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Old May 27, 2010, 08:54 PM   #31
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Just got done pressure washing the engine bay. I also got a free M24 rear subframe minus diff, gonna see if theres any parts i can use to get 5 lug out back. Also picked up E36 M3 spindles. Really enjoying working on this project so far. A local friend is going to try to find me the E34 oil pan+pickup+dipstick for a fair price.

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Thats gonna be crazy. Can you show us some more pics of the damage to your 03? I just don't see how thats possible from a first tier manufacture like BMW.

I like the 03 looks better but this thing is going to be a sleeper for sure.


That's an 8" wide hole.


That's the mount diagonal to the 8" wide hole, breaking as well. Only 2 mounts solidly held the rear subframe in, the other 2 were ruined. The damage is 5-7k worth of damage to fix properly, car is only worth 6-7k in mint condish.

The whole piece of sheet metal(seen here, from another car who had a similar tear)

Is actually trying to tear itself out of the car, it's literally coming unwelded. I've never tracked the car, it was almost entirely stock, suspension wise for the majority of the time I owned the car.
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Old May 27, 2010, 08:59 PM   #32
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You should have just sold it to someone who wouldn't have known what to look for and was after a keychain to dangle in front of people. Or traded it in at a used or new car lot, since I doubt they'd even look at it that closely.
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Old May 27, 2010, 09:04 PM   #33
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You should have just sold it to someone who wouldn't have known what to look for and was after a keychain to dangle in front of people. Or traded it in at a used or new car lot, since I doubt they'd even look at it that closely.
No way, it was a death trap, I'd never want to be responsible for that. What I'm doing is far far more satisfying, building a dedicated track car for the win.
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Old May 28, 2010, 06:16 AM   #34
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You should have just sold it to someone who wouldn't have known what to look for and was after a keychain to dangle in front of people. Or traded it in at a used or new car lot, since I doubt they'd even look at it that closely.
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Old May 28, 2010, 10:20 AM   #35
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That's insane. How much cars of this particular year did this problem affect, percentage wise?
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Old May 28, 2010, 10:59 AM   #36
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That's insane. How much cars of this particular year did this problem affect, percentage wise?
There is no official number, BMW won't even admit any wrong-doing, they only settled so they could make it go away quickly.
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Old May 30, 2010, 04:31 PM   #37
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Got the rear subframe out of the E30 and did some measuring. The E24 subframe I got would fit under the E30 no sweat, like you said, the mounts are about half an inch apart. The only thing I have to do to fit it is grind down the bead along the side of the subframe by the mounts on each side, and only a tiny bit of it would need to come off. Probably would patch it up with a weld, so it doesn't cause an issue structurally... I'm concerned about the spot where the shock/spring mounts on the E24... With the E30, the shock mounts below the axle, on the E24, it mounts directly above the axle, so I'm concerned it's going to cause some headache when I get the subframe mounted in the car. I also measured how far from the subframe mount the rear wheel was on the E24 rear end versus the E30, and it'd move the wheel rearwards about 1/4", maybe slightly less, so I don't think that's an area of much concern.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 04:49 PM   #38
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The 01 BMW will be paid off tomorrow!
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Old Jul 10, 2010, 03:15 PM   #39
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So the 01 is paid off, and I'm sorting through the wiring trying to get it out of the car so I can figure out what i do and don't need to get the engine running... I've figured out the part for the ignition system, the sensor is the ring around the actual key itself. I've got most of the dash stripped out, however I can't remove the main dash support/cage because it's permanently attached to the steering column via a nasty bolt/rivet thing... I also got the E30 back on its wheels ago so it can move into the garage. I removed the diff from the E30 as well, and found out I have a 2.93:1 limited slip diff. The gearing will likely be swapped for a 3.73 or so, but having the limited slip to start with will save me tons of money.
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86 is in the garage now, 01 is ready to be towed off. Decided not to use the 01's electronics after all, going to use the ECU off of an M50, with an M44 crank angle sensor, and a special circuit board to control the exhaust side VANOS(since the M50 ECU is a single VANOS ECU). I'm also contemplating just making this a turbo build from the start, wouldn't need much, less than 10psi(especially since it's 10:1 compression), and I can easily get an exhaust manifold that will mate to my engine, and piece together my own kit.
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I haven't really been reading what you've been writing because I know absolutely nothing about cars, but I am anxiously awaiting the end result and some good pics or a video.
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Old Jul 11, 2010, 06:56 PM   #42
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It's gonna be a while, I'm in no hurry
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Purchased the trans brace/mount I need to complete this swap tonight. Guy that makes them usually charges 75, but put them on sale for 50 until tonight, so I snagged one. Basically, the new engine will change the angle the trans mounts in the car, so this mount allows for that change.
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The 01 is now gone It really pisses me off to no end that BMW designed the rear subframe mounts so poorly, and basically forced me to have to get rid of one of my favorite cars ever. Words can't even fully describe how pissed I've been about this...
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Forgot to post these yesterday, this is my 150k 330's cylinder head. Clean.


