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Old Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 AM   #31
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Old Sep 22, 2019, 12:10 PM   #32
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Quick update:. I said I expected to lose 30 pounds in 60 days. I'm currently on day 54, and I'm down 28 pounds. We'll see if I can drop 2 more by Thursday. Wish me luck!
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Quick update:. I said I expected to lose 30 pounds in 60 days. I'm currently on day 54, and I'm down 28 pounds. We'll see if I can drop 2 more by Thursday. Wish me luck!
sweet, i got a double big mac combo(large sized of course) here for you

whats your target at?
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Quick update:. I said I expected to lose 30 pounds in 60 days. I'm currently on day 54, and I'm down 28 pounds. We'll see if I can drop 2 more by Thursday. Wish me luck!
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Regarding diets, as the husband of a registered dietitian (not a nutritionist which is a made up title btw, if you ever are offered advice from one), diets don't work. At all. Period. Why? Because they are unsustainable. You can't cut out this or that for the rest of your life. Moderation and changing your attitude towards certain foods is all that works. Also, losing weight is 70-80% food and 20-30% gym. Good luck!
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sweet, i got a double big mac combo(large sized of course) here for you

whats your target at?
I'm at 278 now, and target is about 200, so I've got 80 pounds to go. Honestly though, the biggest benefits will arrive once I get down to about 250.
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I'm at 278 now, and target is about 200, so I've got 80 pounds to go. Honestly though, the biggest benefits will arrive once I get down to about 250.
How tall are you?

Also, congratulations on your progress thus far.
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How tall are you?

Also, congratulations on your progress thus far.
5'10", maybe 5'11" on a good day.

I know 200 sounds heavy, but I've always been heavier than I appear. Even in high school, when I was very thin, I was still 180. Here's some historical pics of me, which will give you a sense of why I think my ideal weight is 200 pounds.


Here's me 8 years ago, at ~230 pounds:



Here's me at ~210 pounds:




Here's me in high school, ~180 pounds. I don't expect to ever get down to this weight again.



And just for reference, this is me at ~280, which is my current weight:
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Jezus ****ing christ people how ****ing hard is this ?
IT"S NOT.

Just count calories ... You're eating more than you need so you get fat. The "TYPE" of calories or what they come from don't mean sh^t. You can eat apples all day and still become fat.

Just eat ... LESS, you fat ****s.

Man i'm sorry for the harsness but ****ign hell it's not rocket science. You can still eat bread for ****'s sake.
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LESS .
All it takes is a TINY BIT OF ****ING SELF RESTRAINT.

You don't need to eat untill you literally can't fit anymore in to your stomach you know. Fat people always think that with every meal they should be so full they gag or something... jezus christ.

I'm sorry this makes me so mad but it's always the same.
This woman @ work, complaining about her weight.
"But i always eat healthy" ...
The portions are ****ING ENORMOUS THOUGH and i look at her and think , how can people be so stupid ?!
Don't you see there's literally 3x the amount of food on your plate than of any of your colleages ?!


Yes, at first you might feel a little pekkish every now and then. Well if you can't deal with that than just keep eating untill you burst , i have no sympathy for people who can't deal with feeling pekkish.
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You're right my post above is out of line.

I just don't get all these weird diets.
You could eat pizza exclusively and still lose weight if you wanted to.
Just eat LESS FOOD.
You're just going to have to accept the fact that you're going to feel a little hungry at first when you cut your calories to say 2000 kcal.
It's unavoidable but good. You want your stomach to become smaller.

And the hunger feeling doesn't last long. Your stomach will adapt and become smaller quickly.

What i also don't understand is how people think that after dieting, they can just start eating like they used to and expect not to become fat again ?!

It boggles the mind.
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Jezus ****ing christ people how ****ing hard is this ?
IT"S NOT.

Just count calories ... You're eating more than you need so you get fat. The "TYPE" of calories or what they come from don't mean sh^t. You can eat apples all day and still become fat.

Just eat ... LESS, you fat ****s.

Man i'm sorry for the harsness but ****ign hell it's not rocket science. You can still eat bread for ****'s sake.
JUST .
EAT.
LESS .
All it takes is a TINY BIT OF ****ING SELF RESTRAINT.

