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Old Feb 18, 2006, 12:24 PM   #1
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Intel looks to introduce a new architecture to put them ahead of AMD's processors.

Intel expects its forthcoming Conroe and Merom chips to deliver a performance advantage of at least 20 percent over chips from Advanced Micro Devices that are slated to be released at the same time, an Intel executive said Friday.
Next month's Intel Developer Forum will include a thorough airing of the company's new design philosophies, said Mooly Eden, vice president and general manager of Intel's Mobile Platforms Group. The company plans to brief hardware developers, partners, and analysts on the nitty-gritty details of its new microarchitecture, which is set to replace Intel's blueprints for desktop, mobile and server processors.
20% improvement?? I'll believe it when I see it.


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Would not be surprising to me.

I do understand that AMD has been faster and a better bang for the buck for some time, but it would seem that an ebb and flow between the two would be likely.
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"We believe we'll be able to open a major gap,"

They are not saying just an increase with that statement. I doubt they would make that statement without prehand knowledge of the situation. Would seem kind of foolish. But it also remains possible that AMD may make some changes and release something they had previously not intended too, just to keep the speed up and competition closer.
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Yeah, I don't expect AMD to hold on to such a lead for too much longer. That's not to say they won't take it back next year or in 2008.

It's about damn time Intel! Now that we might have some competition in the industry again let the games begin.
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Yeah, I don't expect AMD to hold on to such a lead for too much longer. That's not to say they won't take it back next year or in 2008.

It's about damn time Intel! Now that we might have some competition in the industry again let the games begin.
There wasn't any competition before? Are you ?
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translation:
AMD will still win a few tests, we'll be 5% faster overall only. Sorry for the hype.

few months later on:
AMD makes the same claim. Translation to AMD's claim:

"we're now 5% faster than intel, nothing you haven't seen before folks. They'll beat us next round, but we'll win the odd ones"
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There wasn't any competition before? Are you ?
hahaha qfmt.

I wonder if heat will still be an issue for the newer chips. Intel always rates their chips like 5-10c lower than what they usually run at ive noticed.
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^^^Heat has become a real issue with Intel desktop CPUs from what I've seen. When I got my P4 3.0E a year ago, I was like, "42C idle? Oh well..."

I got an Athlon 64 3000+ and expected an AMD to run hotter than Intels naturally...

My 3000+ idles at 37C !
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Ive had a wee bit of a diff exp. Working at 'crap store', i always noticed intels running hotter, even in same case with same cooler. I have a 3.0e and well as the 3.4e either /w zalmann 80m copper and 120m copper respectivly and man o man, those things still ran warm.

agreed though /w the amds. when i got my 3200 and then recently the 3500 venice, ...thems run cool. round 35 with a deec oc to it

EDIT: mind u this is with northwoods/prescotts and up on the intel side and barton and up on amds
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The AMD runs hotter than Intel days are long past, it is absolutely the other way round now.

I don't understand how Intel is going to pull out a huge lead over AMD. With Socket M2 and higher RAM speeds, there will be more bandwidth to play with (which I understand is the reason behind the limits of current Intel performance) so they have all that new platform to expand into, whereas intel already maxxed out. I'm going to enjoy watching this, as I'll be able to have the best of both worlds - work is Dell country, so we'll get the best Intel offerings, and I can buy myself the AMD stuff
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^^^Yes, because Intel has reached the limit of their possible knowledge and they can't make a new socket .
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^^^Yes, because Intel has reached the limit of their possible knowledge and they can't make a new socket .

^^^ Yes because AMD can't make a new socket and be just as far ahead too.

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^^^Relax fanboy. I'm not saying they can't. If you read my sig, you'll see that I AMD. However, you make it sound like Intel can no longer get ahead of AMD.
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Fanboy? Smeg off, how do you figure? You make it sound like all I said was Intel can't. I actually said I don't see how they are going to get 20% ahead. I also said that I'll be using both AMD and Intel.
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Its called a Upgraded Dothan...

Toss a Pentium M into a desktop board with a good cooler, and at the same clock speed you will game faster than the Amd alternative.

