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Old Apr 2, 2020, 10:35 PM   #2071
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Wow, that's a unpleasant surprise. I should have seen that coming.
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Old Apr 2, 2020, 11:07 PM   #2072
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Wow, that's a unpleasant surprise. I should have seen that coming.
yea it is nuts

i don't mind supporting hospitals and doctors
but they got all the masks and now they want all wipes and gloves

if some of us are essential services we still can't work if we can't get the supplies we need to work


and next they will most likely want all the toilet paper for hospitals
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Old Apr 2, 2020, 11:12 PM   #2073
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Stay at home order extended to May 4th in Washington state. Going to be a long, long month. If people would start taking this seriously.
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Old Apr 3, 2020, 01:05 AM   #2074
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The World Needs Masks. China Makes Them, but Has Been Hoarding Them.

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China made half the world’s masks before the coronavirus emerged there, and it has expanded production nearly 12-fold since then. But it has claimed mask factory output for itself. Purchases and donations also brought China a big chunk of the world’s supply from elsewhere.

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Peter Navarro, an adviser to President Trump on manufacturing and trade, contended on Fox Business last month that China had essentially taken over factories that make masks on behalf of American companies. Beijing, he said, had opted to “nationalize effectively 3M, our company.”

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Old Apr 3, 2020, 04:41 AM   #2075
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So ramp up production state-side. We would do the same thing if we had the production on our end..

Can't be mad at China for looking out for their people first. Every country would (and should) do the same thing.
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So ramp up production state-side. We would do the same thing if we had the production on our end..

Can't be mad at China for looking out for their people first. Every country would (and should) do the same thing.
It is no different than telling some corporation to make respirators, but I guess that infringes on some peeps idea of "muh freedums."

It is also no different than going in and making sure states are not trying to out bid each other for vital life saving equipment. Paying 10x and 20x the original price of something is not right in a global emergency; someone who thinks first of profit and not saving lives is a person who deserves neither and I'm not ****ing joking.

If this is a war treat it as such and ensure those on the front lines are protected and supported. They're exposing themselves to great risk because they want to help others in their bones. Don't make them do it in trash bags, ski masks, and other ridiculousness. And, don't make state leaders swear fealty to you for it.... This whole ordeal is just SMFH..
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1 mil boned. 50K dead. 5% death rate seems high.
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1 mil boned. 50K dead. 5% death rate seems high.
You realize the 1 mil figure means 1 mil who were tested and were tested positive, but the real number of infected is orders of magnitude higher, right? Majority of infected people do not show any or just mild flu symptoms and hence will most likely never be tested until this is over and science will want to know real numbers by testing for antibodies in a population.
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You realize the 1 mil figure means 1 mil who were tested and were tested positive, but the real number of infected is orders of magnitude higher, right? Majority of infected people do not show any or just mild flu symptoms and hence will most likely never be tested until this is over and science will want to know real numbers by testing for antibodies in a population.
You do realize that deaths caused by the COVID-19 virus is also magnitudes higher too right? There are many being logged under other causes because they where never diagnosed with COVID-19, unless there is an autopsy, which is rarely done.
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You do realize that deaths caused by the COVID-19 virus is also magnitudes higher too right? There are many being logged under other causes because they where never diagnosed with COVID-19, unless there is an autopsy, which is rarely done.
No I don't realize that it's magnitudes higher. I know some deaths happen to be outside the healthcare system and maybe some inside it go undiagnosed as well, but I trust once you are dying in a hospital on a ventilator you have got the test done already .

What I do realize is many healhcare system deaths are being filed under covid even with co-morbidities that were a significant contributor. Meaning these people were likely to die sooner rather than later. Especially in the elderly which happen to be a vast majority of cases.

In any case worrying about a 5% mortality rate based on the current number of positively tested is unfounded. I hope we can at least agree on that.
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No I don't realize that it's magnitudes higher. I know some deaths happen to be outside the healthcare system and maybe some inside it go undiagnosed as well, but I trust once you are dying in a hospital on a ventilator you have got the test done already .

What I do realize is many healhcare system deaths are being filed under covid even with co-morbidities that were a significant contributor. Meaning these people were likely to die sooner rather than later. Especially in the elderly which happen to be a vast majority of cases.

In any case worrying about a 5% mortality rate based on the current number of positively tested is unfounded. I hope we can at least agree on that.
Not everyone's on the same page. For example Russia has really low coronavirus cases being reported. But their pneumonia rates are skyrocketing. I'm sure this is unrelated.

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A sharp spike in pneumonia cases in Moscow, Russia’s biggest transport hub and a city with a population of around 13 million, has further raised doubts.

“I have a feeling they (the authorities) are lying to us,” said Anastasia Vasilyeva, head of Russia’s Doctor’s Alliance trade union.

The government says its statistics are accurate however, and President Vladimir Putin has complained that Russia is being targeted by fake news to sow panic.

