Star Wars: The Mandalorian

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by 12Bass

Whilst Kennedy has been overseeing production for the recent trilogy as well as The Mandalorian, I'm not sure how actively involved she has been in terms of plots, characters, etc... It doesn't seem right, IMO, to have the attitude that as President of Lucasfilm, she is therefore directly responsible for everything the company produces

So, you are saying she's only responsible for when something sucks, but when it's good, it's someone else's kudos?

[12Bass]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

So, you are saying she's only responsible for when something sucks, but when it's good, it's someone else's kudos?

No, I'm saying that just because she's the president doesn't mean she's necessarily responsible for all of the creative decisions or deserves either kudos or credit for them. Perhaps she's taken a more active role in some productions than others? But if Kennedy directly steered a given production and it sucked, then yes, she should be held responsible.

I haven't looked into it very deeply, though the article I posted showed that she definitely took an active role in steering the new movie trilogy. I don't know how involved Kennedy has been in The Mandalorian. So, it comes down to giving the credit to the people who were most directly involved in making each production, whoever that might be. Perhaps she took a more hands-off approach and let Favreau and Filoni do their thing... I dunno?

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

So, you are saying she's only responsible for when something sucks, but when it's good, it's someone else's kudos?

Honestly .. that's how it goes for most people in a position of leadership.

[pax]

Short of being told proper producer credits Im not sure we can say how involved she was in any SW shows or not...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338...f_=tt_ov_st_sm

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8111088...=tt_cl_sm#cast

On mando shes listed as executive producer but on TROS shes listed as producer... not exactly good enought info info to know how hands on one is...

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by 12Bass

No, I'm saying that just because she's the president doesn't mean she's necessarily responsible for all of the creative decisions or deserves either kudos or credit for them. Perhaps she's taken a more active role in some productions than others? But if Kennedy directly steered a given production and it sucked, then yes, she should be held responsible.

Even if she "okay'd" the direction others wanted to go, then she had a hand in it. At the end of the day, we need to thank and/or blame the "team" involved which she is a part of.

[12Bass]

This comes to mind... however, personally, I'd rather look into things a bit more closely, and give credit or criticism to the most involved parties, than just say that Kennedy is responsible for everything.

[AllexxisF1]

Kennedy is intimate with everything at Lucasfilm.

Everything.

A little louder for the back.


EVERYTHING.

Good or bad.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Nunz

The only reason The Mandalorian has been so good is because Kennedy hasn't been a part of it. If you want to give her credit for anything, it's for the fact she was smart enough to realize how disgustingly awful the newest trilogy was. The trilogy she was very involved with.

As far as I understand, she's been much more laissez-faire with the Mandalorian and Favreau/Filoni.

These two guys understand Star Wars and know how to shape stories, plots, and characters that fit the universe. I'm amazed at how awesome The Clone Wars animated series is; I'm currently binging through it for the first time.

Either way; giving Kennedy credit for The Mandalorian success is comical and is a real effort to take away from the complete 180 Favreau was able to do for the franchise.

My point exactly.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by 12Bass

This comes to mind... however, personally, I'd rather look into things a bit more closely, and give credit or criticism to the most involved parties, than just say that Kennedy is responsible for everything.

Unless you are part of the actual project, you will never actually know who is doing what. With that, you can either make assumptions (and there is a saying about assumptions), or treat the projects based on their "teams".

[acroig]

Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

Kennedy is intimate with everything at Lucasfilm.

Everything.

A little louder for the back.


EVERYTHING.

Good or bad.

Yeah but thanks for ignoring our points through.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

Unless you are part of the actual project, you will never actually know who is doing what. With that, you can either make assumptions (and there is a saying about assumptions), or treat the projects based on their "teams".

That's not correct, look at the credits and see how many times F and F names come up. This is their show.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by acroig

That's not correct, look at the credits and see how many times F and F names come up. This is their show.

Unless you are at the top, you answer to someone. Someone is deciding yes or no. F & F answer to others, it's not exactly "free reign" as those persons above them are responsible for the bottom line. That's how business and the world works.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

Unless you are at the top, you answer to someone. Someone is deciding yes or no. F & F answer to others, it's not exactly "free reign" as those persons above them are responsible for the bottom line. That's how business and the world works.

Show it to me, link me to something that backs up your position. Show me what exactly Kennedy does on the day to day running of the show or the creative team.

[12Bass]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

Unless you are at the top, you answer to someone. Someone is deciding yes or no. F & F answer to others, it's not exactly "free reign" as those persons above them are responsible for the bottom line. That's how business and the world works.

Well, I don't actually know who exactly did what. What we got from Favreau and Filoni definitely has a different feel than the theatrical films. How much of that was due to Favreau and Filoni and how much was Kennedy? I dunno... but we certainly didn't get Favreau and Filoni style Star Wars from the Disney SW films. There are probably articles available somewhere that detail the creative and decision making process involved. I don't think using a general business analogy is very helpful here.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by 12Bass

Well, I don't actually know who exactly did what. What we got from Favreau and Filoni definitely has a different feel than the theatrical films. How much of that was due to Favreau and Filoni and how much was Kennedy? I dunno... but we certainly didn't get Favreau and Filoni style Star Wars from the Disney SW films. There are probably articles available somewhere that detail the creative and decision making process involved. I don't think using a general business analogy is very helpful here.

