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Old Feb 28, 2021, 03:35 PM   #991
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Because of HDR.... like we already told you....

Seems the HDR in 1080p or 1200p resolution is limited or software based.No True HDR.There is nothing to buy anyway at this point at this resolutions.

https://www.displayninja.com/hdr-monitor-list/
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Purchased a DAC to try and get audio to my PC speakers from the TV. The saga continues...

Will update with my results tomorrow night when I get it for anyone interested.
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Old Feb 28, 2021, 04:32 PM   #993
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Seems the HDR in 1080p or 1200p resolution is limited or software based.No True HDR.There is nothing to buy anyway at this point at this resolutions.

https://www.displayninja.com/hdr-monitor-list/
The list is breaking up mostly based on back light tech. The ability for these displays to really leverage the contrast ratios offered in HDR. Which is fair, as it's probably the most visually striking difference when viewing HDR content.

And it makes sense. 1080p isn't as popular as it once was. All the "true HDR" listed monitors are also 4k. Why? because no ones going to put in the effort for an LCD for FALD and then not also give you the resolution for 4k. So the best you can hope for is "limited HDR" which means local dimming zones. Far from perfect, but at least it can get closer to approximating that brightness control to make HDR really pop.
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Old Feb 28, 2021, 05:00 PM   #994
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Will update with my results tomorrow night when I get it for anyone interested.
Converting the digital to analog will likely work .

Although... did you check to make sure the digital input on the Zx isn't muted in windows? Or set to be listened to? Control Panel > Sound > Recording > *whatever the optical input is is called* > Listen. Then make sure "listen to this device" is ticked off?
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Although... did you check to make sure the digital input on the Zx isn't muted in windows? Or set to be listened to? Control Panel > Sound > Recording > *whatever the optical input is is called* > Listen. Then make sure "listen to this device" is ticked off?
Yep, tried all that stuff. Can't get the card to work no matter what I do.
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I agree, it's pretty damn unacceptable.
Besides piss-poor QA, afaik bad handling could also be the culprit.
The box was in excellent shape, but I would imagine that if these things hit a surface hard on the flat side, the tiniest piece of assembly residue within the monitor casing could pretty much go flying anywhere.
I'm going to be pretty harsh with Amazon on the matter, not that it's going to make a difference
i still remember the one time i ordered a pc from a shop who send it to my adress via DHL. They somehow managed to smack the box that hard that the complete CPU-Cooler RIPPED OFF and with it the CPU which also took out the tray. The real "fun" started after that, of course.......
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The list is breaking up mostly based on back light tech. The ability for these displays to really leverage the contrast ratios offered in HDR. Which is fair, as it's probably the most visually striking difference when viewing HDR content.

And it makes sense. 1080p isn't as popular as it once was. All the "true HDR" listed monitors are also 4k. Why? because no ones going to put in the effort for an LCD for FALD and then not also give you the resolution for 4k. So the best you can hope for is "limited HDR" which means local dimming zones. Far from perfect, but at least it can get closer to approximating that brightness control to make HDR really pop.
Like usual the full HDR experience and also like full RTX implementation is for premium segment now.
OLED's were also premium stuff but seems there will be a 31 inch Full HD display...It will take some time for the "bottom barell" to access those technologies.
On the other hand there is an advantage to the waiting.All quirks will be iron out until 1080p True HD will be available.
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Hit me with your best shot especially if you have past experience with the monitor your recommending.

What say you gaiz about these?...

LG 27GL83A-B
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400 bux or less
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Hit me with your best shot especially if you have past experience with the monitor your recommending.

What say you gaiz about these?...

LG 27GL83A-B
Gigabyte G27Q
ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD
See if this ones are nice to you:
27GL850-B
and
27GN850-B

side by side comparision between those two
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools...50-b/912/14623
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The LG 27GN850 is an excellent monitor. I had the 38" version of it. Fantastic image quality, build quality, and had all the bells and whistles. Definitely recommend it.
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The LG 27GN850 is an excellent monitor. I had the 38" version of it. Fantastic image quality, build quality, and had all the bells and whistles. Definitely recommend it.


A bit outside the budget considering this is a birthday present. I'll keep an eye on sales ^_^
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400 bux or less
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Hit me with your best shot especially if you have past experience with the monitor your recommending.

What say you gaiz about these?...

LG 27GL83A-B
Gigabyte G27Q
ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD
Maybe a bit left field but how about this.

https://iiyama.com/gl_en/products/g-...gb3461wqsu-b1/

OK it's 34" UQHD 3440x1440 so 1440p and it's flat and an LCD. I've got the curved VA version and it's amazing. I didn't want a flat monitor so didn't buy this. I think your Vega 64 should handle it at medium/high settings. It's freesync premium 144hz so what's not to like.

