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Old Feb 9, 2019, 03:21 AM   #3031
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I am hoping the destruction of NV share price leads to reasonable pricing.
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Old Feb 9, 2019, 05:53 AM   #3033
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I am hoping the destruction of NV share price leads to reasonable pricing.
There in a big hole ATM. If they reduce prices and cut their margins that will destroy the share price even more as profits will plummet. Good old Jensen is seeing his millions p**s away in front of his eyes partly because of his greed in pricing Turing too high. Consumers are becoming sick of paying ever higher prices for virtually no performance delta. The same thing is happening with Apple.
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Old Feb 9, 2019, 09:17 AM   #3034
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All imho,


I think Nvidia did get caught up during the mining days and it helped drive up share, revenue and margins. By misreading the mining market, it has effected the bottom line for growth momentum. This i believe is the major reason for the share drop.
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Price drops are eventual but don't think its gonna be anytime soon. In fact there's no pressure to even release a refresh part in the usual June timeframe.
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Price drops are eventual but don't think its gonna be anytime soon. In fact there's no pressure to even release a refresh part in the usual June timeframe.
In the UK you can buy a Vega 56 AIB card for £300 and an Asus Rog Strix Vega 64 for £400 and they absolutely destroy the RTX 2060 which costs £329. Nvidia just aren't shifting Turing cards and they admit that themselves. Regarding price they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Sooner rather than later they will have to bite the bullet but lets see when. Their 2080/ti are at a joke price and consumers are just not buying it. Massive own goal by Jensen but then again it's his money he's pi**ing away.
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I don't really see where the Vega 64 is destroying the RTX 2060 - it's actually keeping up in most games, and the RTX2060 is drawing far less power and running much cooler.

2019 looks to be a terrible year in terms of hardware, at least on the GPU front. I don't see any reason for NV to release a refresh as the Radeon VII is a terrible card. Seems like this is pretty much the worst GPU release from both teams in a long time. The pricing of the RTX2xxx series has been absolutely dreadful, and the performance from the AMD camp is, as it has been for years now, lacking. The pricing isn't very good either.

I'll probably buy an Alphacool waterblock for my TITAN X Pascal and ride this out until the next line of cards. At 2050/5500 it's still a beast. I think this year I'll move to a 6c/12thread or 8c/16thread chip and ignore a GPU upgrade. Hopefully both teams figure out what the hell they're doing, because what we have on the market right now definitely isn't appealing. You know what would be great right now? mGPU. I would just buy another TITAN and SLI them, but unfortunately, mGPU has bitten the dust.
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In the UK you can buy a Vega 56 AIB card for £300 and an Asus Rog Strix Vega 64 for £400 and they absolutely destroy the RTX 2060 which costs £329. Nvidia just aren't shifting Turing cards and they admit that themselves. Regarding price they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Sooner rather than later they will have to bite the bullet but lets see when. Their 2080/ti are at a joke price and consumers are just not buying it. Massive own goal by Jensen but then again it's his money he's pi**ing away.
According to Steam, i am surprised by the positive percentage of 2080 and ti sku's considering their premium pricing.
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the lack of RTX games are slowing NV sales more than price

350 top end gpu's from AMD is a thing of the past not going to see anything high end out of AMD cheaper than 700 usd

navi will be cheaper but is mid range card .

as soon as a few top class games that use RTX are out cards will sell much faster even at the same prices and NV knows it

the next 7nm RTX cards will not be cheaper .
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the lack of RTX games are slowing NV sales more than price

350 top end gpu's from AMD is a thing of the past not going to see anything high end out of AMD cheaper than 700 usd

navi will be cheaper but is mid range card .

as soon as a few top class games that use RTX are out cards will sell much faster even at the same prices and NV knows it

the next 7nm RTX cards will not be cheaper .
Yeah, I think you're 100% right about this.
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I think the lack of rtx content is a component but feel the major reason is the lackluster price performance considering it's a next generational arch.
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they get the games out and I may but a second 2080 ti for RTX at 4k
since it looks like I won't be buying two Radeon 7's too much power draw and no CFX support

