No Win98 support...sob sob..

Voodooking · Jul 24, 2002, 10:13 AM

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SilentSnipeR · Jul 24, 2002, 10:19 AM

wuite possible the WinME drivers will work in Win98SE since they both use WDM drivers. Though, the original Win98 will not work at all.

muzz · Jul 24, 2002, 10:37 AM

To be perfectly honest with you I did NOT want to get another MS product after 98, I've even stated as much........ I did however finally make the plunge and get the XP Home upgrade. I formatted my C: drive, and installed the upgrade fresh ( and did the 98 cd swap when asked). After I set everything up I disabled all BS that XP runs by default, and set it to run only what was necessary. I must admit IMHO it is a much more stable OS than 98 ( AGAIN IMHO ), also loads faster, and I have no problems running the things that I use. It does s**k that my NAV has to be upgraded to 2002 ( which I think is bs - money grubbers ). Other than that I think XP runs mint, and a very worthy upgrade. I think it was worth $99, for me anyways.

Nazgul · Jul 24, 2002, 10:43 AM

Is there going to be a DX9 download for either version of Win98? If not, that could explain why there will be no Win98 support for the 9700, and why they'd go so far as to say "it won't work with 98, so we're not gonna bother writing drivers".

badland1 · Jul 24, 2002, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by muzz
To be perfectly honest with you I did NOT want to get another MS product after 98, I've even stated as much........ I did however finally make the plunge and get the XP Home upgrade. I formatted my C: drive, and installed the upgrade fresh ( and did the 98 cd swap when asked). After I set everything up I disabled all BS that XP runs by default, and set it to run only what was necessary. I must admit IMHO it is a much more stable OS than 98 ( AGAIN IMHO ), also loads faster, and I have no problems running the things that I use. It does s**k that my NAV has to be upgraded to 2002 ( which I think is bs - money grubbers ). Other than that I think XP runs mint, and a very worthy upgrade. I think it was worth $99, for me anyways.

By BS did you also disable services that are on by default?

muzz · Jul 24, 2002, 10:50 AM

badland1 · Jul 24, 2002, 11:09 AM

If you go into the administrative tools then services you will see what is running by default remote services,alerter etc... By turning some of these services (that you most likely won't be using anyway) off it frees up resources and potential security risks. http://www.blackviper.com and if you search around other sites have more info!

Jordo · Jul 24, 2002, 01:16 PM

hheheh, I suppose , now that i've seen the email from ati, WHICh btw, better not be a sick joke

I'll have to go and upgrade to xp.....

fortunately for me, i have winXp corporate editon which works like all other ms. os's worked, you can format/install anytime anything goes wrong,,, BUT Guess what home/pro edtion are LIMTITED to TEN , YES ten installs so if you get the klez virus ten times, then m.s. says ooopss better buy another license,,, yea there are hacks, but there should be no need for a hack,, selling a limited license like that is illegal, but m.s. got away with it so.....

muzz · Jul 24, 2002, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by badland1
If you go into the administrative tools then services you will see what is running by default remote services,alerter etc... By turning some of these services (that you most likely won't be using anyway) off it frees up resources and potential security risks. http://www.blackviper.com and if you search around other sites have more info!

Yep Bads, thats what I did , wasn't sure what you were asking me. Gotta get rid of the resource hogging BS, and it runs mint.

m$-MaNiAC · Jul 24, 2002, 03:10 PM

Windows 98????

what is that?

using only Windows NT based OS for 3 years now...

- Windows 2000
- Windows XP
- Windows .NET

;-)

badland1 · Jul 24, 2002, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by muzz

Yep Bads, thats what I did , wasn't sure what you were asking me. Gotta get rid of the resource hogging BS, and it runs mint.

