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Old Nov 26, 2018, 12:25 PM   #31
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Far from dead, and VR hasn't failed.
So what would you call the state of VR?

Last I saw the combined sales of Oculus and VIVE (lifetime) weren't even a million units, I think they barely got 500k in a few years. PSVR fared a bit better, shipping 3 million units in 2 years (with 30 million PS4 units being sold during the same period of time).

Facebook is currently dumping Oculus at a loss just to clear out inventory - that's how fabulous a success it has been.
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 12:34 PM   #32
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It would be nice if they released some REAL games for it though.

Well, games that weren't modified from existing games (Doom, Skyrim, etc).
This is where PSVR excels, they have created some nice games just recently released but of course PSVR only.
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 12:40 PM   #33
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If VR was just cheaper...

And PC gaming Forever. Well my backlog will take forever x 2 to complete.
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Say one would only be interested in VR sex, is it worth the cost yet?
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 01:26 PM   #35
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If VR was just cheaper...
This..

It's not just the headsets, but it takes some fairly decent PC power to be able to deliver VR to those headsets. Most people don't want to pay for that at this stage. As PC/console hardware catches up to being able to deliver a good VR experience, it will be more mainstream but we still have a while to go.
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 01:29 PM   #36
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I wouldn't say VR failed. It's what I spend 90% of my gaming time playing. Pancake games just don't quite do it for me anymore.
What do you play in VR to spend 90% of your time on it? The alternative is that you only play like 1-2 hrs a week.
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 01:43 PM   #37
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most of my game time is in VR too.
DCS is amazing in VR. Also Beat Saber, Archery, Elite Dangerous, Golf...
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 02:41 PM   #38
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The one major thing PC gaming really lacks in this day and age is a "premier" PC-first developer.

id Software mostly focuses on multiplatform stuff just like everyone else.

Valve barely makes games anymore.

Crytek shifted towards a multiplatform focus after Crysis and Crysis: Warhead.

CD Projekt went multiplatform after the original The Witcher.

Blizzard went multiplatform right around Diablo 3/Overwatch.

Even Firaxis has begun shifting towards multiplatform development with games like XCOM 1/2; not to mention, Civilization VI very recently came out for the Switch.

Once upon a time, PC had numerous powerhouse developers that built groundbreaking games specifically for it. Those games leveraged all of the PC's power, giving us insane graphics, PC-first controls and interfaces, mod support, and more.

Those days seem to be long gone.
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Old Nov 26, 2018, 02:49 PM   #39
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Yep it's dead, just like the last 10 times it died.
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Personally I have been out of PC gaming for quite a while now, I'd say past 2-3 years but I don't believe its dead. Just dead for me and I would say that's for modern gaming in general, PCs and consoles. Just got tired of the bullshit with the business aspects of the gaming industry taking precedence over traditional game design. Seems they always think of maximizing profit before fun. This could of course just be me getting older and having trouble adjusting to new trends in gaming but meh, I don't know I think newer games in general just kind of suck.
I started to feel the same way as you did, then I started to pay attention to the AA/Indie PC gaming, and realized that PC gaming where traditional game design is still very much a live and kicking.
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I started to feel the same way as you did, then I started to pay attention to the AA/Indie PC gaming, and realized that PC gaming where traditional game design is still very much a live and kicking.
Yeah man, most of the PC games I play now are indie/non-AAA stuff. I feel like the fact there's been such a surge in the indie and retro style games the past 5 years or so is because of the problems with the AAA games industry I eluded to, that and of course because its cheaper to develop them so its an obvious choice for an indie studio to pursue.

