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Old Nov 19, 2020, 02:57 PM   #1
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Specs and numbers and benches pls and thanks

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Old Nov 19, 2020, 04:07 PM   #2
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Specs and numbers and benches pls and thanks

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I suspect with time, because of AMD's iron grip on the console market, we will see more and more Fidelity FX titles on PC. A new golden age for Radeon for sure.
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Old Nov 19, 2020, 04:18 PM   #3
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OK Bill you called me out on AMD drivers at launch and in general. Here are a few of the known issues with the latest (6800) driver.

1. Metro Exodus™, Shadow of the Tomb Raider™, Battlefield™ V, Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare and Call of Duty®: Black Ops Cold War may experience intermittent application crashes with DirectX® Raytracing enabled.

Oops that a big bug for 6800 cards. So RT basically not usable yet in the only games that support 6800. Ergo it's broke and doesn't work properly now there's a shock

2 Anisotropic Filtering in Radeon Software graphics settings is not taking effect in DirexctX®9 applications on RDNA graphics products.

Someone mentioned this in a previous post and it's still not fixed. Not a big one but maybe worth mentioning that they've not bothered fixing it.
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OK Higgy about two people managed to buy one on launch day. I think this should still be the unofficial page as it was a massive paper launch. I noticed you didn't call it the owners thread

I'll try and buy an AIB 6800XT next Wednesday but if not possible I'm giving up and will wait until next year and then see which is more available, the 6800XT or 3080. Toss of a coin really. Lost faith in AMD after yesterday TBH. They fed us total BS IMHO. Just my 2c's.
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OK Bill you called me out on AMD drivers at launch and in general. Here are a few of the known issues with the latest (6800) driver.

1. Metro Exodus™, Shadow of the Tomb Raider™, Battlefield™ V, Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare and Call of Duty®: Black Ops Cold War may experience intermittent application crashes with DirectX® Raytracing enabled.

Oops that a big bug for 6800 cards. So RT basically not usable yet in the only games that support 6800. Ergo it's broke and doesn't work properly now there's a shock

2 Anisotropic Filtering in Radeon Software graphics settings is not taking effect in DirexctX®9 applications on RDNA graphics products.

Someone mentioned this in a previous post and it's still not fixed. Not a big one but maybe worth mentioning that they've not bothered fixing it.
This is 100% trolling. That's not what the release notes say - "may" and "intermittent" is different than "not usable" and "broken". Also not being able to force AF on DX9 games from the app doesn't mean that, if you enable AF from within game it won't work. So please stop trying to initiate a flame war around here.
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Oh dear here's Gibbo from Overclockers UK's take on next Wednesday's AIB launch.

"Limited to nearly no stock. We will launch at 2pm but won't allow ordering and then later in the day we shall make ordering possible once the web traffic drops down, hopefully this plan will help prevent such crazy overselling."

A bit of a joke really from AMD. No better than Nvidia even though scum bag Azor had the temerity to say the 6800 wouldn't be a paper launch. Ha. Sack him now.
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OK Bill you called me out on AMD drivers at launch and in general. Here are a few of the known issues with the latest (6800) driver.

1. Metro Exodus™, Shadow of the Tomb Raider™, Battlefield™ V, Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare and Call of Duty®: Black Ops Cold War may experience intermittent application crashes with DirectX® Raytracing enabled.

Oops that a big bug for 6800 cards. So RT basically not usable yet in the only games that support 6800. Ergo it's broke and doesn't work properly now there's a shock

2 Anisotropic Filtering in Radeon Software graphics settings is not taking effect in DirexctX®9 applications on RDNA graphics products.

Someone mentioned this in a previous post and it's still not fixed. Not a big one but maybe worth mentioning that they've not bothered fixing it.
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AMD’s Radeon RX 6800 XT has only just been released, but it has already taken one world record in a benchmark – albeit with a caveat – and proved that those rumors about Big Navi having great overclocking potential are true.

