while IRCing and watching I dunno .... Stargate Atlantis.

And of course there would be some here that hate me for suggesting such a thing.

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Old Aug 30, 2008, 09:24 PM   #2
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Nope. then why even have a PC? might as well buy a console.
Operating systems with the full thing are what make PC's different from Consoles IMO besides being able to change hardware etc and being much much more enjoyable
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I would have no problem if there was an optimised OS that was designed specifically with games in mind, but the way I use my computer it wouldn't really make me enjoy things more if I had to reboot into 'gaming mode' everytime I wanted to play a game with decent FPS.

Now, an OS that automatically put non essential resources in stasis while I game, that I would be interested in.
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Old Aug 30, 2008, 09:54 PM   #4
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Now, an OS that automatically put non essential resources in stasis while I game, that I would be interested in.
That OS would be Windows Vista.
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That OS would be Windows Vista.
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Old Aug 31, 2008, 12:15 AM   #7
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I think what he means is something like nlite but even lighter. Basically vista stripped naked with a low resource gui catered towards launching games. This could be made in some kind of mode in vista like a "game mode" and it could be launched via an entry option during boot up or inside vista.
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I think what he means is something like nlite but even lighter. Basically vista stripped naked with a low resource gui catered towards launching games. This could be made in some kind of mode in vista like a "game mode" and it could be launched via an entry option during boot up or inside vista.
Again, Vista unloads most of itself from memory when a game demands it.

Also, I would much rather have a full functioning OS an ALT-TAB away, than turning my PC into a console in order to gain that extra 1 FPS.
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Many times I am forces to minimize games to answer an IM, look at an email, see what's due in class the next day, etc.

I have a PS3 that has a dedicated gaming OS.
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Another idea might be to expand the games folder idea in VISTA into more of a "Media Center" like app that puts "explorer" into an even more shut down/disabled state than it currently does. That way you wouldn't loose any functionality while gaining pretty much exactly what your asking for
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I think they are working on it. Not a gaming OS but a low resources mode in the OS for games.

They have been talking about it before vista got released we will see with Windows 7.
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Your OS uses very little CPU to run at idle, ram is dynamically managed for games. Don't expect huge performance improvements... Games are GPU limited and the OS taxes the GPU the least out of any component.
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Your OS uses very little CPU to run at idle, ram is dynamically managed for games.
Indeed. I fail to see the point of a dedicated gaming OS with Windows idling at <1% CPU usage (and you got a quadcore).

Which additional resources exactly would the dedicated system give? Would the dedicated system give me a new HD4870x2?!?!?!
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I think such an OS as the OP explained already exists in say the XBox 360. The reason a PC would not have such a system is exactly the fact it is a PC. Computers are designed to do MANY things and to create an OS that makes it do essencially one thing well is to diminish the entire PC to a game box.
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Is that to run Crysis or what? I mean common all game run well(almost almost) on any decent pc(600$ and up) Whats the problem are you the kind of guys that dont put any shortcut on his desktop to not "tax" your pc oh yeah and no Wallpapers eitheir this will bog down windows....
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pretty sure i remember seeing one of those custom OS things out in the intarweb designed for gaming, i know i read about it here, cant remember the name of it tho.
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i do this still, its a habit i acquired when i had an 800mhz celeron laptop with a atirage 2 4mb card i had to play mafia on it lol
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This really makes sense to me, to microsoft i'm unsure, be it technically or for a financial control basis, but why do I need vista or xp to run games ?

Why can we not have an option when we use vista to actually dual boot up in a minimum resources gaming OS. All you need is file access, some internet and direct X, and an xbox 360 new dashboard like OS (ok maybe a bit more for installing Mods and editing configuration files) but well you get the general idea. This would make PC gaming more accessible I feel to many people, while also allowing greater resource access.

All the pieces are already in place to basically allow a PC to operate in a more console centric manner. Of course there are some here that like to play games while IRCing and watching I dunno .... Stargate Atlantis.

And of course there would be some here that hate me for suggesting such a thing.

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Start->Run->MsConfig->Diagnostic Startup.
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Start your graphics driver service, your sound card service and away you go.
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Start->Run->MsConfig->Diagnostic Startup.
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Start->Run->services.msc
Start your graphics driver service, your sound card service and away you go.
actually for complete offline/online gaming you need these, not every game will function properly with just those 2

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An alternative you make a batch file to stop all non essential services prior to launching the game. Maybe also turn off the gui. Then another batch file to turn them on when your done.
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Why not nlite your required OS, then boot straight into Hyperspin ?

http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/index.php?pageid=previews

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I have yet to be starved for performance on Vista. The games that don't play well on my computer are because of lack of hardware power, not because I have so much stuff running in the background. The days of gimping your OS to gain a performance increase are over (as we knew it anyway). I remember downloading utilities that would shut down all unecessary applications in 98 (fix em all, or something like that). But I just don't think it's needed anymore.

I mean, I just don't see the benefit of running XP or Vista with only the bare bones enabled to gain an extra 5 FPS as worth it. I mean, lets face it, you aren't going to see as huge an increase as upgrading your hardware would bring.
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For me it's not so much the increase in fps (usually only around 5 ish for me), it's the increase in stability and decrease in stuttering.
I tried playing Most Wanted again with normal stuff loaded and yeah it stutters and stops randomly. At one point when I'm going through a tunnel it actually stops for about 5 seconds, but comes back all of a sudden.
When I did the basic services, that stuttering went away. Now I'm not sure which one it is that is causing that problem, but 99% of the time I don't need flexnet service and remote desktop and all those other services running all the time.
If I need photoshop, I'll start the licensing service myself, same for a few others. And Apple's services I never use but come on every time I plug my ipod mini into my computer, so I just disable them, I just want to charge the battery anyways.
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I use to be a believer in a gaming os. Sure having more resources would be better, but it would be a pain in the ass to keep switching between OSes. Not to mention many of us like to multi-task.
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I remember the old days when killing every unnecessary thing was essential. These days the only things I need to kill is BOINC and my Weather app. Antivirus, Fiewall, and many other things continue running in the background. Hell, I don't even bother Overclocking anymore, it just is not necessary.
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i remember playing gta 3 on a matrox g400, i installed a second windows 2000, stripped down using nlite, shut down all the services, the game went from slideshow to playable, on a PIII500, not quite sure why it worked so well but it did, on my ex's laptop i did it too, a P4 2ghz had a mini xp boot up, and games were much smoother on that, surprising the difference it can make on a lower spec pc...
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