Good to hear! "What" Billys got something to tell all of us! http://www.theforumisdown.com/upload...0702/Billy.jpg

muzz · Jul 24, 2002, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by badland1
Good to hear! "What" Billys got something to tell all of us! http://www.theforumisdown.com/upload...0702/Billy.jpg

http://www.theforumisdown.com/redx.gif

Down.

rayzian · Jul 24, 2002, 04:36 PM

what services did you guys disable?

honestly, i have no idea which ones to disable..

Comics · Jul 24, 2002, 04:50 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if there was no DirectX 9 for 98, as MS is trying to phase out 98 for the same reasons they don't support NT 4 anymore.

badland1 · Jul 24, 2002, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by razbir
what services did you guys disable?

honestly, i have no idea which ones to disable..

Here's a few guides with more insight! This really should be in the operating system forum though! http://www.deviantpc.com/forums/show...&threadid=1926 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,10918,00.asp http://www.3dspotlight.com/tweaks/wi...rvices-3.shtml

badland1 · Jul 24, 2002, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Comics
I wouldn't be surprised if there was no DirectX 9 for 98, as MS is trying to phase out 98 for the same reasons they don't support NT 4 anymore.

I think they will be releasing dx9 final version with the final version of sp1 for xp.

Nagorak · Jul 24, 2002, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Comics
I wouldn't be surprised if there was no DirectX 9 for 98, as MS is trying to phase out 98 for the same reasons they don't support NT 4 anymore.

Because they realize it's a better OS than all of the invasive PoS they've released since?

kegking · Jul 24, 2002, 06:44 PM

My .02

Every current OS I’ve wanted to upgrade to the next (3.11->95->98/SE->ME (50 bucks who could complain!!)->XP). But until some major (next best) thing comes up I’m going to stick with XP (PRO). Where w2k focused mostly on stability (at the coast of home usability) XP has that right balance or backdoors, exploits and backwards compatibility.

Dyre Straits · Jul 24, 2002, 07:06 PM

What is it about Windows ME that makes it that much different from 98SE?
I've had a ME CD for a while, but, from all I've read about it - and from the experience of those I know who used it (notice past tense), I decided to stick with 98SE.

Once XP's SP1 is released, I may, at that time, or soon afterwards, give some serious consideration to getting it. However, I would be getting mine via the purchase of a newer computer. It's been over two years since my last major CPU/Motherboard upgrade, so it's way past my usual time span for doing so. This way I get a new system that comes with XP and don't have to lay out separate funds for it.

Dyre Straits

X-Modach · Jul 24, 2002, 07:21 PM

No support for 98SE?

Damn, gotta pirate another OS.

BillGtheIV · Jul 24, 2002, 08:22 PM

I can see that how it might NOT be officially supported. There's not a HUGE difference between 95 & 98 (granted the difference between 98 & ME is a lot less), but DirectX 8.1 DOES say that it does not support windows 95.

So there is a precedent.

Rancidm · Jul 24, 2002, 08:35 PM

Get a real OS

SilentSnipeR · Jul 24, 2002, 09:50 PM

you people are dumb. did you even see my post above? :/
Win98 and Win95 uses the VXD system to make drivers. From what it looks like, ATI are sick of using that system to support an aging os, so they've moved to the WDM system of making drivers. WinME drivers will work for Win98SE, becuase it uses the WDM system. The ifirst edition of Win98 unfortunetly dosen't.

AKDUDE · Jul 24, 2002, 10:14 PM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4595

BillGtheIV · Jul 24, 2002, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SilentSnipeR
you people are dumb. did you even see my post above? :/
Win98 and Win95 uses the VXD system to make drivers. From what it looks like, ATI are sick of using that system to support an aging os, so they've moved to the WDM system of making drivers. WinME drivers will work for Win98SE, becuase it uses the WDM system. The ifirst edition of Win98 unfortunetly dosen't.

If that is the only reason, why did they not support Win95 with DX8.1? Obviously, MS is trying to move away from the older OSs altogether. I'm just surprised they included WinME support for the card.

