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Old Dec 24, 2003, 07:11 PM   #1
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Default Firebird or Mozilla vs. I.E. ???

Just curious who runs Firebird or Mozilla over I.E. and if so, why?

I'm kinda forcing myself to use Firebird, just for the experance using something other then I.E. (which I happen to like too). Anyway I like Firebird (and Mozilla) and I was just curious who's running these browers.

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Old Dec 24, 2003, 07:49 PM   #2
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I like IE for the Zones. I like that it just seems to work.

I like a LOT about Mozilla, but the fact that it still does not properly support
Auto-Scroll, even with plug-ins, is just flat-out annoying.

It also does not render some pages right, even though it is true that IE has
custom extensions and stuff, but still, I want my pages looking the right way.

Mozilla could have been so much better, but it feels so "slapped together"
and some of the config screens are just antiquated.

Lots of unrealized potential. So, I use IE and it gets the job done.
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Old Dec 24, 2003, 08:39 PM   #3
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I like a LOT about Mozilla, but the fact that it still does not properly support
Auto-Scroll, even with plug-ins, is just flat-out annoying.
Firebird now has built-in autoscroll.

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Old Dec 24, 2003, 09:39 PM   #5
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Firebird 0.7 here, 0.8 should be out soon too. I tried the 0.8 test from dec22 and it very nice but not quite bug free yet. Much better page rendering however.

TheMonkeyBoyz: have you tried Firebirds built-in autoscroll? I works great!
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I use Firbird 0.7 now. IE is good because everyone designs their pages to be viewed in this and the pages get rendered as they want - not always coded right however. Mozilla is ok but really firbird is much better for me its good because
-Imports all of IE's bookmarks(not some of them like moz 1.5)
-Keeps a history thing like IE(unfortunately the searching kinda sucks)
-Cache works better with firbird, IE simply chucked a spaz on me after a while of keeping cache and it wasn't doing a great job. Firbird keeps the pages properly, except when it crashes - then you lose ALL of your cache, so I made a backup program for my cache.
-Moz has a built in web page editor and its quite good and handy to fix up little things quickly.
-Firbird has the little search page at the top right built in and I use it all the time now
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Ha, ha

Yeah, if I only has to choose one it would be IE. I've been with IE since the beginning (I'm 41 ), but I see Microsoft in the years to come being put under more and more pressure to allow intragration of other browsers, so I guess its a good time to try something else.
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Old Dec 25, 2003, 12:35 AM   #8
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Firebird 0.7 here, 0.8 should be out soon too. I tried the 0.8 test from dec22 and it very nice but not quite bug free yet. Much better page rendering however.

TheMonkeyBoyz: have you tried Firebirds built-in autoscroll? I works great!
I just downloaded .7 and while my Universal Scroll from my Logitech Driver does not work,
clicking the middle mouse button does, and the auto-scroll seems to work pretty well!

Maybe Mozilla ain't the way to go anymore, but I will try Firebird for a little while.

Sure is a lean little sucker - and I like how they have simplified the TAB management.
I bookmarked a series of sites as a tabbed group and can recall it pretty fast. Nice...

BTW, I found already that if I turn off Java and Javascript, the sites load MUCH faster.

I'll tinker with it more and get back to you.
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Further testing - the Auto Scroll is not as smooth as it is on IE in that it gets
sluggish after using it for a bit. They probably have to optimize some buffer
or something.

The rest is pretty darn good. Firebird is a big step past Mozilla in terms of
being streamlined. Heck, you don't even have to install it - you just run
the EXE and BAM - starts right up.

So far, Firebird is impressive. I'll keep an eye on it as it develops in the hopes
that it will get faster and more efficient on page-loading with Scripting on and
also with Autoscrolling long pages.

Thanks for the tip, folks!
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Default BUG REPORT

When you click the middle mouse button to activate Auto-Scroll in Firebird .7,
it should turn Auto-Scroll on.

But, if your mouse is over a link, like a linked picture, it changes to that link
instead of activating the Auto-Scroll.

Hope someone reports that nasty bug. I'm not into Firebird enough to do all
that bug stuff like I did with Mozilla.

Thanks


Feature Requests and Bugs

I would like to be able to sort the bookmarks like I do in IE, just by
right clicking on them and having it sort the directories first then the
links after them, all in alphabetical order.

Can't seem to figure out how to sort those buggers...

I would like to be able to drag and drop entries to manually sort them
when in the Bookmark Manager too, but it isn't working either.

Can't drag and drop folders in the standard bookmark view either.

Sometimes when I drag and drop entries within the bookmark menu,
links in a folder will disappear. If I shut down Firebird and restart it, they
usually show up again as if nothing happened.

Bookmarks don't look the same in all places. For instance, if I use the
Bookmarks menu, they are listed one way. If I open the Bookmarks pane on
the left side of the screen, they are listed in another order. If I open up the
Bookmark Management, they are yet in ANOTHER order. LAME!