The number of cases of pneumonia, which can be caused by coronavirus, increased by 37 percent in Moscow year-on-year in January
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The data showed that the Russian capital, which has 98 confirmed cases of coronavirus, recorded 6,921 pneumonia cases in January, up from 5,058 the previous year. Nationwide pneumonia cases also spiked by over 3 percent year-on-year.

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This data is over a week old though so who knows what the current picture is.
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wonder if it will require monthly updates
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"It'll be a few billion dollars we'll waste on manufacturing for the constructs that don't get picked because something else is better," Gates said in the clip. "But a few billion in this, the situation we're in, where there's trillions of dollars ... being lost economically, it is worth it."

The Gates Foundation "can get that bootstrapped and get it going and save months, because every month counts," he added.
That and obligatory "Oh no a philanthropist is spending lots of money to help during a crisis oh no!"

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It's great he's doing something good with his money. It's weird to think his net worth is such that he could lose $50 BILLION dollars and it wouldn't impact his life in any way.
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I think bill gates is brilliant, he seems genuine in his efforts, always liked him. he earned his fortunes, you dont hear of trump spending his millions towards research
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I think bill gates is brilliant, he seems genuine in his efforts, always liked him. he earned his fortunes, you dont hear of trump spending his millions towards research
Of all the multi-billionaires, he's definitely my favorite. He seems to have genuinely done good with his wealth. If every billionaire was like this, and not a bag of cocks like the Koch brothers or the Adelsons, the world would be a much better place.
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Let's see soros drop some cash to help old Bill out with this instead of paying protestors.

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Let's see soros drop some cash to help old Bill out with this instead of paying protestors.
No, according to alt-right and right-wing conspiracy theorists, Soros was busy funding the lab in Wuhan that actually created the pandemic.

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He’s doing better than I would with all that money. Knowing there’d be people out there sh*tting all over the donation... like has been done in here... I’d tell the human race to go fk itself - make the vaccine for me & mine - then ride it out in my bunker.
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https://reason.com/2020/04/02/can-a-...est-be-trusted

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Let's see soros drop some cash to help old Bill out with this instead of paying protestors.

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That's not good. The only way we can go back to work will be if we can confidently test everyone. Otherwise, the curve will just start trending back up again
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Wow France had a bad day. 1120 deaths, highest so far.

...Until you count USA today with 1314 (so far)

The numbers in some of the main countries are looking pretty dire.
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No I don't realize that it's magnitudes higher. I know some deaths happen to be outside the healthcare system and maybe some inside it go undiagnosed as well, but I trust once you are dying in a hospital on a ventilator you have got the test done already .

What I do realize is many healhcare system deaths are being filed under covid even with co-morbidities that were a significant contributor. Meaning these people were likely to die sooner rather than later. Especially in the elderly which happen to be a vast majority of cases.

In any case worrying about a 5% mortality rate based on the current number of positively tested is unfounded. I hope we can at least agree on that.
People a week in a half ago, when the US's death rate was at 1.28%, thought it would go down from there with all the testing going on.. it is climbing.. it is now at 2.4%. You are not being realistic if you don't believe that there are percentage wise just as many deaths not being counted as those that have the virus. We also are just guessing, as there is no real way to fully prove just how many do have the virus and we are not counting.

Every death rate is tied to healthcare. We have thousands of senseless deaths each year just because people don't have access to healthcare or we don't have treatment for it. We do not subtract those deaths from the death rate of what killed them just because of lack of healthcare or treatment. Yes, the death rate will go down over time, and in some cases that can take years (look at HIV, the death rate climbed for 10 years before a break thru was made.). Even the Flu before vaccinations, the death rate was much higher.
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Wow France had a bad day. 1120 deaths, highest so far.

...Until you count USA today with 1314 (so far)

The numbers in some of the main countries are looking pretty dire.
I am to the point I don't even trust the CDC. (I know that isn't where you are getting your numbers) It seems the CDC is watering down the numbers, as what they have for totals today is what all other counters had before they posted yesterday's numbers. And the CDC cuts off totals for the day at 4pm.
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Wow France had a bad day. 1120 deaths, highest so far.

...Until you count USA today with 1314 (so far)

The numbers in some of the main countries are looking pretty dire.
I dont know what we are doing in Canada that so far is working so well but we have 20% per capita of the rate of both infections and deaths that the US has. We are maybe just lucky... I wouldnt count on the infection rate as being precise as we test so few but the death rate is near certain.
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I am to the point I don't even trust the CDC. (I know that isn't where you are getting your numbers) It seems the CDC is watering down the numbers, as what they have for totals today is what all other counters had before they posted yesterday's numbers. And the CDC cuts off totals for the day at 4pm.
I'm in the same boat. I was glued to their website two months ago. Then I realized they're horrible. I don't think it's watering down the numbers so much as it is incompetence. I know of six people who have had COVID-19 symptoms and all of them were tested and are waiting for results at 20, 12, and 10 days respectively. If numbers were to be purposefully watered down, they would come back negative when they're really positive. Or maybe they're just so incompetent they can't even water the numbers down properly.
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