GarfBond · Jul 24, 2002, 10:35 PM

See this page: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle.asp?gssnb=1

Microsoft is putting Windows 98 in "extended phase," which means they are ending free support for these products. You can still buy support from them though. By next year, Microsoft is going to throwing 98 in the "salvage" pile. So it is entirely possible that MS themselves will stop supporting 98 very soon, possibly encouraging ATI to stop supporting 98.

BillGtheIV · Jul 24, 2002, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SilentSnipeR
you people are dumb. did you even see my post above? :/
Win98 and Win95 uses the VXD system to make drivers. From what it looks like, ATI are sick of using that system to support an aging os, so they've moved to the WDM system of making drivers. WinME drivers will work for Win98SE, becuase it uses the WDM system. The ifirst edition of Win98 unfortunetly dosen't.

Since when? Why can you use Win 98 (first edition) drivers in Win ME systems and vice versa? (except of course for some things like USB) And CANNOT use Win2000 drivers in ME?

Because they both use the VxD format!

The only difference is that Win ME has more checks to see if the drivers are digitally signed or not. Otherwise, they are the same stuff.

Before you call people stupid, check your facts

ss1 · Jul 25, 2002, 12:05 AM

Win98 SE if I recall correclty only has WDM 1.0 which was MS's test bed for WDM. However ME, Win2K, and WinXP all feature WDM 2.0 (IIRC) and hence allowing a company to realse one driver file to support three OS's at once.

Proof:

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585ftp.asp

Turtle Beach for their Santa Cruz sound card only use's one Driver file to support ME, Win2K and WinXP, whilst the Win98 SE WDM driver is kept seperate.

ss1.

BillGtheIV · Jul 25, 2002, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ss1
Win98 SE if I recall correclty only has WDM 1.0 which was MS's test bed for WDM. However ME, Win2K, and WinXP all feature WDM 2.0 (IIRC) and hence allowing a company to realse one driver file to support three OS's at once.

Proof:

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585ftp.asp

Turtle Beach for their Santa Cruz sound card only use's one Driver file to support ME, Win2K and WinXP, whilst the Win98 SE WDM driver is kept seperate.

ss1.

win me, though, still uses the win9x Vxd as well.

Proof?

Same web site as you put in, I got this line

s481me9x.zip 20670457 03-27-01 WINDOWS 9x, ME | VxD drivers v.4081 |

night · Jul 25, 2002, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by X-Modach
No support for 98SE?

Damn, gotta pirate another OS.

and i gotta swap out my key

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Voodooking Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 181	No Win98 support...sob sob.. Dear Customer, Thank you for contacting ATI Technical Support. Radeon 9xxx Specifications The Radeon 9000 series (Radeon 9000 Pro and Radeon 9700) will run on Win XP, Win 2000 and Win Me. It will not work in Windows 98/se/95/NT, therefore there will be no driver support for these operating systems. Please check the online technical specifications for more information about these products: Radeon 9000 Pro: http://www.ati.com/products/pc/radeon9000pro/specs.html Radeon 9700: http://www.ati.com/products/pc/radeon9700/specs.html If your question is not answered, or you have another technical issue, please re-submit your query via our Online "Request for Assistance" form available at the link below and choose Other in the subject field: www.ati.com/online/euroform The details requested in this form will assist us in providing you with the most accurate information available for your situation. Please also include your original email or a brief description of your problem in the reply. Thank you for contacting ATI.

