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Old May 8, 2004, 11:28 PM   #1
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I finally got an Xbox yesterday with KOTOR, PGR and Halo and now I'm looking for a rally racing game. So should I pay 60$ for Rallisport Challenge 2 or Colin McRae 4 is as good but for 30$???

I'm looking for realism, not arcade controls.
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PGR2 is basically PGR1 with better graphics and more tracks, oh and its wicked sick damage effects.
CMR4 is okay, not great but there is a little more realism to it, thats if you can stand the eyesore.
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PGR2 is basically PGR1 with better graphics and more tracks, oh and its wicked sick damage effects.
CMR4 is okay, not great but there is a little more realism to it, thats if you can stand the eyesore.
I'm talking about Rallisport Challenge 2, not PGR2.
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oops! My brain is all messed up currently. switch 'PGR' with 'RSC'.
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I'm gonna wait a couple of months and buy PGR2 used for like 20$

I DEFINITELY wanna race a Skyline down Stockholm.
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I finally got an Xbox yesterday with KOTOR, PGR and Halo and now I'm looking for a rally racing game. So should I pay 60$ for Rallisport Challenge 2 or Colin McRae 4 is as good but for 30$???

I'm looking for realism, not arcade controls.
I'd buy Rallisport Challenge 1 before I'd ever touch CMR4. It is a better game, IMO.

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I'd buy Rallisport Challenge 1 before I'd ever touch CMR4. It is a better game, IMO.
Yeah I'm probably gonna pay around 20$ for RSC1 and 30$ for Colin McRae 4, 50$... That's a good deal I think.
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Yeah I'm probably gonna pay around 20$ for RSC1 and 30$ for Colin McRae 4, 50$... That's a good deal I think.
You played CMR4 extensively on the Xbox? If not, you may want to play RC 1 a lot
first, then after you get used to that game, try CMR4 at the GameStop or something
for like 20 or 30 min and see how it compares.

I found that the feel and play of RC 1 just works better for my tastes than CMR4.
But $30 ain't too bad, and if you can afford it, you can buy it and still feel ok even
if you don't like it as much. Or you could rent it and see also.

Hope you enjoy your new console though - that is what matters most.

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Old May 9, 2004, 01:18 AM   #9
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You played CMR4 extensively on the Xbox? If not, you may want to play RC 1 a lot
first, then after you get used to that game, try CMR4 at the GameStop or something
for like 20 or 30 min and see how it compares.

I found that the feel and play of RC 1 just works better for my tastes than CMR4.
But $30 ain't too bad, and if you can afford it, you can buy it and still feel ok even
if you don't like it as much. Or you could rent it and see also.

Hope you enjoy your new console though - that is what matters most.
But what don't you like about CMR4? Too realistic?

Yeah right now I'm completely into KOTOR. I seriously thought the graphics were better than that but the game is simply awesome!
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But what don't you like about CMR4? Too realistic?
Problem for me is primarily one of control. I just can't get the feel
for the CMR4 controls. Unforgiving and twitchy, it seems to me.
Rallisport Challenge just "feels" easier to control. That's all.

Got to go with what feels right, after all, eh?

Again, have fun. I hear great things about some of the new games
out there. You could have a lot of fun for months to come.

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I'm gonna wait a couple of months and buy PGR2 used for like 20$

I DEFINITELY wanna race a Skyline down Stockholm.
erm, project gotham racing 2 is only $30 new right now, so a used copy at $20 isnt out of the ballpark.
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PGR2 is basically PGR1 with better graphics and more tracks, oh and its wicked sick damage effects.
CMR4 is okay, not great but there is a little more realism to it, thats if you can stand the eyesore.
PGR2 is almost nothing like the original game. It's far more realistic for one thing.

I would definitely pick CMR04 over RalliSport 2, but it depends whether you want an average arcade rally racer, or a really well done realistic rally racer.
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PGR2 has a heck of a lot more features as well, not only multiplayer Live but Live is integrated throughout the whole game.

Personally I couldn't stand the original Rallisport Challenge, the car seem to rotate on a pole in the middle rather than actually turn, I think CMR04 is the best rally game there is right now, it feels far more like a proper rally game than Rallisport Challenge.

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I have Project Gotham Racing 2, Rallisport Challenge 1 and 2 and I have Colin McRae 4. They are all good games.

There is nothing wrong with the way Colin Mcrae 4 looks but it can't hold a candle to Rallisport Challenge 2. I paid $30 Canadian for CMR4 and it's well worth it.

I don't really like the handling in RC1, I always fly way off the track. RC2 is much better but a little easy actually. PGR2 is hard for me because I'm such a crappy driver but I only really got into driving games a couple of months ago.

Buy CMR4 for $30, it's worth it.

However, if you want multiplayer, get RC2. The graphics are nuts and the gameplay is very good. Lots of tracks, weather, night time stuff, cars, you name it. New skins for cars. If you want to have a fun rally game, get RC2, you'll love it.
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I finally got an Xbox yesterday with KOTOR, PGR and Halo and now I'm looking for a rally racing game. So should I pay 60$ for Rallisport Challenge 2 or Colin McRae 4 is as good but for 30$???

I'm looking for realism, not arcade controls.
Congratulations on your new console purchase!

