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Old Jan 19, 2021, 04:31 PM   #4561
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Dude you bought a 5700XT. You deserved to get shitty FPS.
In my defence I have a freesync monitor and at the time Nvidia didn't support adaptive sync. Now they do I went Nvidia RTX 3090 and I'm happy to report it plays very nicely with my monitor in G-sync compatibility. Happy chappy.
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Will be 9 months between the 2 cards
It'll be 9 months before ANY (high end) cards.
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Old Jan 20, 2021, 08:05 PM   #4563
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What do y'all reckon an RTX 3090 will be worth by say Dec 31, 2021?
Keep in mind all the MSRP are fake
What about the 3080 10GB?
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Old Jan 20, 2021, 09:51 PM   #4564
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What do y'all reckon an RTX 3090 will be worth by say Dec 31, 2021?
Keep in mind all the MSRP are fake
What about the 3080 10GB?
What do you mean all MSRP are fake?
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Old Jan 20, 2021, 09:58 PM   #4565
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What do y'all reckon an RTX 3090 will be worth by say Dec 31, 2021?
Keep in mind all the MSRP are fake
What about the 3080 10GB?
If it becomes how 2080 Ti was treated then 500 bones. However, you maybe able to sell for 700-800 due to shortage of supply of the new product through Jan of 2022.
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Old Jan 21, 2021, 12:34 AM   #4566
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What I mean is the whole $499/$699/$1499 MSRP were fake.
The AIBs came in and raised it a few hundred, then scalpers, then retailers upped some more too. Then AIBs said lets just make more, then scarcity, then up more. Then tariffs in USA, a fraction of which magically transferred over to other countries as I knew it would.

By the end all cards are like 150% MSRP. Anyways, it's staying there. I don't see prices of hardware ever dropping, and I don't just mean video cards.

I figure rtx 3090 might be about 4070 performance? So probably another $599 MSRP which ends up being $800.....
My guess is 3090 is worth $750 max in a year.
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Old Jan 21, 2021, 12:59 AM   #4567
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Old Jan 21, 2021, 09:29 AM   #4568
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Those MSRP amounts you mentioned are for the NVIDIA Founder's Editions, and yes they have always sold at MSRP when buying at authorized retailers. The problem has always just been availability.

As for AIB yes of course they were above NVIDIA's MSRP, but those prices didn't apply to AIB partners cards. This stuff is common knowledge.

Also FWIW, I got my MSI Ventus 3080 for only $700 + tax and shipping direct from my company's supplier at our cost. I think normal price was around $780 which is not too much above NVIDIA's MSRP.
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What I mean is the whole $499/$699/$1499 MSRP were fake.
The AIBs came in and raised it a few hundred, then scalpers, then retailers upped some more too. Then AIBs said lets just make more, then scarcity, then up more. Then tariffs in USA, a fraction of which magically transferred over to other countries as I knew it would.

By the end all cards are like 150% MSRP. Anyways, it's staying there. I don't see prices of hardware ever dropping, and I don't just mean video cards.

I figure rtx 3090 might be about 4070 performance? So probably another $599 MSRP which ends up being $800.....
My guess is 3090 is worth $750 max in a year.
As Meteor said the 699 and 1499 MSRP is real for FE cards and they do exist, bought two myself.
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AIB cards are usually never at exactly Founders Edition MSRP. Never have been. You're a little confused on what MSRP is, Leprechaun.
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AIB cards are usually never at exactly Founders Edition MSRP. Never have been. You're a little confused on what MSRP is, Leprechaun.
This. Best deal on Ampere was the $699 Asus TUF 3080 which has been discontinued now.
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It is not discontinued. It is available for only 850 boners.
That's the OC model, the $699 non OC is no more.
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That's the OC model, the $699 non OC is no more.
The $699 non-OC would be $800 right now anyway. ASUS price hikes across the board .. yay?
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The $699 non-OC would be $800 right now anyway. ASUS price hikes across the board .. yay?
tru.dat, gotta love tariffs....
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tru.dat, gotta love tariffs....
ASUS was so full of **** for that excuse. Look at how much EVGA raised their prices compared to ASUS. Even motherboards from ASUS seen crazy price hikes. It was a good scapegoat for them.
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That's the OC model, the $699 non OC is no more.
Check this out on @Newegg: ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 TUF-RTX3080-10G-GAMING Video Card
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And they've never had it in stock after October..... B&H said the product had been discontinued. EVGA never released their low end parts either because..... high end parts sell well.
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Selling 10 FE cards the first day only does not an MSRP make.
$699 is not the real 3080 price.
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Selling 10 FE cards the first day only does not an MSRP make.
$699 is not the real 3080 price.
You are factually wrong, and it's easy to prove. Not a whole lot to discuss here.

