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Old Feb 18, 2019, 01:24 AM   #31
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I honestly think that we'll be seeing cheaper cards in the future. It seems to me that Nvidia really overextended themselves with the 2000 series. They made these huge dies that probably aren't exactly cheap to make, and then had to price them high to get the same margins. But the retail price was too high for too little so they're not selling.

They're either going to have to cut prices and accept lower margins, or next gen they're going to have to scale back the chips so that they can lower production costs and thus afford to price the cards lower. Nvidia just got lucky that this happened at a time when AMD wasn't prepared to compete. But even without assistance they've managed to more or less blow it this gen.

I do think Nvidia looked at the inflated prices due to mining and thought they could push prices higher, but they were seriously underestimating how much of that demand was for cryptocurrencies. There isn't as much legitimate gaming demand as they thought, which resulted in two things: an oversupply of outgoing Pascal cards, and the entire Turing line-up priced too high. With Pascal more or less cleared out, we'll have to see if Turing starts getting some price cuts.
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and the 1080 ti fe was the same 30% over the near year older 1080 fe
1080 to 1080TI wasn't a generational upgrade. 980TI to 1080TI was.


1080TI to 2080TI is the smallest generational gain at the highest price increase in history.
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Yeah even I didn’t buy a new card this time.
That really says something.

Hell, I saw the rtx reviews and bought a used 1080ti the next day on offer up.
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 10:43 AM   #36
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1080 to 1080TI wasn't a generational upgrade. 980TI to 1080TI was.


1080TI to 2080TI is the smallest generational gain at the highest price increase in history.
Definitely, I went from 780 ti sli to a single 980ti. The 980 ti was often a fair bit slower than 780 sli. I had to dial back settings at 3440x1440.

I was not expecting more than double the performance in 4k going from 980ti to 1080 ti.

Rtx2080 ti seems like a smaller upgrade than gtx680 to GTX Titan.
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I went from a 780Ti to the RX Vega64 LC for $525 back in Sept 2017. So I guess I don't feel the pain atm. lol.

Seriously though.. RTX cards are grossly overpriced. It should have started with the 2080Ti @ 900. 2080 @ 750. 2070 @ 600 and 2060 @ 350. THEN after 6 months drop the prices on the 2080Ti and 2080 by $100. 2070 by $50 and 2060 by $50.

Then slide the prices down as the cards yields and such go up.

I'd bet that would have sold more cards.
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Yeah man, bought the MSI Lightning on Saturday. About 30% increase for me in most titles. Been awesome, have no games that make use of DLSS and RT.
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You had time to go out and purchase a new GPU and tell us all about it yet you can’t update your system specs. I call lies. Mhmmm
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The prices have definitely shifted to a much higher point. I dont think the 2080ti is worth what it cost coming from a 1080ti which is why I havent picked one up. Price is a factor but not really the biggest factor for me personally. If it had come with a bigger jump across the board it may have been worth it to me.

But in all honestly, I think my priorities in life have changed so much that even if it were 600 bucks I probably wouldnt spring for it. Gaming has taken a backseat to the point where I dont even need to upgrade cause it would be a waste of money.

The 2080ti is still selling pretty decently cause there are a ton of enthusiasts out there that will pay the premium.
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2019 is going to be interesting when it comes to graphic card prices.

The next Nvidia quarterly report should be very near to a possible Navi announcement. All the rumors suggest that Navi will be the performance level of a 2070. What we don't know is the price for Navi 10. The same sources suggests that Navi's ace in the hole is going to be its "aggressive pricing".

So how is this going to play out? We can almost guarantee that Nvidia's RTX series isn't going to start selling like hot cakes in the next three months. So more than likely their stock price is going to reflect that. Three consecutive quarters of bad sales, along with their competitors release of price happy mid-range card, would maybe force Nvidia to bring the price of the RTX out of the upper atmosphere? Remember the only thing selling out of Nvidia's store has been the RTX 2060. Navi is a direct competitor to Nvidia's main seller.

*The key to all of this is going to be the price of Navi. *If Navi is running as good as rumors suggest and *if AMD can keep prices enticing, it may just shake things up.
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2019 is going to be interesting when it comes to graphic card prices.

The next Nvidia quarterly report should be very near to a possible Navi announcement. All the rumors suggest that Navi will be the performance level of a 2070. What we don't know is the price for Navi 10. The same sources suggests that Navi's ace in the hole is going to be its "aggressive pricing".

So how is this going to play out? We can almost guarantee that Nvidia's RTX series isn't going to start selling like hot cakes in the next three months. So more than likely their stock price is going to reflect that. Three consecutive quarters of bad sales, along with their competitors release of price happy mid-range card, would maybe force Nvidia to bring the price of the RTX out of the upper atmosphere? Remember the only thing selling out of Nvidia's store has been the RTX 2060. Navi is a direct competitor to Nvidia's main seller.