Add in a bunch of core optimizations, native desktop goodies. 20% over current AMD's isn't that hard of a push...
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Its called a Upgraded Dothan...
Edit: Q3/2006 Conroe Specs:

E6700: 2.67GHz /1066Mhz FSB /dual core CPU /4MB Cache
E6600: 2.40GHz /1066Mhz FSB /dual core CPU /4MB Cache
E6500: 2.40GHz /1066Mhz FSB /dual core CPU /2MB Cache
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E6300: 1.86GHz /1066Mhz FSB /dual core CPU /2MB Cache

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That's 20% faster in gaming? If so that will certainly be interesting.

I'd consider Intel again. I got into overclocking with a P4 3.0c.
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^^^ I never overclocked a CPU before. After my second CPU purchase (Celeron Northwood 2.4GHz) I decided that I'd NEVER buy an underpowered CPU for myself again. That way I won't have to upgrade for at least 4-5 years.
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^^^Heat has become a real issue with Intel desktop CPUs from what I've seen. When I got my P4 3.0E a year ago, I was like, "42C idle? Oh well..."

I got an Athlon 64 3000+ and expected an AMD to run hotter than Intels naturally...

My 3000+ idles at 37C !
I can get my 3400+(2.4GHz) to idle at 27C! You should put your power management to "minimal power usage" and see the CnQ goodness.
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I can get my 3400+(2.4GHz) to idle at 27C! You should put your power management to "minimal power usage" and see the CnQ goodness.
Doesn't "minimal power usage" mean that its frequency fluctuates depending on load?

I remember that ASUS Cool n Quiet used to make my P4 overheat!
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I can get my 3400+(2.4GHz) to idle at 27C! You should put your power management to "minimal power usage" and see the CnQ goodness.
Wow thats sweet. Least ive ever seen is 41*C @ 3.8Ghz
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Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest will be nothing to sneeze at, if Intel hits their clockspeed targets and enhancements on the compiler side of things are there to back it up. Increasing the instructon issue-width to 4 (from 3), beefing up the FP/SSE performance, and enlarging L2 caches (from Yonah, anyway) all add up to a *significant* IPC improvement over even Yonah, let alone Dothan - especially in FP/SSE-intensive code (like games). I'm really looking forward to these chips, and I'm an admitted AMD fanboy.
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^^^I heard once that most applicatoins wouldn't even use the full 2mb cache available in a P4 Prescott.
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Doesn't "minimal power usage" mean that its frequency fluctuates depending on load?

I remember that ASUS Cool n Quiet used to make my P4 overheat!
Pretty much, yeah. Depending on the load, eg web-browsing or word processing, the Vcore goes down to 1-1.1V, then when you do some gaming or open up photoshop, the Vcore jumps back up to 1.5V.
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Never had issues with overclocking.

My 3.0c running at 3.75 was anything but underpowered, relatively speaking.

That being said I am glad I went AMD because not only do they often have the FPS edge in games they also spend much less time crashing into unplayable ranges. This article explained nicely what I am talking about:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1854918,00.asp

Of course we will see how these Intels do. I will certainly give them a chance.

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The cpu uses the cache not applications
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Old Feb 18, 2006, 09:35 PM   #27
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The cpu uses the cache not applications
Obviously. I mean that the CPU isn't pushed to use the full 2MB.
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Old Feb 18, 2006, 09:39 PM   #28
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Obviously. I mean that the CPU isn't pushed to use the full 2MB.
I was just messen, yeah thats true. But look at a Northwood and a Northwood EE, games and apps defently do. Just that with 31pipes they need atleast 4MB or 4.5Ghz+ clocks to be efficent like amds.
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When the coppermine was about to come out, Intel said they were 5 years ahead of AMD, and could at any time release a faster chip. People fell for it.

Prescott was supposed to be 40% better than the K8 when they announced it. I remember them spoonfeeding that lie to the partners at the investor meeting. Less people fell for that.

So is 20% a more believable number? Im sorry, the company that cried wolf has to wait until I can see for myself now. I dont believe much intel says.
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When the coppermine was about to come out, Intel said they were 5 years ahead of AMD, and could at any time release a faster chip. People fell for it.

Prescott was supposed to be 40% better than the K8 when they announced it. I remember them spoonfeeding that lie to the partners at the investor meeting. Less people fell for that.

So is 20% a more believable number? Im sorry, the company that cried wolf has to wait until I can see for myself now. I dont believe much intel says.
You understand they have changed alot since Greg Barrett left. They know they need to make faster chips that consume less power, and they will.
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