We are seriously lacking in "AA" type games though, compared to in years past. Seems now everything is either huge budget AAA or indie. The big game studios need to also be working on the mid tier type games that are more sustainable and don't require selling millions upon millions of units just to turn a profit.
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I haven't gamed on my PC in about 2 months. Been playing console games exclusively. God of War, Xenoblade 2, Xenoblade 2 Golden Country. I picked up Assassins Creed Odyssey, Dragon Quest Xi, and Resident Evil 7 for my PS4 Pro on black friday. I know full well they are multiplat titles, but it's just so nice to just plug in the game to the PS4 and just play. My PC is even right next to my 4k OLED TV and I have it hooked up - the problem is, is optimizing the settings so its 60fps locked all the time. one little judder and it pulls me right out of the game.
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What do you play in VR to spend 90% of your time on it? The alternative is that you only play like 1-2 hrs a week.
1-2 hours a week? I spent 3-4 hours yesterday alone playing Contractors, Pavlov and Onward. Multiplayer shooters are a heck of a lot more fun to me in VR than they are watching it on a screen.
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So what would you call the state of VR?

Last I saw the combined sales of Oculus and VIVE (lifetime) weren't even a million units, I think they barely got 500k in a few years. PSVR fared a bit better, shipping 3 million units in 2 years (with 30 million PS4 units being sold during the same period of time).

Facebook is currently dumping Oculus at a loss just to clear out inventory - that's how fabulous a success it has been.
I'd say it's still trying to get on its feet, and has a lot of room to grow yet. It may fail, it may not.
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Not feeling the PC gaming. Only 3 games I have played a lot on PC in past 2-3 months are:

1) Forza Horizon 4
2) Shadow of Tomb Raider
3) BFV early access

Everything else has been on the consoles and man it rocks. Spider man, Monster Hunter, BLOPS4, Ass Creed, RDR2, some Halo and Tomb Raider 2013 in the same time frame. Right now hooked on BLOPS4 and Ass Creed. Both are multi plats but BLOPS4 has servers on PS4 and Ass Creed controls and looks grand on big screen. Of course these games can look better on PC but the need is not there.
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We are seriously lacking in "AA" type games though, compared to in years past.
No we don't, there are plenty of AA games in steam across various genres, either you weren't looking hard enough or you didn't find what you liked, but it's there.
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2) Shadow of Tomb Raider
3) BFV early access

Everything else has been on the consoles and man it rocks. Spider man, Monster Hunter, BLOPS4, Ass Creed, RDR2, some Halo and Tomb Raider 2013 in the same time frame. Right now hooked on BLOPS4 and Ass Creed. Both are multi plats but BLOPS4 has servers on PS4 and Ass Creed controls and looks grand on big screen. Of course these games can look better on PC but the need is not there.
People like you aren't pc gamers, so don't spread FUD about it.
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No we don't, there are plenty of AA games in steam across various genres, either you weren't looking hard enough or you didn't find what you liked, but it's there.
I'm talking about from the current big game companies. It's all AAA or bust with them.
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No we don't, there are plenty of AA games in steam across various genres, either you weren't looking hard enough or you didn't find what you liked, but it's there.

People like you aren't pc gamers, so don't spread FUD about it.
Gay I was a PC gamer when I was making your mum conceive you. Stfu.
The only game worth talking about on PC other than crappy indie titles is Ass Creed. Everything else has been completely destroyed by Battle Royale nonsense or low sales of RTS games etc. Others are all console ports that run and play better on consoles.
On indie crap titles I have yet to see a good strategy, FPS, action adventure, adventure, role playing (with voice) or even decent play forming titles. All we get are souls like decent games that challenge you by artificially raising difficulty and calling it a great game experience.
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I'm talking about from the current big game companies. It's all AAA or bust with them.
Why does it even matter with where do they come from???
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Gay I was a PC gamer when I was making your mum conceive you. Stfu.
The only game worth talking about on PC other than crappy indie titles is Ass Creed. Everything else has been completely destroyed by Battle Royale nonsense or low sales of RTS games etc. Others are all console ports that run and play better on consoles.
On indie crap titles I have yet to see a good strategy, FPS, action adventure, adventure, role playing (with voice) or even decent play forming titles. All we get are souls like decent games that challenge you by artificially raising difficulty and calling it a great game experience.
Nope, everything you just said is only subjective and further prove how you aren't a pc gamer. I won't even bother to show you the games because it won't matter to your stance anyway.
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Why does it even matter with where do they come from???
Hmm, I'm thinking you need to read up on the game industry more before you can discuss this.
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On indie crap titles I have yet to see a good strategy, FPS, action adventure, adventure, role playing (with voice) or even decent play forming titles. All we get are souls like decent games that challenge you by artificially raising difficulty and calling it a great game experience.
To be fair its no secret you are notoriously ignorant about indie games. Just because a game doesn't have high production value doesn't mean its no good. In the end good games require good gameplay mechanics and that takes clever ideas, and not necessarily just high budgets.