My last monitor was an Acer X270HU 27" 1440p 144hz and I sorted it out for my son today and he's already scaled it to 125% because he thought the icon's looked too small He's 21 and I'm 60 and I had no problem and he has 20:20 vision whereas I wear glasses.

He has my old 5700XT and I did a benchmark with Rise of the Tomb Raider (2015) and the minimum FPS was 158 so Vega should be OK even UWQHD. If you're spending $400 get the most future proof monitor you can that gives you options in the future to upgrade your GPU.

Just my 2C's worth.
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https://iiyama.com/gl_en/products/g-...gb3461wqsu-b1/

OK it's 34" UQHD 3440x1440 so 1440p and it's flat and an LCD. I've got the curved VA version and it's amazing. I didn't want a flat monitor so didn't buy this. I think your Vega 64 should handle it at medium/high settings. It's freesync premium 144hz so what's not to like.

My last monitor was an Acer X270HU 27" 1440p 144hz and I sorted it out for my son today and he's already scaled it to 125% because he thought the icon's looked too small He's 21 and I'm 60 and I had no problem and he has 20:20 vision whereas I wear glasses.

He has my old 5700XT and I did a benchmark with Rise of the Tomb Raider (2015) and the minimum FPS was 158 so Vega should be OK even UWQHD. If you're spending $400 get the most future proof monitor you can that gives you options in the future to upgrade your GPU.

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I find this situation kinda funny...Lurk just replaced almost 4 gaming monitors and i bought an open box photography monitor and it doesn't have dead pixels, hairs, uniformity stuff or other visible defects.It comes even with calibration certificate specific for the serial number.Benq is by no means a premium brand.
I feel the manufacturers treat the gaming market with the bottom ass.Also the segment that buy gaming monitors seems to accept this otherwise manufacturers would have problems with sales.
I had a fear to end up buying a mainstream gaming manufacturer exactly for the reasons Lurk encounters.I knew the lottery that is going in the mainstream gaming market.I was a bit afraid to jump into this pool and begin a back and forth process of send/receive monitors.
I have looked also at an LG 27GL850-B model.The online shop have one open box and says it has 2 defect pixels.This monitor is the same price as mine 400 euros / 400$ new.I find that at this price bracket it still has problems with dead pixels is just show how we are treated.
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side by side comparision between those two
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools...50-b/912/14623
I recently purchased the LG 27 GL850-B.

Very nice monitor so far.
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I recently purchased the LG 27 GL850-B.

Very nice monitor so far.
Wife has two of them they are great monitors.
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I want to put this information here too as i am not sure how many still read my thread.For future buyers to be aware of.




I was readings rtings site and this thing caught my eyes.This looks like the top tier expensive may have a 10bit 1.07b colors but is not officialy advertised ?



https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...enware-aw2521h

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The gradient handling is exceptional. There's minimal banding throughout and you shouldn't notice any banding with real content. It's advertised to have an 8-bit panel, but we can achieve 10-bit in the EDID of the monitor, so it may be 8-bit with FRC, but we don't know for sure. The max refresh rate with a 10-bit source over a DisplayPort connection is 300Hz, and 144Hz over an HDMI connection.


This one the same 10bit mode at gradient:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revie...-360hz-pg259qn
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The 360Hz is only achievable over a DisplayPort connection, and it caps out at 300Hz with 10-bit HDR. Over HDMI, the maximum refresh rate is 240Hz and 120Hz with 10-bit HDR. G-SYNC works over HDMI and DisplayPort.
The 10bit mode limits refresh rates.So they can't advertise the monitors as 10bit because the refresh rates are changed.

So after all seems there are 10bit 1080p gaming monitors. This is intersting.The DCI-p3 and Adobe RGB are around 76% coverage...


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https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests...lity/gradients



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400 bux or less
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Flat?

Add the 10bit and 1.07 billion colors to.These monitors with those two features added are made for multipurpose content creation and gaming.The 1440p is the popular resolution for content creators market.So you will get color accuracy, wider gamut color guaranteed. with this.Of course it costs a bit more and there is a limitation in refresh rates in 10bit.
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I recently purchased the LG 27 GL850-B.

