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Old Nov 18, 2019, 12:42 AM   #271
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Only watched the first episode. It had a lot of flaws. Mostly, it was pretty boring.

The production values are good.

The music feels lacking. Not sure if it's because it's ass or if it's just that you're expecting actual Star Wars music.

Most of the first episode was just The Mandalorian walking places slowly. Or flying somewhere slowly.

A show doesn't need to spoon feed you what's going on. But they really relied on the audience knowing the universe to explain the story. No crawl at the start to set things up. And there wasn't much dialogue to set things up.

It felt a bit exploitative. Not much substance and they threw in just enough Star Wars references for the fan boys to get excited.

For example, the big reveal of the yoda-baby at the end. What is that important. From the show alone it tells us nothing. We don't know anything about The Force. They could have had anything in that pod and it could have seemed just as important.

But because it looks like Yoda, everyone can have a huge nerd-boner.

The problem is the show didn't set it up. It relied on the fact that it's Star Wars to do the heavy lifting, instead of the writing
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 02:49 AM   #272
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Only watched the first episode. It had a lot of flaws. Mostly, it was pretty boring.

The production values are good.

The music feels lacking. Not sure if it's because it's ass or if it's just that you're expecting actual Star Wars music.

Most of the first episode was just The Mandalorian walking places slowly. Or flying somewhere slowly.

A show doesn't need to spoon feed you what's going on. But they really relied on the audience knowing the universe to explain the story. No crawl at the start to set things up. And there wasn't much dialogue to set things up.

It felt a bit exploitative. Not much substance and they threw in just enough Star Wars references for the fan boys to get excited.

For example, the big reveal of the yoda-baby at the end. What is that important. From the show alone it tells us nothing. We don't know anything about The Force. They could have had anything in that pod and it could have seemed just as important.

But because it looks like Yoda, everyone can have a huge nerd-boner.

The problem is the show didn't set it up. It relied on the fact that it's Star Wars to do the heavy lifting, instead of the writing
I agree, and to make it worse the story spoon fed us with the proclamation that the mandalorian guy is the best in the area only to then showing him losing to comic relief characters.

Now, what's the date for the next season of the expanse, the orville and the premiere of Picard show? Aren't they all come in December or something?
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 04:05 AM   #273
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I agree, and to make it worse the story spoon fed us with the proclamation that the mandalorian guy is the best in the area only to then showing him losing to comic relief characters.
I don't know enough about Jawas to say that they are just comic relief, though I've never thought of them that way; rather, I see them as somewhat mysterious scavengers and traders that I know very little about, so the episodes filled in a few more details about them for me. IMO, characters are more believable if they lose sometimes and must improve their skills over the course of a series, like would occur in the real world. A character like Rey is boring, because you know she will always prevail, with relative ease... something even Yoda, the Jedi master, couldn't accomplish!
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Only watched the first episode. It had a lot of flaws. Mostly, it was pretty boring.

The production values are good.

The music feels lacking. Not sure if it's because it's ass or if it's just that you're expecting actual Star Wars music.

Most of the first episode was just The Mandalorian walking places slowly. Or flying somewhere slowly.

A show doesn't need to spoon feed you what's going on. But they really relied on the audience knowing the universe to explain the story. No crawl at the start to set things up. And there wasn't much dialogue to set things up.

It felt a bit exploitative. Not much substance and they threw in just enough Star Wars references for the fan boys to get excited.

For example, the big reveal of the yoda-baby at the end. What is that important. From the show alone it tells us nothing. We don't know anything about The Force. They could have had anything in that pod and it could have seemed just as important.

But because it looks like Yoda, everyone can have a huge nerd-boner.

The problem is the show didn't set it up. It relied on the fact that it's Star Wars to do the heavy lifting, instead of the writing
The whole reason this show exists is because the Star Wars universe exists. If someone is watching it and they're new to SW, then they can watch the movies and get caught up. Or they can just keep watching, being in the dark about everything else, and have an even greater sense of mystery and curiosity.

You're assuming people need to know more than they do in order to enjoy the series, but I think in a way it could be even more enjoyable to watch it as a total noob.

For example, my buddy and I went to see Blade Runner 2049. He knew nothing of the story and had never seen the original. But he loved it and thought it was great. It sparked some interesting and insightful discussion afterward, and later we watched the original, which he liked.

People can enjoy things in their own ways. They don't have to enjoy it exactly the way we do.
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So baby Yoda is a force-wielder (surprise). I forgot how old they said he was, but still that's quite a bit of power for a toddler. Now it's easy to understand why people want him, some alive, some dead.

Overall really enjoying the series. Yes it's slow-moving, but great production values and likeable characters. Looking forward to more.
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I don't know enough about Jawas to say that they are just comic relief, though I've never thought of them that way; rather, I see them as somewhat mysterious scavengers and traders that I know very little about, so the episodes filled in a few more details about them for me. IMO, characters are more believable if they lose sometimes and must improve their skills over the course of a series, like would occur in the real world. A character like Rey is boring, because you know she will always prevail, with relative ease... something even Yoda, the Jedi master, couldn't accomplish!
Agreed. I didn't see the Jawas as comic relief at all. I thought it was great to see them again, in ways that were consistent with what we've seen before, but also in a way that was a little different, a little more, than that. They were actually difficult to deal with. In fact, they won! They beat the hero and were never defeated by him. And what's more is they forced him into a compromise so that it remained a win for them.

That was pretty neat how it turned out, because it still continued the narrative and the hero's development.
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Anyone else wish they'd stop using Tatooine as a location for SW stories?
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IIRC, they said "Baby Yoda" was 50... and it looks like he might be a clone, as the doctor working for The Client is from Kamino.