Need to be able to drag and drop bookmarks when the bookmark pane
is open on the left side of the window. Can't do that if the "sort" feature
is on in the bookmark manager.

I guess I'm really used to the IE functionality of sorting when I tell it to
instead of locking me into the one style. Hrm...

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Old Dec 25, 2003, 08:40 AM   #11
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Thumbs up Mozilla and Firebird

I'm using both Mozilla (more because of excellent e-mail client) and Firebird. I find them much better then IE. They have cool and very usefull managers for popups, cookies, passwords, images and forms. They much better support internet standards and they support more of them. They also render pages faster (especialy Firebird is very fast). Tabs are also a must nowdays as is the better security. And maybe most importantly they also run natively in Linux. There are also other little things that I miss when I have to browse in IE like: site navigarion bar, ability to open right clicked frame only, type ahead, actialy usefull sidebar and so on. I think Mozilla and Firebird are currently the best browsers and Opera is right behind them.
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Bottom line, once IE 7 comes out with the pop-up blocker, there will be absolutely no reason for me to stay with Firebird.

Many of Firebird's features, such as tabbed browsing, are wayyy overrated, buts its still a nice browser
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Bottom line, once IE 7 comes out with the pop-up blocker, there will be absolutely no reason for me to stay with Firebird.

Many of Firebird's features, such as tabbed browsing, are wayyy overrated, buts its still a nice browser
Tabbed browsing, IMO, is not over-rated. It is one of the essential features that
makes Mozilla, Firebird and Opera worth using.

If Microsoft would reproduce the tabbed functionality of Mozilla/Firebird, including the
ability to save and recall groups of tabs, it would be a fantastic addition.
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I use Firebird, because:

It's got a great pop-up blocker that doesn't block pop-ups I want.
It's got a wide variety of extensions, my favorites being the Google Toolbar and Adblock.
It's highly configurable (type about:config in the address bar)
It doesn't allow web pages to hijack my browser or install software without permission.
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I use Firebird, because:

It's got a great pop-up blocker that doesn't block pop-ups I want.
It's got a wide variety of extensions, my favorites being the Google Toolbar and Adblock.
It's highly configurable (type about:config in the address bar)
It doesn't allow web pages to hijack my browser or install software without permission.
Good reasons all. Microsoft could learn a lot from oberserving features like those.
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Well I know I am about to get hit with flame throwers from all angles but here it goes.. There is another option to consider, MSN9.

Now before you start flaming hear me out. MSN introduced the BEST spam blocker to hit the market yet. After 30 days pof training I get ZERO spam. I even setup an account to actually test this. I applied at about a dozen porn sites and do all my registrations using that account. They all hit there and are flitered with no issue. Now it takes a few days for you to teach the filter what you consider spam but trust me folks it really does work. I have tested many others and this is the best I have seen.

Now take that great spam filter and go a step further, let it work for ANY email account you want. MSN9 added POP3 support. My MSN( account has 6 email addresses that it accesses at once, all are filed sperately and easy to find plus ALL have this spam filter working for them.

Add to this the fact that MSN is currently the only mail program I know of with built in Antivirus. For email alone MSN9 is worth the effort. But wait there is more.

Pop Up Blocking!!! Not that crap AOL tried to dish on the world, blocked anything not AOL and that was it. THis blocks EVERYTHING, including MSN based pop ups! A simple click will elt a pop up through or allow you to free the whole site. Plus you can have a preview function turned on if you like. A popup hits and a SMALL window opens showing just a hint of the pop up so you can decide if you want to see it or not. This is all configurable.

Add to all of this Parental Control that seems to work well, sure they are a lot out there but this is built in, uber easy to configure and rock solid so far.

The Dashboard on the side can be easily removed or resized as you wish. Mine has my local weather, my IM contacts that are online, set of links I go to alot, My appointment book and a to do list. You can add a ton of other features as you want them or turn the thing off completely. Again uber configurable.

Next we have a SOLID download manager. Yoi click a download and you have the choice to grab it now or schedule it for later. This is really easy to setup and if you are hitting a lot of things to download but want to do them later this is an awesome and easy to use feature. plus iot does this without a 3rd party program or spyware.

They fix an annoyance for any use of the MSN Homepage. It always started before at MSN.com. I wanted MYMSN since I had taken the time to configure it. MSN( now allows ANY homepage you want to use, AOL are you listening)

Now all of this is just the base program, thisa does not mention the Encarta Deluxe Online, the online Picture Editting software or any of the other features you get. Now in case you have not yet figured this out, this is basically AOL type software, it is a do all program. However unlike AOL this is done well. There is a fee to use the software, but I have a work around that my friends and I are using.

The software allows for 10 users. We all chipped in and bought the broadband service for 10$ a month, this came to 1 dollar a month. We then shared the primary account password and all opened our own secondary accounts. Working great for all of us.