*The key to all of this is going to be the price of Navi. *If Navi is running as good as rumors suggest and *if AMD can keep prices enticing, it may just shake things up.
Assuming Navi is what I think it will be (lightly warmed over Polaris on 7nm with GDDR6) it should be much cheaper to build. NV wasted a lot of die area on useless RTX features. But NV makes insane profit on their AI cards and recycling dud enterprise dies as gaming GPUs is cheaper than throwing them out.
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The current price of the RTX 2060 is $350, which is the only RTX card in reasonable affordable territory. A price that I'm sure was considered after the poor sales showing of it's older brothers.

So, for arguments/speculation sake, let's say Navi 10 is the same performance of the RTX 2060. What price does AMD put on that card to make it damn enticing? I think if they go for $300, it's not going to do it, considering you can still get Ray Tracing on the 2060. But if they price this sucker at $250, then we might have a seriously good contender here. Considering that the RX590 is currently going for that price, it isn't a huge stretch.

What do you guys think Navi will be priced at?
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If the card is available in stock with 8GB GDDR6 for half the price of its matching Nvidia part, then it will be interesting. Very roughly what got their Ryzen series in motion. Anything else, say 20%, as a gamer I'll just wait Consoles still work.
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I just hope that the next generation of gpus has mid range cards that are faster than a 1080.
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That's what we're all hoping for, but I don't think that is in the cards in 2019. I think I can speak for everyone when I say it's high time for a 1080Ti performance for mid-range card prices.
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I've never been one to always buy the latest in PC hardware. I generally wait until the price for performance matches over what I have (i.e. if my current GPU is worth $100 and a new one is $600, will I get the same percentage performance increase or close).
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Everyone thinking that Nvidia will do a massive price drop on the Turring line of cards don't realize that Nvidia really can't do this.

Gamers Nexus did a video I can't remember which one basically pricing out the components of the GPU itself with known market fab pricing. The 2080TI should be around $799 - $899 in price.

If Nvidia were to "drop" the price of the cards to this level they would face lawsuits of price fixing and consumer misinformation.

Peoples faith would even be lower with Nvidia then it already is.

I'd personally like to upgrade, but I just can't bring myself to pay the asking price. I got my Strix for $799.99 CND brand new from MemExpress 2 years ago. I'd be paying $1899.99 to $1999.99 now. That's a 2.2x increase in price...
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Meh too much hate over pricing. Good cards some more meh than others. Be a smart shopper you won't pay anywhere near retail.
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I went to a 1070Ti from my 970 last year in August and haven't regretted it. Paid $430 from the Egg. Got it overclocked to get 1080 or better performance.
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Meh too much hate over pricing. Good cards some more meh than others. Be a smart shopper you won't pay anywhere near retail.
Thats the thing to hate on though. No one would bat an eye at a 600-700 card that can do what the 2080ti does.

I think with the 2xxx series cards a lot of real enthusiasts have really been priced out. 1k+ for a card is tough for the average person.
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If Nvidia were to "drop" the price of the cards to this level they would face lawsuits of price fixing and consumer misinformation.
Even if they lowered prices, nothing NVidia is doing amounts to price fixing. Manufactures can charge any price they choose, even if it is unrealistic, as it is all part of free commerce. What they can't do is get together with other manufacturers or sellers, and agree on set prices together, that constitutes price fixing.

I am not sure what you mean by misinformation.
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The current price of the RTX 2060 is $350, which is the only RTX card in reasonable affordable territory. A price that I'm sure was considered after the poor sales showing of it's older brothers.

So, for arguments/speculation sake, let's say Navi 10 is the same performance of the RTX 2060. What price does AMD put on that card to make it damn enticing? I think if they go for $300, it's not going to do it, considering you can still get Ray Tracing on the 2060. But if they price this sucker at $250, then we might have a seriously good contender here. Considering that the RX590 is currently going for that price, it isn't a huge stretch.

What do you guys think Navi will be priced at?
If it performs roughly equal to the 1070 then I expect it to be $250 on down. If that weren't the case, then it wouldn't really be a price/performance improvement over current Polaris RX 590s. For that matter there have been times when you could pick up a Vega 56 for not much more than $300 (that may have passed?), so it wouldn't even be an improvement over that other than being more efficient.

If it is equal to a 1080 instead, then I could see it starting at $300-350, but with a lower end 1070 equivalent still in the $250 price range.

I don't really consider $350 for a graphics card to be mainstream. People buying $800 graphics cards may consider that to be a "low end" card, but the average consumer does not. So calling it a mainstream graphics card would not make sense to me unless the product stack extends down to $250 and even $150, offering better performance than what is currently available in those price brackets.

Edit: Apparently the MSI Airburst Vega 56 was just available for $280. So apparently the Vega deals continue. Even with the crappy cooler, that is a damn good price for a Vega 56!

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I'm actually relatively impressed with the 2070. My 980 Ti was certainly aging. But I also didn't pay for it so my view is likely skewed. But the performance over my 980 Ti is fairly substantial. A 1080 wasn't worth the cost of upgrade, but I feel the 2070 certainly is.
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Adding on to what I said before, with the 1660 Ti now offering 1070 performance at $280, Navi offering that at $250 is no longer going to be so amazing. I think Navi is either going to have to be cheaper or offer significantly more performance, like 1070 Ti/Vega 56 level.
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