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Old Aug 14, 2019, 09:56 AM   #91
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I'm sure there's plenty of evidence on pedophile island, which the FBI already raided this week.
I hope so, but I want the maximum possible. His life was only ever worth what we could have gotten out of him, and I think there was still more. I wanted to see everyone dragged down into that pit, then we could have threw away all that societal pussy **** and had a sweet public hanging one after the other
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Old Aug 14, 2019, 12:46 PM   #92
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I'm sure there's plenty of evidence on pedophile island, which the FBI already raided this week.
took them to long to raid it, anything incriminating is long gone.

Someone flew a drone around it a few weeks ago, photos showed computers inside some of the windows, and then earlier last week again and everything was already removed before the FBI showed up.
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Old Aug 14, 2019, 01:13 PM   #93
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Personally, I think he offed himself after his lawyer advised him to prepare some lube because he's going to be a resident of Cellblock-Fudgepack for many years. He went from a millionaire lifestyle constantly surrounded by glitz and glamor hobnobbing among societies elite, to living with mold, shi*, nob-slobbing, and the societies worst.

Going from 100-0 in an instant with no chance of recovery could easily be enough for him to want to end it all, knowing he was ****ed, figuratively and (soon) literally.
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I say the butler did it in the library with the candlestick!!
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Old Aug 14, 2019, 04:12 PM   #96
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Possible, sure. Likely? Not really, not in my opinion.

Killing Epstein won't stop anything.
Wait,... what?

He is a material witness... Unless they find ALL the girls, everything else is hearsay...
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Old Aug 14, 2019, 04:16 PM   #97
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No one said it wasn’t complex
A few years ago, a series of leaks in the prison system was found
providing information, equipment (phones, etc) and money
to a major prisoner in Canada's system. All that was needed
was one person and the guy who mows the lawn (proximity to all walls/fences.)

As for conspiracy theories, when he was prosecuted in 2008, the DA got many calls
to drop the charges. Epstein was absolutely on a lot of people radar.
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The FBI had a previous raid on his notes and documents. This second raid was to gather what was left and to shore things up. At leas that was what I heard on the radio today. But that was some local feed reading AP stuff so who knows what that really is.
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Wait,... what?

He is a material witness... Unless they find ALL the girls, everything else is hearsay...
Uh... you can do a lot without the witness himself. You can work with evidence from others involved, other witnesses, other evidence (he apparently kept a collection of DVDs as blackmail). You don't NEED him to identify and prosecute others for crimes.
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Uh... you can do a lot without the witness himself. You can work with evidence from others involved, other witnesses, other evidence (he apparently kept a collection of DVDs as blackmail). You don't NEED him to identify and prosecute others for crimes.
The problem is: How many were actual pimps, and how many were honey pots.

Only he knows.

Even if he documents stuff, he is not considered a reliable witness
as blackmail was his game.

Neutral evidence is OK, like the FAA records of an ex president taking
trips on "The Plane" on multiple occasions, as the FAA has no skin in the game.

He was shady wall to wall so EVERYONE has a door out.

Of course, he could severely reduce his sentence by incriminating other parties
and is often the case in third party crimes.

Time will tell, but many moving parts and defence points...
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I swear I posted once in this thread, which was an article about the guards and the warden, and my post is gone. I didn't mention Clinton or Trump, so why was my post deleted?
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Had some drinks with my detective friends after golf tonight. All of them think he was killed.
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Had some drinks with my detective friends after golf tonight. All of them think he was killed.
At this point you'd have to be pretty dull not to bet on him being killed/transfered (or at least consider it as a possibility). I see people using Occam's razor entirely wrong here. Occam's razor would dictate that given all the 'coincidences' the most likely/simple scenario is that they aren't.

Could it be a simple suicide? Sure, but we are talking probability here.
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The way he hung himself has been described. He was on his knees,
Sounds pretty hard to do. He would need to fight the reflex to stand up...

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he didn't need to put his whole body weight on the sheets. His room had a bunk bed.
Maybe the force was not very strong, just enough to asphyxiate... But then again...

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The Washington Post spoke to Jonathan Arden, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, who said a broken hyoid bone — which is near the Adam’s apple — is more common in strangulation murders than suicidal hangings.

“If, hypothetically, the hyoid bone is broken, that would generally raise questions about strangulation, but it is not definitive and does not exclude suicidal hanging,” said Arden, who is not involved with the Epstein autopsy.

Numerous studies were also cited by the paper that found hyoid bone breaks were found in the minority of suicidal hangings. One such study conducted from 2010 to 2013 that looked at suicidal hangings in India found that hyoid damage was present in just 16 of 264 cases.
He was on his knees? And still "suffered multiple broken neck bones"?
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1.) He has multiple broken neck bones. With either by hanging or strangulation. The method of hanging wouldn't cause those broken neck bones.

2.) By procedure someone removed from suicide watch must have a cell mate or someone present in the cell at all times. The cellmate was quickly removed and no reason given before the suicide.

3.) The guards were missing for 3 hours. 2 of them, the excuse? They were suffering from exhaustion for being on overtime.

4.) The warden has been moved from the prison temporarily by William Barr.

I'm pretty sure Oswald did it.
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1.) He has multiple broken neck bones. With either by hanging or strangulation. The method of hanging wouldn't cause those broken neck bones.

2.) By procedure someone removed from suicide watch must have a cell mate or someone present in the cell at all times. The cellmate was quickly removed and no reason given before the suicide.

3.) The guards were missing for 3 hours. 2 of them, the excuse? They were suffering from exhaustion for being on overtime.

4.) The warden has been moved from the prison temporarily by William Barr.

I'm pretty sure Oswald did it.
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...-old-boss.html

Shady interview with his former driver/bodyguard. It seems like someone is making sure he doesn't talk. The guy seems legit scared.
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Shady interview with his former driver/bodyguard. It seems like someone is making sure he doesn't talk. The guy seems legit scared.
Nah bro. Occam's razor
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Nah bro. Occam's razor
He legit won't even acknowledge stuff he previously said and warns the interviewer about asking about/diving too deep into certain topics.
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Nah bro. Occam's razor
Occam's razor is fine, people just misused it. (Also Occam's Razor isn't an absolute, more like a useful guideline)
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He legit won't even acknowledge stuff he previously said and warns the interviewer about asking about/diving too deep into certain topics.
I was being sarcastic
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this reminds me of a old bad joke

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this reminds me of a old bad joke

stabbed 27 times in the back ………..

…………..Sheriff " damnedest suicide i ever saw"
I don't think anyone killed him, but I do believe he was most certainly given the opportunity to do it himself.
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Getting this topic back on track... So about being in federal prison...

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However, don't do this if it will end up getting you thrown in prison...



Curio was right - This is totally about Office Space.
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The more assumptions one has to make, the more unlikely an explanation. That's all I've ever meant by it.

Doesn't mean that him being offed is impossible nor did I ever argue that it was impossible.
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Sure but multiple neck fractures from a 4 ft hanging is a helluva scenario...

Remember that even with a proper gauntlet, there were various reports of people
surviving long drop hangings.....
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Yeah sorry I should have used my crystal ball to know that information a day before it was released when I made the Occam's Razor comment.

I never said that probabilities don't change with new information.

Also the report actually says that it still happens in hanging, just not often.
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