You don't need to eat untill you literally can't fit anymore in to your stomach you know. Fat people always think that with every meal they should be so full they gag or something... jezus christ.

I'm sorry this makes me so mad but it's always the same.
This woman @ work, complaining about her weight.
"But i always eat healthy" ...
The portions are ****ING ENORMOUS THOUGH and i look at her and think , how can people be so stupid ?!
Don't you see there's literally 3x the amount of food on your plate than of any of your colleages ?!


Yes, at first you might feel a little pekkish every now and then. Well if you can't deal with that than just keep eating untill you burst , i have no sympathy for people who can't deal with feeling pekkish.



The best thing I've ever heard about "calories in, calories out":

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Imagine that you asked someone how Bill Gates became the wealthiest man on Earth, and they responded "He earned more money than he spent!"

Or imagine that you asked a friend how a sports team won the championship, and they responded "They scored more points than the lost!"
Sure, these answers are technically true, but also about the dumbest and least useful possible answers that can be offered. It ignores all of the nuance, strategy, etc. that you're really looking for when you ask such questions.

Sure, at the end of the day, it's about eating fewer calories than you burn. However, that ignores EVERYTHING that's important about appetite, energy levels, hormones, will power, habits, etc.

At the end of the day, it really comes down to results. I know very few people who have successfully lost weight on "calories in, calories out", and many who have lost weight through strategic lifestyle changes, educating themselves on physiology & psychology, and being strategic about their diet & exercise.
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You're right my post above is out of line.

I just don't get all these weird diets.
You could eat pizza exclusively and still lose weight if you wanted to.
Just eat LESS FOOD.
You're just going to have to accept the fact that you're going to feel a little hungry at first when you cut your calories to say 2000 kcal.
It's unavoidable but good. You want your stomach to become smaller.

And the hunger feeling doesn't last long. Your stomach will adapt and become smaller quickly.

What i also don't understand is how people think that after dieting, they can just start eating like they used to and expect not to become fat again ?!

It boggles the mind.

That's because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.


Early in the year I had a serious lung infection and my doc put me on oral steroids that dramatically increased my appetite. It went way beyond "gee my stomach is growling", and went into the "I'm starving and I have to eat everything I see" territory. Free will goes out the window when your body tells you that you have to eat.

One of the benefits of the low-carb diet I've been practicing is that it dramatically reduces that appetite. Is it that I've been magically gifted greater free will? Or is it that appetite is actually regulated by hormones like insulin, and eating the right diet to get that under control allows me to better control my eating? Your explanation would definitely lead to the dumber of the two possible answers.

btw, I gained 25 pounds during the time I was taking the steroids. I've now lost all of that weight and more, and I plan to continue permanently. My success is due to strategy, not will power.
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Sugar and Soda even Diet Soda cut down on all sweet things as much as you can it is addictive and takes days to stop craving the sh*t after one candy bar

and exercise more

i'm 6 foot and down to 175 lbs from 225 lbs

I would like to get to 165 what I was till about 15 years ago
been to busy with work to ride the bike much this summer getting back on it now
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5'10", maybe 5'11" on a good day.

I know 200 sounds heavy, but I've always been heavier than I appear. Even in high school, when I was very thin, I was still 180. Here's some historical pics of me, which will give you a sense of why I think my ideal weight is 200 pounds.


Here's me 8 years ago, at ~230 pounds:
https://i.imgur.com/HnPC1nw.jpg


Here's me at ~210 pounds:
https://i.imgur.com/4qL0rAK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ll6axGP.jpg


Here's me in high school, ~180 pounds. I don't expect to ever get down to this weight again.
https://i.imgur.com/Yo4BjBd.jpg


And just for reference, this is me at ~280, which is my current weight:
https://i.imgur.com/pHqnETw.jpg
Even at your heaviest, you look as though you carry the weight really well (I cannot tell how you feel on the inside, though). I am 5' 8", and with my frame, I would be ready for the morgue before I even hit 200 lb.

I am 170 lb. now, and even that really feels like a lot. I am trying to get down to 150 lb.
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You're right my post above is out of line.

I just don't get all these weird diets.
You could eat pizza exclusively and still lose weight if you wanted to.
Just eat LESS FOOD.
You're just going to have to accept the fact that you're going to feel a little hungry at first when you cut your calories to say 2000 kcal.
It's unavoidable but good. You want your stomach to become smaller.