Some great indie PC games that come to mind are:

Legend of Grimrock
Shovel Knight
Talos Principle
Hotline Miami 1 & 2
Salt and Sanctuary
The Messenger
Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon
Dex
Braid
Guacamelee!
This War of Mine
The Swapper
FEZ
Limbo
Super Meat Boy
Magicka
Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons
Trine
Cuphead
Amnesia The Dark Descent
SOMA
The Witness
Axiom Verge

I could keep going but you get the picture. And I think only one of those titles I listed is a Souls-like.
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Only games I looked forward to were another Crysis and the rest of Half-Life.
Both franchises are dead. I'm retiring my GTX1080 system and replacing it with a Intel/AMD NUC.

So... PC gaming is dead to me.
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Just because a game doesn't have high production value doesn't mean its no good. In the end good games require good gameplay mechanics and that takes clever ideas, and not necessarily just high budgets.
You had me at this.

That said, with what I play these days I would also be super happy with a PS4 pro alone. I'm not even looking at upgrading my aging PC, no need.
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Old Nov 27, 2018, 10:14 AM   #57
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I think this discussion boils down to lack of "PC only" big name game titles, in which I agree it seems they are lacking. Most notable games are multi-platform these days and the quality of experience on console vs PC is reaching parity. This has been happening ever since developers started gimping the PC versions of their games to match the console versions, for various development resource saving purposes, as well as marketing reasons.

To me, I still think there's plenty of reasons for gaming on PC over consoles. Sure, it might not be as convenient or affordable but things like settings customization, modding, infinite backwards compatibility with previous generations of games, and better deals to name a few.
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Some great indie PC games that come to mind are
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To be fair its no secret you are notoriously ignorant about indie games. Just because a game doesn't have high production value doesn't mean its no good. In the end good games require good gameplay mechanics and that takes clever ideas, and not necessarily just high budgets.

Some great indie PC games that come to mind are:

Legend of Grimrock - was ok got bored
Shovel Knight
Talos Principle - own it a couple of ok puzzles
Hotline Miami 1 & 2 - didn’t start
Salt and Sanctuary
The Messenger
Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon - I think I may have it but it wasn’t for me
Dex - was ok start level
Braid - finished it was decent
Guacamelee! - played a couple of levels got bored
This War of Mine - need to try
The Swapper - played a few levels was ok
FEZ - can eat my poop
Limbo - was ok finished it
Super Meat Boy - was ok got too difficult to engage me also my hands on keyboard were getting sore
Magicka - played a bit. Enjoyed for 2 hours or so but then gave up due to repetitive gameplay
Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons - got about 5 chapters in, was ok
Trine - was decent
Cuphead - need to try
Amnesia The Dark Descent - was ok for 2 hours
SOMA - finished it. Was painful to play through
The Witness - I think need to get
Axiom Verge - dunno what this is

I could keep going but you get the picture. And I think only one of those titles I listed is a Souls-like.
I have tried many indie titles. Own about 150+ of them until I gave up. Not a single game captured my interest in a meaningful way.
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VR is hardly dead; location-based VR is already expanding and we'll probably have wireless headsets for home/PC use within a few years. It'll probably blow up when that happens.

And that doesn't even count when AR/mixed reality comes around, which it will.
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