Jul 24, 2002, 10:19 AM	#2
SilentSnipeR Radeon HD 4870 X2 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia :) Posts: 623	wuite possible the WinME drivers will work in Win98SE since they both use WDM drivers. Though, the original Win98 will not work at all. __________________ Main system: Asus A7N8X Deluxe (1002.001 beta bios)\| AthlonXP 1800+@1.86ghz 10x186fsb \| 512mb Corsair XMS3000 (2.5-2-2-6)\| Vid: Radeon9700PRO (337/337) \| GlobalWin TAK68 HSF :) http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5730202

Jul 24, 2002, 10:37 AM	#3
muzz Radeon HD 4890 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Who cares....... Posts: 761	To be perfectly honest with you I did NOT want to get another MS product after 98, I've even stated as much........ I did however finally make the plunge and get the XP Home upgrade. I formatted my C: drive, and installed the upgrade fresh ( and did the 98 cd swap when asked). After I set everything up I disabled all BS that XP runs by default, and set it to run only what was necessary. I must admit IMHO it is a much more stable OS than 98 ( AGAIN IMHO ), also loads faster, and I have no problems running the things that I use. It does s**k that my NAV has to be upgraded to 2002 ( which I think is bs - money grubbers ). Other than that I think XP runs mint, and a very worthy upgrade. I think it was worth $99, for me anyways. __________________ Fanboys of BOTH camps should hope for close to parity, if not... They are IDIOTS!! Competition is what rules what WE ENTHUSIASTS get for our hard earned Dollar,nothing else.

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Jul 24, 2002, 10:43 AM	#4
Nazgul Witch-King of Angmar Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 1,846	Is there going to be a DX9 download for either version of Win98? If not, that could explain why there will be no Win98 support for the 9700, and why they'd go so far as to say "it won't work with 98, so we're not gonna bother writing drivers". __________________ "The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter. 'Old fool!' he said. 'Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade."

Jul 24, 2002, 10:50 AM	#6
muzz Radeon HD 4890 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Who cares....... Posts: 761	? __________________ Fanboys of BOTH camps should hope for close to parity, if not... They are IDIOTS!! Competition is what rules what WE ENTHUSIASTS get for our hard earned Dollar,nothing else.

Jul 24, 2002, 11:09 AM	#7
badland1 Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Badlands,Alta. Posts: 190	If you go into the administrative tools then services you will see what is running by default remote services,alerter etc... By turning some of these services (that you most likely won't be using anyway) off it frees up resources and potential security risks. http://www.blackviper.com and if you search around other sites have more info!

Jul 24, 2002, 01:16 PM	#8
Jordo Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 286	hheheh, I suppose , now that i've seen the email from ati, WHICh btw, better not be a sick joke I'll have to go and upgrade to xp..... fortunately for me, i have winXp corporate editon which works like all other ms. os's worked, you can format/install anytime anything goes wrong,,, BUT Guess what home/pro edtion are LIMTITED to TEN , YES ten installs so if you get the klez virus ten times, then m.s. says ooopss better buy another license,,, yea there are hacks, but there should be no need for a hack,, selling a limited license like that is illegal, but m.s. got away with it so.....

Jul 24, 2002, 03:10 PM	#10
m$-MaNiAC Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: @Home Posts: 1,302	Windows 98???? what is that? using only Windows NT based OS for 3 years now... - Windows 2000 - Windows XP - Windows .NET ;-) Last edited by m$-MaNiAC : Jul 24, 2002 at 04:47 PM.

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Jul 24, 2002, 04:36 PM	#13
rayzian brokestatus Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 9,616	what services did you guys disable? honestly, i have no idea which ones to disable.. __________________ and we did nothing, absolutely nothing

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Jul 24, 2002, 04:50 PM	#14
Comics Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 7	I wouldn't be surprised if there was no DirectX 9 for 98, as MS is trying to phase out 98 for the same reasons they don't support NT 4 anymore.