Now I know there are purests out there that are gonna throw flames like crazy. However I am an IT professional and one of the things that is key to me is easy of use. MSN9 delivers EVERYTHING I need in one solid package with all the add-on features I would normally have to go look for. Now if they would just add tabbed browsing.
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When you click the middle mouse button to activate Auto-Scroll in Firebird .7,
it should turn Auto-Scroll on.

But, if your mouse is over a link, like a linked picture, it changes to that link
instead of activating the Auto-Scroll.
That's not really a bug. Usually, your middle mouse button is both for scrolling and for opening links in new tabs. Removing the ability to open links in new tabs would be horrible.

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I'm using both Mozilla (more because of excellent e-mail client) and Firebird.
Have you tried Thunderbird for email? It's nice. It does for Mozilla email what Firebird did for Mozilla browsing.
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Firebird and Thunderbird both work great, but it's difficult to get them working together properly. If you are going to use them both exclusivly, then you might as well just use full blown Mozilla.
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That's not really a bug. Usually, your middle mouse button is both for scrolling and for opening links in new tabs. Removing the ability to open links in new tabs would be horrible.

Have you tried Thunderbird for email? It's nice. It does for Mozilla email what Firebird did for Mozilla browsing.
Well, Microsoft seems to have no trouble doing it right.

I think simply being able to have the user turn off the "middle button opens link at new tab"
would be nice to have.

And for Thunderbird - nope. I tried Mozilla but prefer Outlook Express 6, with all
the nifty patches, like the one that allows me to read incoming mail as plain text
only, avoiding the viewing of those HTML ones.

Outlook Express 6 works for me, so I prefer to stick with what I know.
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Well, Microsoft seems to have no trouble doing it right.

I think simply being able to have the user turn off the "middle button opens link at new tab"
would be nice to have.
Type about:config in your address bar (without the space). Narrow down your results by typing middle in the filter bar, and change browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick to false.
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Firebird and Thunderbird both work great, but it's difficult to get them working together properly. If you are going to use them both exclusivly, then you might as well just use full blown Mozilla.
I use them both extensively. Never had any problems. ::shrug::

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And for Thunderbird - nope. I tried Mozilla but prefer Outlook Express 6, with all
the nifty patches, like the one that allows me to read incoming mail as plain text
only, avoiding the viewing of those HTML ones.
I prefer just turning off HTML for spam and leaving it on for legit emails.
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I use them both extensively. Never had any problems. ::shrug::
I could never get the middle click a link in a thunderbird email opens a new tab in firebird thing to work.
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As glad as I am that we do have options, and as grateful as I am to the
community for working on Mozilla, Thunderbird and Firebird, I think I'll be
sticking with IE 6.x and Outlook Express 6.x for at least the near future.

I've put a lot of time into learning how to use them both properly and
efficiently, and with the exception of the TABS and POP-UP Blocker, I
do not see a compelling need to deviate from my established apps...
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Type about:config in your address bar (without the space). Narrow down your results by typing middle in the filter bar, and change browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick to false.
Does not work for some reason, but I did find the ALL.JS file and change it there manually.

Seems that it ends up opening the link still, but only this time in a new browser window.

I would prefer to be able to disable the Middle Click link functionality alltogether so that
no matter where I click that middle button, it activates the built-in Auto-Scroll instead of
trying to open a link.

Thank you for the tip. I do wish it had worked as I had expected.

I'll keep testing Firebird as time goes forward. After all, it does not even require an actual
installation. All you do is make a shortcut to the EXE and launch it from whereever it resides.
That is about as painless and non-invasive as one could hope for in todays software world.
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Does not work for some reason, but I did find the ALL.JS file and change it there manually.

Seems that it ends up opening the link still, but only this time in a new browser window.

I would prefer to be able to disable the Middle Click link functionality alltogether so that
no matter where I click that middle button, it activates the built-in Auto-Scroll instead of
trying to open a link.
Go back to about:config and type in middle in the filter box. Set middlemouse.openNewWindow to false. In fact, since you don't like using the middle mouse button for anything other than autoscroll, you may as well disable everything related to it.

If you don't like the way Mozilla Firebird (or any Mozilla product, for that matter) works, chances are that you can change it to your liking in about:config
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Go back to about:config and type in middle in the filter box. Set middlemouse.openNewWindow to false. In fact, since you don't like using the middle mouse button for anything other than autoscroll, you may as well disable everything related to it.

If you don't like the way Mozilla Firebird (or any Mozilla product, for that matter) works, chances are that you can change it to your liking in about:config
Will give it a shot, if for no other reason than tinkering is fun.

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firebird... built-in pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing, displays everything correctly... I love it Especially when using Linux
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displays everything correctly...
Really, cause I found that about 10% of the pages I go to did NOT display correctly with it...
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I could never get the middle click a link in a thunderbird email opens a new tab in firebird thing to work.
Oh, I never even tried. Not really a deal-breaker for me, but that would be cool if it worked.

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Really, cause I found that about 10% of the pages I go to did NOT display correctly with it...
10%? Wow, what kinds of pages do you go to?
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