Videocardz spotted ‘Lucky_n00b’ (Indonesian overclocker Alva Jonathan) pushing the RX 6800 XT with a boost overclock to 2.65GHz on air – in other words, just using the graphics card’s stock fans, with no fancy cooling, which is seriously impressive in itself. Although the CPU it was paired with (AMD’s Ryzen 5950X) for the 3DMark Fire Strike record on HWBOT was liquid nitrogen-cooled (and ramped up to 5.4GHz).

The resulting tally of 47,932 took top spot on HWBOT, dethroning the reigning champion GPU which was Nvidia’s mighty RTX 3090. However, note that tessellation was disabled for the Big Navi card, which isn’t allowed when it comes to 3DMark’s Hall of Fame, hence this score didn’t count for that ranking.


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Is that even netting large performance numbers? What would the performance increase be? Like 10%?
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Tessellation disabled.. and I'd chalk a good portion of that score to the LN2 5950X. You'd have to look at graphics scores to compare the GPUs.

AMD has historically been superior in Firestrike, for whatever reason. They are slower in Timespy though.. no clue why.


who cares about the score
but here they are
but 2.65GHz on air on the video card


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In terms of performance, the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT at 2.65 GHz on air scored 47932 points in 3D Mark Fire Strike which is currently the world record for any single-GPU graphics card. The GeForce RTX 3090 in comparison when overclocked to 2.385 GHz on LN2 cooling is only able to score 47725 points. This is the first time in a long while that AMD has managed to pounce NVIDIA in core clocks.

The lead is less than 0.5% for the Radeon RX 6800 XT but Air cooling vs LN2 cooling makes it quite huge for AMD. With that said, the Radeon RX 6800 XT isn't even the top AMD GPU and that title will be given to the Radeon RX 6900 XT which launches next month. We can expect the RX 6900 XT to offer even faster performance when overclocked on air and there's a good chance with LN2, these cards will be able to breach the 50K Fire Strike barrier, setting a new bar for overclockers & future GPUs.
they need to bring out a 6900 xt full watercooled card with a much higher power limit and yea maybe a 3 - 8 pin power card for say 1199

it would kill the 3090

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OK Higgy it's like George Orwell's Animal farm on this thread. All Ragers are equal but Kombatant is more equal than others and he can call people all the names he want's with no retribution. Really? He called me a troll are you too scared to call him out? You didn't hesitate with KAC. Maybe you need to understand AMD employees are not above the rules and apply them fairly. That's all I'm saying. I see his post is still up

Or is this response going to disappear too? Please take his post down and tell him that it was unacceptable and reprimand him like you did KAC. Either apply the rules or don't. Is this where AMD are going..sad really.

Otherwise ban me forever for trying to be honest and give feedback or admit anyone who for works for AMD is above God level and can't be questioned Joke.
Quit your whining and stay on topic.

I think AMD did well here and are in the top end game after being out for a long time. The massively overhyped ray tracing will get better I think. I'll be in the market early next year for an all AMD build.
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I knew it! Didnt I say it 2.6-2.7 golden sample? They really need to slap 18gbps ram on a high end model. I mean you cant have the same memory arch from 6800 to 6800xt to 6900xt... its starting to be little weird and im sure abit bottle necked but explains why the 6800 does so well with just 60 cus.

That powercolor one btw is 3 full slots but its looks heavy as hell.
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Holy schinikes.

It's gonna be great to see Steve, Jay and Paul be like WAT!? They're gonna have to do another competition round.

Beating the 3090 on LN2...with only air. HOLY COW.
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It's gonna be great to see Steve, Jay and Paul be like WAT!? They're gonna have to do another competition round.

Beating the 3090 on LN2...with only air. HOLY COW.
Yeah, I'll tune in for that one. Great times for AMD, as gamers we should all be pleased that AMD is back in force. Competition is a wonderful thing.