If you're unsure, just rent the 2 games and see which one(s) you would like to own.
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Colin McRae 4 is far more realistic than RSC and is the better game imo. RSC is more enjoyable multiplayer though with its more arcade style handling.
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erm, project gotham racing 2 is only $30 new right now,
Not in Canada.
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I picked up CMR4 for very little (pre-owned). From what little I've played it is the best rally SIM out there. I also intend to get RSC2, but not @ $60.
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Well I finally bought CMR4 today and I must say this is the best rally game I've ever played. Everything is what I was expecting, and the graphics are even better than I tought they would be. Handling is perfect but I'm having quite a hard time understand the co-pilot with his big fat british accent!
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CMR4 has terrible controls and physics. It feels as if they stuck a stick up throught he middle of the car and that's what you drive on. Instead of modelling the 4 corners of the car and the way it would realisticly interact with the ground, they simply model based on pitch, yaw, and roll, like an airplane controls. If you want to get an idea for what I'm talking about, complete a stage and watch a replay. You'll see the car doesn't follow the front wheels as you would expect, rather it "slides" sort of like it has 4 wheel steering.
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Glad we have options. Some people love the control and handling in
CMR4 and others don't. I'm one of the latter. I prefer the handling
in Rallisport Challenge, but hey - I'm just a little off, so...

I wonder if CMR4 being a cross-platform project had to handle their
control coding differently and that may be why some don't like it?
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I find RSC handles better, but it's still not really realistic. I'm looking forward to Xpand Rally and Richard Burns Rally. RBR in particular I think will revolutionize not just Rally racing games, but racing games in general.

http://www.richardburnsrally.com/home.htm
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I find RSC handles better, but it's still not really realistic. I'm looking forward to Xpand Rally and Richard Burns Rally. RBR in particular I think will revolutionize not just Rally racing games, but racing games in general.

http://www.richardburnsrally.com/home.htm
Cool - thanks for the link.

For me, the two best games are Gran Turismo 3 on my PS2 (I like the rally tracks)
and Rallisport Challenge on my PC. Both of these games I can play for hours and
enjoy them a great deal. The handling of GT3 on those rally tracks is just great
with the stock controller, and on the PC, even the keyboard works great for RC.

Glad we have so many to choose from. I know I'm looking forward to GT4 on
the PS2. I hope the handling does not change. It would be tragic if it did...
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CMR4 has terrible controls and physics. It feels as if they stuck a stick up throught he middle of the car and that's what you drive on. Instead of modelling the 4 corners of the car and the way it would realisticly interact with the ground, they simply model based on pitch, yaw, and roll, like an airplane controls. If you want to get an idea for what I'm talking about, complete a stage and watch a replay. You'll see the car doesn't follow the front wheels as you would expect, rather it "slides" sort of like it has 4 wheel steering.
It's called weight transfer, proof that's it's a simulator more than an arcade game. Just learn how to properly transfer the weight to the front a little more when you take a turn.
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CMR4 has terrible controls and physics. It feels as if they stuck a stick up throught he middle of the car and that's what you drive on. Instead of modelling the 4 corners of the car and the way it would realisticly interact with the ground, they simply model based on pitch, yaw, and roll, like an airplane controls. If you want to get an idea for what I'm talking about, complete a stage and watch a replay. You'll see the car doesn't follow the front wheels as you would expect, rather it "slides" sort of like it has 4 wheel steering.
You're spot on describing Rallisport Challenge(which is why I couldn't stand it), and in part CMR3, CMR4 is in a different league for me, much, much better.

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It's called weight transfer, proof that's it's a simulator more than an arcade game. Just learn how to properly transfer the weight to the front a little more when you take a turn.
Weight transfer, that's classic. No it's called center point or centerpole physics.

Try this: stop your car, start going in reverse, and turn. Notice how the whole car just sort of slides around an axis-point which seems stuck somewhere between the driver and co-driver. Another example? Nose the car straight up to an object and hit the gas and turn the wheel. It will drive laterally as no sim or car would. The back tires in this case move perpendicular to their direction. This proves that you are driving nothing more than a center pole with a colorful cardboard box attached to make it look like a car.
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I can't believe you are trying to argue for rallisport challenge with these examples, you must be thinking of a different game to me as Rallisport Challenge has by far the worst case of the handling feeling like driving and turning a pole I've seen for a while.

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I said earlier that RSC wasn't realistic either. IMO, there hasn't yet been a realisticly handling rally game released yet. I hope that Richard Burns Rally lives up to the hype they've been pushing.
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Weight transfer, that's classic. No it's called center point or centerpole physics.

Try this: stop your car, start going in reverse, and turn. Notice how the whole car just sort of slides around an axis-point which seems stuck somewhere between the driver and co-driver. Another example? Nose the car straight up to an object and hit the gas and turn the wheel. It will drive laterally as no sim or car would. The back tires in this case move perpendicular to their direction. This proves that you are driving nothing more than a center pole with a colorful cardboard box attached to make it look like a car.
Do you know how fast WRC cars are? First: Do you know it's a rally game??? Try to put a WRC car in reverse and push the throttle on the floor. Trust me, you're gonna start spinning. These cars can go from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds, on dirt roads. How do you want to follow a straight line?
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