Very nice monitor so far.

i am glad that you didn't skimp on image quality
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If you choose a monitor with HDR600 spec or higher, it has to support 10-bit. So another method to help narrow the search is to look at monitors with at least the HDR600 spec.
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Went with the cheaper LG 27GL83A-B which for all intents and purpose is a 27GL850-B without the usb hub which I have no use for on a monitor. A couple friends have the same monitor and one of them says its the bees knees :3

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Went with the cheaper LG 27GL83A-B which for all intents and purpose is a 27GL850-B without the usb hub which I have no use for on a monitor. A couple friends have the same monitor and one of them says its the bees knees :3

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https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gl83a-b

This needs calibration very bad...
With calibration it jumped from mark 7.7 to 9.6.It is a 10bit monitor.
Enjoy!
Also you mean the 2021 but made a joke ? :P
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Anyway what AOC did with their very popular 24G2 model says alot about the market trend in the 1080p segment.

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https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gl83a-b

This needs calibration very bad...
With calibration it jumped from mark 7.7 to 9.6.It is a 10bit monitor.
Enjoy!
Also you mean the 2021 but made a joke ? :P
Nope I mean 2012 when the first 144hz monitor was released. Always a day late a dollar short and lethargic due to extreme blood loss due to wading through this thread after you decided to muck it up

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Nope I mean 2012 when the first 144hz monitor was released. Always a day late a dollar short and lethargic due to extreme blood loss due to wading through this thread after you decided to muck it up


I take that as a compliment.
After looking at Rtings review of your monitor there are big chances you already entered in the panel loterry.The fact that there is such a big difference color pre-calibration and post calibration is fishy.Why the heck they just don't calibrate it out of the factory at it's maximum color potential.The user must spend another 200$ to buy a colorimeter to get the most out.Also black uniformity is looking bad.It feels like it is treated like low end version of 1440p.
I have a feeling if you use 8-bit setting intentionally you may get higher refresh rates.

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Seems the more expensive models LG 27GL850-B vs LG 27GN850-B have the same pre-calibration mark and more or less same black uniformity.Is this trend intentionally just to make the average users buy colorimeters too ?

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools...50-b/912/14623
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I take that as a compliment.
After looking at Rtings review of your monitor there are big chances you already entered in the panel loterry.The fact that there is such a big difference color pre-calibration and post calibration is fishy.Why the heck they just don't calibrate it out of the factory at it's maximum color potential.The user must spend another 200$ to buy a colorimeter to get the most out.Also black uniformity is looking bad.It feels like it is treated like low end version of 1440p.
I have a feeling if you use 8-bit setting intentionally you may get higher refresh rates.

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Seems the more expensive models LG 27GL850-B vs LG 27GN850-B have the same pre-calibration mark and more or less same black uniformity.Is this trend intentionally just to make the average users buy colorimeters too ?

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools...50-b/912/14623
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I take that as a compliment.
After looking at Rtings review of your monitor there are big chances you already entered in the panel loterry.The fact that there is such a big difference color pre-calibration and post calibration is fishy.Why the heck they just don't calibrate it out of the factory at it's maximum color potential.The user must spend another 200$ to buy a colorimeter to get the most out.Also black uniformity is looking bad.It feels like it is treated like low end version of 1440p.
I have a feeling if you use 8-bit setting intentionally you may get higher refresh rates.

Later edit:

Seems the more expensive models LG 27GL850-B vs LG 27GN850-B have the same pre-calibration mark and more or less same black uniformity.Is this trend intentionally just to make the average users buy colorimeters too ?

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools...50-b/912/14623
Because 90% of people are not working in an environment where it will be noticeable. And the 10% who are will have a colorimeter and always calibrate even if it's factory calibrated.
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Because 90% of people are not working in an environment where it will be noticeable. And the 10% who are will have a colorimeter and always calibrate even if it's factory calibrated.

This trend of "is not noticeable" still serve some manufacturers well.AOC seems to know this very well with their latest revision for 24G2 as you can see in the above video.
At least with the advent of HDR there is a chance the market will move to 10bit in a couple of years.

It seems that Dell / Alienware consider that it is actually noticeable because the AW2521H has a 9.1 mark pre-calibration and not 7.6 like the LG's 1440p above. Either the sample was very lucky but I tend to think that is not lucky because the price.

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The Dell Alienware AW2521H has outstanding out-of-the-box accuracy, but this may vary between units. There are hardly any inaccuracies with white balance and most colors. Gamma follows the target curve well, but some scenes may be too dark. The color temperature is on the cold side, giving the image a blueish tint.
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The accuracy after calibration is exceptional. Any remaining inaccuracies can't be spotted without the aid of a colorimeter, and the color temperature is almost spot-on with our 6500K target. The gamma is a bit worse than before calibration, as some scenes are over-brightened, but most people won't notice a difference.
Anyway kudos to them. If Dell can do it on a 1080p resolution monitor well ... why not LG can't do it on those 1440p ones ?
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