About that availability though.....
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Holy schinikes.

It's gonna be great to see Steve, Jay and Paul be like WAT!? They're gonna have to do another competition round.

Beating the 3090 on LN2...with only air. HOLY COW.
This is the issue with the headlines. It's not (maybe). Tessellation is off for some reason and that's making the graphics score not comparable.

The real gem in that article is the 5950X hitting 5.45Ghz on LN2 and the CPU score being tremendous. Also, holy **** 1.66v LOL
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About that availability though.....
Again, one needs patience in the year 2020.
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About AMD's RT perf it will get better :

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Anyone see Jay roast the 6800 launch? Ouch...
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Well hell yea, and it turned out to be the right choice on several levels, the top being he could actually buy one!
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the 3080 and somewhat the 3090 is in for the death of a thousand cuts in the benchmarks and news


a 6080 xt reference card hits 2.65GHz on air beats a 3090 on ln2

wait till the 25th and the aftermarket cards like the Strix and that Red Devil hit and the reviewers get them and start pushing them

and if the AMD aftermarket cards hit with better stock like some say and stock picks up by the 8th like past AMD cards after the first few weeks
and yes they are both normally slow stock to start and picking up in a few weeks NV didn't this time we will have to wait a month and see if AMD can

but the 6900 xt may well kill the 3080 ti before it is even out
and if they make aftermarket cards like a 6900 xt Red Devil it will
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the 3080 and somewhat the 3090 is in for the death of a thousand cuts in the benchmarks and news


a 6080 xt reference card hits 2.65GHz on air beats a 3090 on ln2

wait till the 25th and the aftermarket cards like the Strix and that Red Devil hit and the reviewers get them and start pushing them

and if the AMD aftermarket cards hit with better stock like some say and stock picks up by the 8th like past AMD cards after the first few weeks
and yes they are both normally slow stock to start and picking up in a few weeks NV didn't this time we will have to wait a month and see if AMD can

but the 6900 xt may well kill the 3080 ti before it is even out
and if they make aftermarket cards like a 6900 xt Red Devil it will
Billy we already heard all that non sense, it’s just not the case.
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Billy we already heard all that non sense, it’s just not the case.
But if this happens, and if those things happen, and if then that happens...
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Bots gonna buy all those too bro. Nike, please release a bunch of new jordans and wtf else ever people like to waste money on asap.
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So, after watching some more reviews:

It looks to me like for 4K you want RTX 3000 series. For 1440P and below the 6800 series looks good. At least if we're talking about rasterization. I have to wonder whether it's the limited memory bandwidth that's holding the cards back in 4K?

Ray tracing performance is passable, but a little disappointing. The lack of a DLSS equivalent really hurts, since ray tracing is basically unplayable in some games without it. I don't fully cut AMD slack on this based on it being their "first gen of ray tracing", because Nvidia didn't really see much improvement in ray tracing with Ampere, outside it simply scaling with the cards being faster. I think it's still basically 1st gen vs 1st gen and AMD's implementation is not as good. It could be newer drivers and tweaks by game developers can improve it, but the jury is still out on that one.

The efficiency is nice compared to Ampere, however not all places saw the large difference that TechPowerUp did. I guess it depends on the game? Regardless, greater efficiency is still a plus.

Overall I think the cards are priced correctly, and are a decent product, not an amazing product. (However by that same measure, Ampere is also only a decent product.)

It's still impressive that AMD is back in the game and actually is more efficient for a change. This is their most competitive card released in a long time, I'd say going back all the way to 290X released 7 years ago. Hopefully this is the start of consistent improvement on the part of AMD, which means competition will heat up again in the GPU market.

In the end how well the cards do will come down to availability. If the AIBs show up in force next week then AMD will get a lot of sales. If the GPU shortage continues then the real determination will come down to how many cards AMD and Nvidia can deliver, with both selling everything they make.
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