And the hunger feeling doesn't last long. Your stomach will adapt and become smaller quickly.

What i also don't understand is how people think that after dieting, they can just start eating like they used to and expect not to become fat again ?!

It boggles the mind.
Your stomach getting smaller if you eat less is totally inaccurate. Your appetite will change over time as you eat less. Making you feel full with less.
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"We were really surprised when the energy expenditure among the Hadza was no higher than it is for people in the US and Europe," says Pontzer, who published the findings in 2012 in the journal PLOS One. While the hunter-gatherers were physically active and lean, they actually burned the same amount of calories every day as the average American or European, even after the researchers controlled for body size.

Pontzer's study was preliminary and imperfect. It involved only 30 participants from one small community.

But it raised a tantalizing question: How could the hunting, foraging Hadza possibly burn the same amount of energy as indolent Westerners?


It's not calories-in, calories-out. Never has been. You can say something, over and over again, but that doesn't make it true.

With a juice fast in 2012-2013, I went down from 240 to 194, but I was seriously lacking in many minerals and nutrients, I just didn't know any better.

Honeymoon I went from 207 (married weight in 2013) to 215 in about 10 days (fresh-baked midnight cookies will do that to you).

I kept going until I hit 240 in 2014-2015, but I started trying to alter my diet from then on until 2018 when I hit a wall at around 215. I felt terrible and I didn't know why. I went to a naturopath who tested me for hundreds of food allergies, including GMO and non-GMO varieties of the same foods. Turns out I was eating many foods I was allergic to, which didn't help with inflammation and energy levels.

From April 2018 until January of 2019 (this year), I went from 215 to 180 on a accidentally-KETO diet. I stayed away from all grains (turns out I'm allergic to most of them, except non-GMO corn and gluten-free oats), but since I had candida overgrowth, I had to stay away from carbs until the candida settled back down into balance.

I've remained on a mostly KETO regimen WITHOUT EXERCISE the entire time....

I'm currently holding steady around 174-176 trying to build muscle....

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The Science of Why Caloric Restriction Fails

Instead of a simple calories in, calories out model where fat is deposited according to an excessive intake of calories, it appears that the body responds to excess calories by trying to burn them off!


We feel that we have failed ourselves. We think that it is our fault. Our doctors, dietitians, and other medical professionals silently criticize us for ‘failing’. Others silently believe we have no ‘willpower’, and offer meaningless platitudes. Sound familiar? Yeah, I thought so.

But in truth, the failing was not ours. The portion control diet is virtually guaranteed to fail. It has been proven over and over in the last 100 years. The only reason we think that it works is because everybody — the doctors, the dietitians, the ‘scientists’, the media — have convinced us that it is all about calories. No, the failing is with our nutritional authorities.

Clearly, something is causing us to gain weight, but calories sure don’t look like the problem or the solution here. What is that problem? What is the etiology of obesity? What causes fat gain?
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8) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9) Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
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The Science of Why Caloric Restriction Fails

Instead of a simple calories in, calories out model where fat is deposited according to an excessive intake of calories, it appears that the body responds to excess calories by trying to burn them off!


We feel that we have failed ourselves. We think that it is our fault. Our doctors, dietitians, and other medical professionals silently criticize us for ‘failing’. Others silently believe we have no ‘willpower’, and offer meaningless platitudes. Sound familiar? Yeah, I thought so.

But in truth, the failing was not ours. The portion control diet is virtually guaranteed to fail. It has been proven over and over in the last 100 years. The only reason we think that it works is because everybody — the doctors, the dietitians, the ‘scientists’, the media — have convinced us that it is all about calories. No, the failing is with our nutritional authorities.

Clearly, something is causing us to gain weight, but calories sure don’t look like the problem or the solution here. What is that problem? What is the etiology of obesity? What causes fat gain?


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Obsessive thoughts of food. Binge behavior. Extreme depression. Severe emotional distress. Irritability. Loss of libido. Interest in everything other than food vanished. Social withdrawal and isolation. Several subjects became, frankly, neurotic. One patient reportedly amputated 3 fingers with an axe in an act of self-mutilation. Anyway, I’m sure you are beginning to get the picture.
Excellent article bro. :P
So uhm, no matter how fat i am, i can't lower my calories because if i ever get hungry i'm going to cut of my fingers with an axe .
Wow, i had no idea.