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Old Aug 3, 2010, 08:32 PM   #48
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Picked up the oil pan today. Just by chance searched for M50 last night on CraigsList, and the oil pan I needed was the very first listing, listed 1 hour before, contacted the guy, picked it up today for $100. They cost 250-300 anywhere else. Gonna drop the engine off at the mechanic soon to have the oil pickup tube made, then the engine will be able to physically go into the car.
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Enjoying the thread adam. Man you are multi talented; guitars, PC's, cars, etc...
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What all happened with your Pathy there anyway? Im interested to hear about that some. Ive been doing a lot of work to ours here in the past 3 weeks.

Interested to swap pics maybe.
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What all happened with your Pathy there anyway? Im interested to hear about that some. Ive been doing a lot of work to ours here in the past 3 weeks.

Interested to swap pics maybe.
I've posted a lot about the Pathfinder on here Saturday the transmission decided it would rather be stuck in Drive at all times, and try to downshift to 1st gear from 45-50mph. Have to force it to work right using D1 and D2, but can't go past D2 or it'll try to downshift. Lever works fine, trans is just done for. Going to be doing a manual swap on it.
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Engine is at the mechanic's to have the custom oil pickup tube made and I got the transmission brace in today(swap can't use the stock brace because the trans would be at the wrong angle).
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Plans have evolved for this build. Engine is going to be rebuilt, and I'm going turbo. This will make the build take longer, but I'm quite alright with this, 400+ rwhp in a 2000lb car will be insanity. I'm already working out the details, but I'll either be running lower compression pistons or a thicker head gasket, we'll see. This is the turbo I'll eventually be purchasing:

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m..._Code=Turbo-FP

Based on the Garret GT30R, should be a beast. Probably going to be using this exhaust manifold as well:



Specs of the manifold:

-Manifolds are top mount and will fit any M5X/S5X based engines in our E30's.
-Made from 1/8" stainless steel.
-T3 based and designed to fit the large T04E compressor housing.
-External V band wastegate to fit up to 44mm gate.
-tig welded
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-will not interfere with your a/c.
-weight is 18lbs meaning that it's a heavy duty manifold and not cheaply made.
-2 year warranty against cracking

Here it is attached to an engine with a turbo bolted to it:



The engine sits at a 60 degree angle, so it will still clear the hood. Pretty excited about this build, but I'm not in a rush.
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I have a friend that works at FP.

I would suggest going lower compression pistons. Built right, and less to go wrong.
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Jesus! What the hell do you drive anyway? your pathfinders getting a new transmission and this thing is going off the deep end. Do you have like a scooter or something you use to pick up parts.
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Jesus! What the hell do you drive anyway? your pathfinders getting a new transmission and this thing is going off the deep end. Do you have like a scooter or something you use to pick up parts.
Right now I use my sister's car, Pathfinder can technically still drive though if I need it that badly, just nothing over 40-45mph, and it'll eat gas like mad because it can't go past 2nd gear. Pathfinder should be up and running with the 3.3l and the manual in the first weekend of September, I'll be out of town from the 13th to the 22nd anyways.
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Old Aug 10, 2010, 11:16 PM   #58
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I would suggest going lower compression pistons. Built right, and less to go wrong.
I'll also be looking into boring+sleeving the block, I may just bump it up to a 3.2l boring it to the same bore as the S52 from the previous generation M3... That would allow me to run pistons from that model engine as well. The engine already runs the S52 crank, the .2l displacement only comes from the bore, same stroke and such.
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Old Aug 12, 2010, 05:43 PM   #59
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Just got the engine back, the oil pump nut was loose, he welded it on. The pan is now attached and the oil pickup is made. I'll have to take the pan back off at some point though, I didn't get a chance to relay to him to leave the pan off it, no worries though, a gasket is cheap. I talked a lot of shop with him, threw some of my ideas out there. I'm probably going to go with a .85mm thick head gasket to bump the compression down a tad, I'll likely be going forged pistons and upgrading the rods as well. I talked to him about boring/sleeving it to 3.2, but the gains wouldn't really be worth the cost. I also talked ECU and tuning, and he's convinced I can run the MS43 without having to have all of the other stuff like EWS, meaning I wouldn't need to use the key, he's telling me there are ways to trick the ECU, so if he's correct, I'll probably still wind up running the stock ECU and tuning it for the boost. He also said it'd be a more reliable ECU than the older M50 and S50 ECU, and another benefit would be not having to hack up the wiring harness, and I could run both VANOS's that way. We'll see, I'm sure I'll be sitting down and talking with him more about this as the swap progresses. He also mentioned a cast exhaust manifold that's supposed to be excellent for these types of projects, but he couldn't remember the company name, so he's going to be looking that up for me. He seems as excited about my project as I am, and I'm not even going to be putting any money in his pocket besides the trade of the E46 shell with its torn rear subframe mounts
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Probably won't be using the manifold I posted earlier, my mechanic has convinced me that a cast manifold is a better way to go, although it'd mean I'd have to go internal wastegate instead of external, but that's not really a problem. The cast manifold will also allow me to mount the turbo under the engine instead of above it, meaning it'll give me more room under the hood, and will be easier to insulate.
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