but those dx12 games would need to show SLI support with RTX first
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Nvidia may need to be careful with pricing considering their main competitors may be more powerful integrated solutions and consoles. Intel and amd are serious competitors.
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Nvidia may need to be careful with pricing considering their main competitors may be more powerful integrated solutions and consoles. Intel and amd are serious competitors.
not till late 2020 and the next consoles like the PS5 and likely anything like a high end card from AMD or Intel
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they get the games out and I may but a second 2080 ti for RTX at 4k
since it looks like I won't be buying two Radeon 7's too much power draw and no CFX support

but those dx12 games would need to show SLI support with RTX first
Does sli enable or compatible with raytracing and dlss?
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Does sli enable or compatible with raytracing and dlss?
it can

it does in port royal anyway

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just needs support in dx12
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Thanks. Curious about dlss and sli.
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Thanks. Curious about dlss and sli.
well since both raytracing and dlss need dx12 I think SLI with them will need game developer support
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The whole 2000 series has basically been a joke thanks to Nvidia acting arrogantly. First they think they can sell 2080 Ti FEs for $1200 and then AIBs will eagerly go ahead and sell at MSRP. Bzzzt! They think they can actually sell the same performance at the same price and people will actually care. Bzzzt! Everyone is calling their bluff.

Nvidia needs to get their heads out of their ass and lower the price of these cards. At the very least they need to sell chips to the AIBs cheaply enough that they actually try to hit the MSRP on the 2080 Ti. Otherwise next time they may as well not bother listing an MSRP.
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Well with the die size at 12nm I can imagine the gpus arent cheap. If they can put it out at 7nm and lower the price then maybe but no card is worth more than 7-800 CAD imo. Its just still too much of an upgrade curve. You spend that much usually on stuff meant to last.
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Yep, this whole gen is a joke. 2080TI? LoL, no way I'd touch that. Turns out, R7 is actually worse value over Vega64 than 2080TI over 1080TI!


Nvidia started the trend of shiitness, and AMD followed suit.. I hope they both suffer and we get better value next gen!
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Yep, this whole gen is a joke. 2080TI? LoL, no way I'd touch that. Turns out, R7 is actually worse value over Vega64 than 2080TI over 1080TI!


Nvidia started the trend of shiitness, and AMD followed suit.. I hope they both suffer and we get better value next gen!
Yeah, overall it's just a disappointing time to be a GPU enthusiast. It's actually quite bizarre to see close to zero performance increase in the same price bracket like we have this gen. I think it's basically unprecedented going back to the start of discrete 3D accelerators in the 1990s.
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It takes the excitement and major reason to upgrade away. Great engineering, very good chips, forward looking and feature rich but feel Nvidia did go too far and too aggressive with their price.
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Yeah, overall it's just a disappointing time to be a GPU enthusiast. It's actually quite bizarre to see close to zero performance increase in the same price bracket like we have this gen. I think it's basically unprecedented going back to the start of discrete 3D accelerators in the 1990s.
NV milking Pascal for 2+ years was unprecedented. AMD hasn't had a top-end card since 2013 with the 290X which performs like their bread and butter 580.
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NV milking Pascal for 2+ years was unprecedented. AMD hasn't had a top-end card since 2013 with the 290X which performs like their bread and butter 580.
2015 Fury X cfx was a good upgrade from 290x cfx at 4k
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Once you go 290X Crossfire, you go deaf.
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it was nothing like a R7 but then I had two asus DCII



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It takes the excitement and major reason to upgrade away. Great engineering, very good chips, forward looking and feature rich but feel Nvidia did go too far and too aggressive with their price.
Make your mind up Sir Pauly you earlier mentioned it was NV's misinterpretation of the crypto market and now it's price which is exactly what I have suggested?
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NV are in the chicken and egg syndrome. They are having to pay Dev's for ray tracing and DLSS support because Turing footprint is way too small because of the high price they're charging. With their share price tanking investors are not happy which is bound to limit their budget to spend on Dev's unless they reduce the price. Time for Jensen to bite the bullet and admit his pricing strategy for Turing was all wrong. The TI needs to come down to $800 and the 2080 to $550 and they'll sell well but I won't be holding my breath.
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NV are in the chicken and egg syndrome. They are having to pay Dev's for ray tracing and DLSS support because Turing footprint is way too small because of the high price they're charging. With their share price tanking investors are not happy which is bound to limit their budget to spend on Dev's unless they reduce the price. Time for Jensen to bite the bullet and admit his pricing strategy for Turing was all wrong. The TI needs to come down to $800 and the 2080 to $550 and they'll sell well but I won't be holding my breath.

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