Because for me, whenever i feel i need to lose some fat % , i just eat 1500-2000 kcal a day . And presto, 6 month later i'm ****ing shredded ?
Weird, i still have all my fingers , and in fact i don't even feel bad when dieting ? Except for the first 2 days maybe.

I think it's just excuses people . You fatties are just terrified of feeling a slightly hungry for a second, and just can't control yourself and start eating untill you explode :d .



How did you get fat ?
- By eating too much calories.
How do you get thinner ?
- By eating LESS CALORIES ?

Nah man, eat MORE calories cause your body will "attempt to burn them off"!

Again, solid advice, great article.
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Because for me, whenever i feel i need to lose some fat % , i just eat 1500-2000 kcal a day . And presto, 6 month later i'm ****ing shredded ?
Weird, i still have all my fingers , and in fact i don't even feel bad when dieting ? Except for the first 2 days maybe.
I can see that you've bases your conclusions on your clinical experiment that used a sample size of 1. Actually I expect that many things and athletic people will agree with you.

However, not everyone is the same, and many people's bodies behave differently than yours. I challenge you to present any study that shows that a majority of overweight humans can lose weight and keep it off long-term by your methods alone.
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They would reduce weight if they cut their calories and carb intake. The problem is that most people don’t have the self-control or willpower to do it consistently long-term.

What I’ve come to realize is that carbs are a bigger factor than straight caloric intake. Some bodies have extreme reactions to carbs (like me, which cause me to bloat and gain weight like crazy) while others can do high-carb diets and it’s fine. I can do lower caloric intake while eating high-carb and I’ll gain weight all day long.

For many people, I think reducing sugar intake (carbs) is the largest and quickest way to lose weight. The problem with that long-term is that sugar is pretty addictive. It might not be a drug but you can most certainly have an addiction for it and when you don’t have it, end up with some serious cravings. Once you kick sugar and get used to a low sugar/carb diet, you tend to find everything very sugary in taste.

I cut sugar out in certain areas like coffee and it made a big difference in how I felt. My weight is pretty much always in the 180-185 area at 6’2”. When I eat heavily to bulk up, I turn to carbs, not just calories.
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I've cut down to one meal a day. It's not hard for me because a large portion of my life the hours that I worked only left me time to grab one meal. When I started working for the court system that's all they wanted to do was eat. And I really put on the weight. Since I retired I've gone back to one meal a day and then not a large one because I'm not really hungry. I've lost over 45 lbs.
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Oh, cut him some slack. He's doing the best he can with 20 years out-of-date information.
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I've cut down to one meal a day. It's not hard for me because a large portion of my life the hours that I worked only left me time to grab one meal. When I started working for the court system that's all they wanted to do was eat. And I really put on the weight. Since I retired I've gone back to one meal a day and then not a large one because I'm not really hungry. I've lost over 45 lbs.
I'm actually trying to get to OMAD myself. I seem to do best eating after a nice workout. Eggs, bacon, onions, fresh greens, and tea with a few scoops of collagen powder and coconut milk. Fills me up with maximum insulin sensitivity.
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8) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9) Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
Like 12Bass says, critical thinking and the scientific method are probably the best tools we have to avoid it. (bias)

However, this method relies on repeatable, falsifiable hypotheses and theories. Only an extremely small spectrum of time and space can be rendered into these, or at least a good approximation of such.

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I've gotten down to 2 meals per day, prolly 5 days per week. I start my eating window at noon, and typically close it down before 8pm. It's been remarkably easy, in conjunction with a low-carb diet, as I don't feel hungry very often anyway. At some point I may experiment with omad or maybe try a 3 day fast.
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Effects of eight weeks of time-restricted feeding (16/8) on basal metabolism, maximal strength, body composition, inflammation, and cardiovascular risk factors in resistance-trained males

Our results suggest that an intermittent fasting program in which all calories are consumed in an 8-h window each day, in conjunction with resistance training, could improve some health-related biomarkers, decrease fat mass, and maintain muscle mass in resistance-trained males.




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8) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9) Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
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Do you sit at a desk all day? I can sorta eat like a bird if i do nothing all day but a work day im like a starving refugee if i miss a meal.
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