According to this, the planet is Arvala-7, not Tattooine:
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it was Arvala-7, only one sun I believe

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just the one they film in is
plus it's cheaper to film just outside LA
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I don't know enough about Jawas to say that they are just comic relief, though I've never thought of them that way; rather, I see them as somewhat mysterious scavengers and traders that I know very little about, so the episodes filled in a few more details about them for me. IMO, characters are more believable if they lose sometimes and must improve their skills over the course of a series, like would occur in the real world. A character like Rey is boring, because you know she will always prevail, with relative ease... something even Yoda, the Jedi master, couldn't accomplish!
I see Jawas in the same vein as Gungan and Ewok armies, not something you can take seriously and not something that project strength in serious way in the context of the universe they're in... and the thing is with this in story so far, is that I'd accept the incompetence from the main character if the story (and the trailer) didn't spoon fed the audience that he was supposedly the best in the parsec - god damn it, you all already read how I take issue with this utterly ridiculous inappropriate usage of the word -.

It's bad writing, do not make a sweeping declaration of grandiose to a character only to then show him to be in 180 degree opposite direction when the audience still haven't known what kind of character he is in the beginning of your story, especially if that character is supposedly to be not a talkative character.
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I see Jawas in the same vein as Gungan and Ewok armies, not something you can take seriously and not something that project strength in serious way in the context of the universe they're in... and the thing is with this in story so far, is that I'd accept the incompetence from the main character if the story (and the trailer) didn't spoon fed the audience that he was supposedly the best in the parsec - god damn it, you all already read how I take issue with this utterly ridiculous inappropriate usage of the word -.

It's bad writing, do not make a sweeping declaration of grandiose to a character only to then show him to be in 180 degree opposite direction when the audience still haven't known what kind of character he is in the beginning of your story, especially if that character is supposedly to be not a talkative character.


i'm sure he told the other 50 bounty hunters he hired they were the best in the parsec also
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... It's bad writing, do not make a sweeping declaration of grandiose to a character only to then show him to be in 180 degree opposite direction when the audience still haven't known what kind of character he is in the beginning of your story, especially if that character is supposedly to be not a talkative character.
FWIW, I'm still making up my mind what sort of character he is, so there wasn't much of an expectation set up.
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it was Arvala-7, only one sun I believe

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Arvala-7

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just the one they film in is
plus it's cheaper to film just outside LA
SW loves desert planets then. Tatooine, Jedha, Jakku, now Arvala-7. Guess it's just cheaper to film in the desert...
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You should probably put that whole first sentence in a spoiler tag for those that haven't watched any of the episodes yet.
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SW loves desert planets then. Tatooine, Jedha, Jakku, now Arvala-7. Guess it's just cheaper to film in the desert...
Or the universe is dryer than we'd like it to be.
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Not as dry as KAC's mom, at least.
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I love that in Star Wars, every planet has only 1 ecosystem. Snow planet, desert planet, forest planet, city planet, lava planet, etc. I also have a theory that each planet is very small, which explains why it's so easy to accidentally stumble into people if you're on the right planet. Imagine Luke Skywalker trying to find Yoda on a planet the size of Earth, for example... he'd probably never find him.
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I love that in Star Wars, every planet has only 1 ecosystem. Snow planet, desert planet, forest planet, city planet, lava planet, etc. I also have a theory that each planet is very small, which explains why it's so easy to accidentally stumble into people if you're on the right planet. Imagine Luke Skywalker trying to find Yoda on a planet the size of Earth, for example... he'd probably never find him.
habitable planet have a somewhat minimum size to have a atmosphere

and I have seen no one in star wars jumping around like john carter
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and I have seen no one in star wars jumping around like john carter
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The Midichlorians increase the gravity of small planets to that they feel big. Also keep the atmosphere in place. That and the Kyber crystals.

Seriously, Star Wars has never tried to be scientifically consistent.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 05:27 PM   #293
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Imagine Luke Skywalker trying to find Yoda on a planet the size of Earth, for example... he'd probably never find him.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 05:58 PM   #294
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I love that in Star Wars, every planet has only 1 ecosystem. Snow planet, desert planet, forest planet, city planet, lava planet, etc. I also have a theory that each planet is very small, which explains why it's so easy to accidentally stumble into people if you're on the right planet. Imagine Luke Skywalker trying to find Yoda on a planet the size of Earth, for example... he'd probably never find him.
I mean it's pretty standard sci-fi trope. It also helps makes planets feel distinct. If your universe features a number of different planets and cultures, it's much better to make them distinct. There's also a chance that the planets might be small with a minimal rotational axis, so climate would be similar for most of the planet.
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The Midichlorians increase the gravity of small planets to that they feel big. Also keep the atmosphere in place. That and the Kyber crystals.

Seriously, Star Wars has never tried to be scientifically consistent.
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and they expand the horizons and they magnify how they look from space

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Nobody is really saying this out loud, but this show sucks. The characters and story are completely boring, the soundtrack makes it sound like some sort of Mexican soap opera, and the special effects are all minimal and lame. The show will need some serious effort to dig out the hole of lameness it currently has dug for itself.
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Nobody is really saying this out loud, but this show sucks. The characters and story are completely boring, the soundtrack makes it sound like some sort of Mexican soap opera, and the special effects are all minimal and lame. The show will need some serious effort to dig out the hole of lameness it currently has dug for itself.
We're not saying that because we don't believe it. I think most of us are enjoying it (aside from the music...I agree, that sucks).
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We're not saying that because we don't believe it. I think most of us are enjoying it (aside from the music...I agree, that sucks).
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