What the man said.

Bass and I on the same side, for a change.

[SD-[Inc]]

I enjoyed the finale. But, I don’t feel it was that great. The ending was as predictable as any you could possibly imagine. It’s been telegraphed for nearly 2 episodes. The only reveal was which Jedi appears. I actually don’t like the choice of “who” myself. Thought it was cool. But, it’s pure fan service and probably the last time we ever see this same Jedi in this series. I really didn’t like the one man super trooper destroyer run at the end either It lacked any sort of drama at all. The idea that next season may embark in a totally different direction is much more interesting to me than the last big reveal. Will Mando lead the Mandalorians? They have a full cruiser is he going to join them. Is the helmet off now for good? And the Boba spin off looks dumb as all heck...

[12Bass]

At the end, I was hoping that the trap door would fall open and reveal a new rancor that ate Boba Fett... given that he miraculously survived the sarlacc.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by 12Bass

Well, I don't actually know who exactly did what. What we got from Favreau and Filoni definitely has a different feel than the theatrical films. How much of that was due to Favreau and Filoni and how much was Kennedy? I dunno... but we certainly didn't get Favreau and Filoni style Star Wars from the Disney SW films.

And what's different between the Mandalorian and the SW films since that came out of the same leadership? The directors...

[necropimp]

Originally Posted by 12Bass

At the end, I was hoping that the trap door would fall open and reveal a new rancor that ate Boba Fett... given that he miraculously survived the sarlacc.

i was expecting the trap door to drop and boba to fire the jetpack before blasting bib fatuna

all hail Boba the Fett

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

And what's different between the Mandalorian and the SW films since that came out of the same leadership? The directors...

The creative team of which Favreau and Feloni are a close part of as well as the direction.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by acroig

The creative team of which Favreau and Feloni are a close part of as well as the direction.

Sure, but that's not the point. These series are all under the same leadership that provided the last 3 motion pictures. What it appears to me is that the leadership is allowing the creative teams to sink or swim with their ideas rather than directly meddling.

However, it's obvious that the added grittiness that Mandalorian has provided is what those who have grown up with Star Wars have been seeking. Star Wars in the past always had more indirect violence where the Mandalorian has stormtroopers getting strangled and necks broken. I doubt we'll them take that level of violence to the big screen, but only time will tell.

The other thing I find interesting is while people are saying the Mandalorian is really following "Star Wars lore", it appears they are mostly lifting scenes and scenarios from the various Star Wars games that have come out. While I never played them, several members here have called out multiple scenes/episodes that were lifted from those titles. Is that good or bad? I'm not saying either but it does question some of this "creativity" and how long can they keep it up.

[andino]

Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

Kennedy is intimate with everything at Lucasfilm.

Even with Baby Yoda?

That's muppet pedophilia right there!

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

Sure, but that's not the point. These series are all under the same leadership that provided the last 3 motion pictures. What it appears to me is that the leadership is allowing the creative teams to sink or swim with their ideas rather than directly
.

No, that is the point actually and you and others are ignoring it on purpose. I'll say this again, show me evidence of Kennedys contributions to this show other than green lighting it and ill STFU but your opinion is not fact. What the credits say out weights that.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by acroig

No, that is the point actually and you and others are ignoring it on purpose. I'll say this again, show me evidence of Kennedys contributions to this show other than green lighting it and ill STFU but your opinion is not fact. What the credits say out weights that.

That proof swings both ways and this is dumbest thing ever... It's like saying "prove to me aliens don't exist"....

[ice]

Watching this show made me want to watch all the movies now and actually learn the backstory. Now to make sense of all the jumping around and figure out what order to watch everything in.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

That proof swings both ways and this is dumbest thing ever... It's like saying "prove to me aliens don't exist"....

You are making a claim, I asked for a link. I said I look at the credits to see who does what.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by acroig

You are making a claim, I asked for a link. I said I look at the credits to see who does what.

lol, you know darn well that doesn't prove anything. No one "here" is sitting in those session, inside those pitches, in those meetings or on any of those phone calls.. You really believe all that is capture in "credits"? lol.. Believe what you want to believe, I could care less but I have a bridge for sale when you are ready...

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Mahjik

lol, you know darn well that doesn't prove anything. No one "here" is sitting in those session, inside those pitches, in those meetings or on any of those phone calls.. You really believe all that is capture in "credits"? lol.. Believe what you want to believe, I could care less but I have a bridge for sale when you are ready...

So then how can you claim that Kennedy has done anything more than ok the production of the show? No need to get nasty, just tell me what you know.

[KAC]

Giving credit to women is bad. Unless they make a good sandwich. Then you can credit that poonani.

[Mahjik]

Originally Posted by acroig

So then how can you claim that Kennedy has done anything more than ok the production of the show? No need to get nasty, just tell me what you know.

I never made such a claim. You need to read back through this thread.