We get that you're upset that you can't find one at that price, but that doesn't mean they don't exist and aren't selling.
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Selling 10 FE cards the first day only does not an MSRP make.
$699 is not the real 3080 price.
You keep saying this over and over and it's just not true. I got 2 FE cards a few weeks ago at MSRP from Best Buy so it's real, deal with it.
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Why is everyone butthurt? Did KAC get to you?
I have a few 3000 cards already I'm okay.

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I have a few 3000 cards already I'm okay.

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You keep saying things that are just not true, that's why.
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You keep saying things that are just not true, that's why.
Have to agree with all the other posts, Leprechaun, especially regarding the 3090 FE. Stock at MSRP seems to be dropping a few days a week on the UK Nvidia store (it's fulfilled by Scan UK) and if you look at this link quite a few on there have bought their FE's recently. One even mentions the stock was available for 8 hours. Even those still waiting after 5 months have started buying the FE and cancelling their pre orders. Obviously I'm only speaking for the UK don't know about USA and Canada TBH

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forum...898762/page-88

Personally I don't like the FE with it's 12 pin plug but that's just my own personal opinion. I prefer to buy AIB models where possible due to their better cooling and acoustics but again just personal preference and the 10% over MSRP I paid I thought was reasonable. With regards to second hand values when the 4070 launch I think the 3090 will hold it's own for at least 2 to 3 years even if you have to lower RT or not enable it all. I can't see any games coming out in that period (one's I would want to play anyway) being a big issue.

Unfortunately as you've used your cards for mining the resale value is a totally different story. Whatever you think it's worth you might need to knock off 50% because if you mention the card has been used for mining buyers run to the hills. Mining voids your warranty (if that warranty passes onto to the 2nd buyer) so if it dies after a few months they're screwed hence why people are not keen.

That's why I mentioned on the Miners thread why sellers tend to forget to mention it and you asked why?
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Have to agree with all the other posts, Leprechaun, especially regarding the 3090 FE. Stock at MSRP seems to be dropping a few days a week on the UK Nvidia store (it's fulfilled by Scan UK) and if you look at this link quite a few on there have bought their FE's recently. One even mentions the stock was available for 8 hours. Even those still waiting after 5 months have started buying the FE and cancelling their pre orders. Obviously I'm only speaking for the UK don't know about USA and Canada TBH

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forum...898762/page-88

Personally I don't like the FE with it's 12 pin plug but that's just my own personal opinion. I prefer to buy AIB models where possible due to their better cooling and acoustics but again just personal preference and the 10% over MSRP I paid I thought was reasonable. With regards to second hand values when the 4070 launch I think the 3090 will hold it's own for at least 2 to 3 years even if you have to lower RT or not enable it all. I can't see any games coming out in that period (one's I would want to play anyway) being a big issue.

Unfortunately as you've used your cards for mining the resale value is a totally different story. Whatever you think it's worth you might need to knock off 50% because if you mention the card has been used for mining buyers run to the hills. Mining voids your warranty (if that warranty passes onto to the 2nd buyer) so if it dies after a few months they're screwed hence why people are not keen.

That's why I mentioned on the Miners thread why sellers tend to forget to mention it and you asked why?
Thanks for an informative post. Good to hear they are selling more FE than I thought. In Canada I think only Best Buy has or had them? Impossible to get. My 3090 I'm running to the ground gaming and mining so probably will never sell.

I was just making the point that Nvidia is artificially selling their FE cards at their MSRP while the reality was much higher for any AIB. I'm not sure if they were arguing with me about wordage/definition of MSRP or philosophically. But I had a question only you answered on.

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Thanks for an informative post. Good to hear they are selling more FE than I thought. In Canada I think only Best Buy has or had them? Impossible to get.
Same in the USA, only Best Buy sells them and they are very hard to get.... but it can be done AND at MSRP.
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I was just making the point that Nvidia is artificially selling their FE cards at their MSRP while the reality was much higher for any AIB. I'm not sure if they were arguing with me about wordage/definition of MSRP or philosophically. But I had a question only you answered on.
I answered your question pretty clearly in this post.
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On that same day, he received a notification his 3080 came in
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