Jul 24, 2002, 06:44 PM	#18
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Jul 24, 2002, 07:06 PM	#19
Dyre Straits Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 2,078	What is it about Windows ME that makes it that much different from 98SE? I've had a ME CD for a while, but, from all I've read about it - and from the experience of those I know who used it (notice past tense), I decided to stick with 98SE. Once XP's SP1 is released, I may, at that time, or soon afterwards, give some serious consideration to getting it. However, I would be getting mine via the purchase of a newer computer. It's been over two years since my last major CPU/Motherboard upgrade, so it's way past my usual time span for doing so. This way I get a new system that comes with XP and don't have to lay out separate funds for it. Dyre Straits __________________ ~Windows Vista HP SP2 AND Windows XP Pro SP3~MSI P45 Neo~Intel E6700 @ 3.2 GHz~4x2 GB DDR2 1066 RAM (Dual Channel)~RealTek Onboard HD 4770 512 MB GDDR5~320 GB Hitachi SATA (Vista System)~250 GB WD SATA (XP System)~2 x 160 GB Samsung SATA + 120 GB WD + 160 GB Seagate IDE (Storage)~DVD RW~1000 W PSU~And a Whole Lot More!~Windows 7 x64 Professional~

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Jul 24, 2002, 07:21 PM	#20
X-Modach Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 492	No support for 98SE? Damn, gotta pirate another OS. __________________ *Got Radeon?*

Jul 24, 2002, 08:22 PM	#21
BillGtheIV Radeon HD 4850 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 202	It might be true I can see that how it might NOT be officially supported. There's not a HUGE difference between 95 & 98 (granted the difference between 98 & ME is a lot less), but DirectX 8.1 DOES say that it does not support windows 95. So there is a precedent. __________________ "But what...is it good for?" - Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip AMD Athlon64 3000+ 1GB RAM ATI All-in-Wonder® X800 XT Windows XP

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Jul 24, 2002, 09:50 PM	#23
SilentSnipeR Radeon HD 4870 X2 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia :) Posts: 623	you people are dumb. did you even see my post above? :/ Win98 and Win95 uses the VXD system to make drivers. From what it looks like, ATI are sick of using that system to support an aging os, so they've moved to the WDM system of making drivers. WinME drivers will work for Win98SE, becuase it uses the WDM system. The ifirst edition of Win98 unfortunetly dosen't.

Jul 24, 2002, 10:14 PM	#24
AKDUDE Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 137	http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4595

Jul 24, 2002, 10:35 PM	#26
GarfBond Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 129	See this page: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle.asp?gssnb=1 Microsoft is putting Windows 98 in "extended phase," which means they are ending free support for these products. You can still buy support from them though. By next year, Microsoft is going to throwing 98 in the "salvage" pile. So it is entirely possible that MS themselves will stop supporting 98 very soon, possibly encouraging ATI to stop supporting 98.

Jul 25, 2002, 12:05 AM	#28
ss1 Java Beans Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In the deepest dark depths of space far away from civilisation. This place is only know as "Aberystwyth UK"...... Posts: 744	Win98 SE if I recall correclty only has WDM 1.0 which was MS's test bed for WDM. However ME, Win2K, and WinXP all feature WDM 2.0 (IIRC) and hence allowing a company to realse one driver file to support three OS's at once. Proof: http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585ftp.asp Turtle Beach for their Santa Cruz sound card only use's one Driver file to support ME, Win2K and WinXP, whilst the Win98 SE WDM driver is kept seperate. ss1. __________________ [size=0.08]CPU: Athlon XP 1600+ w/ Zalaman CPNS6000-AlCU HSF OS: Windows 2000 Pro SP4 Mobo: MSI K7T266 pro 2 RU VideoCard: Gainward Geforce4 Ti4400 128mb DDR ViVO Monitor: LG 915FT+ Flatron 19" 1600x1200 @ 85hz & LG Flatron LCD 563LE 1,024x768 @ 75hz RAM: 512MB DDR Storage: 2 x 40Gb Segate Barracuda IV's (7,200 rpm), 20Gb Segate U6 (5,200 rpm), Zip 250 IDE, Pioneer 16x DVD, Sony 32x10x40 CD-RW SoundCard: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz (5.1 Digital) & SB Audigy Player (4.1 Analouge) Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks DTT3500 5.1 Digital + Sony MDR-V150 Headphones[/size]

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