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Old Oct 9, 2018, 01:14 AM   #1
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Q: Why did you buy it?
A: It's here, I spent the cash for it, it was only $400 more than what I paid for my Asus Strix 1080Ti just a few months ago, and I need to game at 4k.

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Now that we got that out the way, let's talk about the card itself.

Purchased the Asus Dual RTX 2080ti variant from newegg on Friday with expedited shipping and received it today (Monday).





The card is clearly no ROG STRIX and is very simplistic. No LED or lighting bling. Simple block cooler with dual fans, hence the very clever name.

First thing I did after installing was set up a custom fan profile with the Asus GPU Tweak 2 utility, because the default fan profile sucks. With the profile I have set up temps peak at 76 degrees C (compared to 71 degrees C with my ROG Strix 1080Ti). This is with fans at 70%, going to 100% if it ever hits 80+ degrees.

Fans are also quiet. At 70% they are only slightly louder than my ROG Strix 1080Ti at 50%.

After getting up to date drivers and setting up my fan profile, I proceeded to test some games. Alot of these games do not have built in benchmarks, so I basically load my last save point and looked around for the LOWEST framerates in the scene I was in. The 1080ti screenshots were captured over the weekend.

Tested on an 8700 with default boost clocks. See systems specs on left. Vsync turned off when measuring framerates. All detail slider settings maxed out beyond what the highest presets provided, with the exception of Kingdom Come Deliverance. Resolution for all games is 3840x2160.

ELEX

All detail slider settings maxed out including SMAA at 3840 x 2160

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Elex plays at 60 fps locked the majority of the time with vsync enabled. This was never a CPU limited game as was suggested in the 4k thread. The 1080Ti would linger in the low to mid 40's, compared to vsync locked at 60fps 95% of the time with the 2080Ti.


Evil Within 2

All detail slider settings maxed out including TAA + FAA hybrid at 3840 x 2160

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2080Ti:


Framerates taken in the safe house because for some reason the safe houses always gave the lowest frame rates in the game when I played. With the 2080Ti, its locked at 60fps all the time, compared to being in the 40's with the 1080ti.



Quantum Break

All detail slider settings maxed out EXCEPT for Upscaling which remained ON.

1080Ti:


2080Ti:



1080Ti:


2080Ti:


Upscaling turned OFF will tank framerates. Talking about framerates in the low 20's for the 1080Ti at 4k, didnt bother to test that with the 2080Ti.

The reason why upscaling turned OFF tanks framerates is because of the crappy engine design. With Upscaling off the game will take the native 4k image and STILL upsample it 4 times to stitch together the final image. There is no way to turn this behavior off and just let it render at native 4k without any shenannigans, it's just part of Remedy's shitty engine design.



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Old Oct 9, 2018, 01:15 AM   #2
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Assassins Creed Origins: Curse of the Pharoahs


All detail slider settings maxed out with AA set to HIGH.

1080Ti:


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Curse of the Pharoahs is more demanding than the main campaign, especially this shitty afterlife level which tanks performance. With vsync on that 50 you see there goes to 30fps the majority of time in this level. With the 2080Ti I'm vsync locked at 60fps. I put off finishing Curse of the Pharoahs because of the shitty 1080ti performance, now I can resume playing.



Shadow of the Tomb Raider


EVERYTHING maxed out here, going beyond what the highest preset does. TAA antialiasing is used.

1080ti:


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Haven't started this game yet, just using it for benchmarks. With everything maxed game is still very playable, but I will likely back down or just use the highest preset without the extra sliders to maintain 60fps at all times.


Kingdom Come Deliverance


VERY HIGH preset used.

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34 fps on a 1080ti at 4k.

48 with the 2080Ti. Still not ideal, but far better than before. Performance is worst in that particular view, walking around elsewhere in that starting area the performance jumps higher to mid 50's.



Finally, snapshot of GPU Tweak II:



max temp of 76 after running through many games, and seems to settle at a boost clock of around 1900. AIBs with better cooling can probably get this to 2000+, but I'm pretty satisfied with the significant performance boosts seen here.

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Old Oct 9, 2018, 01:24 AM   #3
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Congrats. Seems like a decent upgrade for 4K. That price though...
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Nice. Great performance for most games.

We need performance solutions for games that are heavily cpu Hz dependent however.
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At 4K there are no CPU dependancies.

There isn’t much being CPU bound by a 8700K @ 5Ghz though.
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Congrats. Seems like a decent upgrade for 4K. That price though...
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Basically a roughly 20fps upgrade. Since youre gaming at 4k thats the difference between unplayable and playable if you are anal() about having 60 fps.
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I like the results, thanks for taking the time to do this. I don't think I like them enough to pay the price though, just to make a stand on the price hike.

Disappointing though on the noise, temps, and relative fan speeds.
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I like the results, thanks for taking the time to do this. I don't think I like them enough to pay the price though, just to make a stand on the price hike.
I think this is where most of us are at. If NV had asked for a $100-200 price premium then perhaps but these prices are idiotic.
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Thanks for the replies.

Yeah the price is a sticky point, but the card makes all the games I previously put off playable at 4k either at 60fps locked or close to it, at highest in game settings. Kingdom Come Deliverance is now playable at 4k at Very High settings, it was a shitfest with my Asus ROG Strix 1080Ti before, even in OC mode.

There won't be any new cards until May/June of next year, either from AMD or Nvidia. That's a long time to make compromises in 4k with a 1080Ti.

So **** it, I bought it, now I get to enjoy 4k gaming at the detail settings I want with very little compromise, if any. And when the next big thing comes out that beats this at 4k, be it from AMD or Nvidia, I'll get that too.
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Yeah I don't like that it runs hotter than my 1080Ti and I had to set up my own fan profile, but once I set it up, that was it. Peak temps are 76 degrees which is only 5 more than peak temps for my Asus ROG Strix 1080Ti in OC mode. I couldn't tell a difference acoustic wise when playing games. That might be because I game in the living room with a nice home theater setup, the PC is off to the side.

I tested the fans at 100% and as expected, that is loud. I set it up so it will only hit that if GPU temps hit 80 degrees C, and so far it hasn't. 70% appears to be sweet spot at least in my case. There's probably room for a better fan profile that's not as aggressive, but haven't felt a need to touch it again after all my testing.

So in a nutshell I just fire up a game and enjoy.

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Oh, I thought you meant you bought DUAL 2080 Ti's. Now you just need one of those $2000 Gsync HDR displays.
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2080Ti at 3840x2160 Ultra preset, both DX11 and DX12 tested.



DX12 / Ultra preset


DX11 / Ultra preset








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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11987...ition-review/9

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WIll need atleast 3 to drive that 4K 144Hz monitor if eachs scales at 100FPS.
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why is the lighting substantially better in the 2080ti screen shots compared to the 1080ti? In every single game.
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There is no difference in lighting.


Also pretty sure you can get a locked 60fps @ 4k in every game under the sun if you just play on High instead of Ultra, medium shadows and no Ambient Occlusion.
Three things that make a massive impact on framerate for an imperceptible loss in IQ.

I get that it's a 2080Ti, but 4k is still not conquered. And locked 60fps feels .
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Also pretty sure you can get a locked 60fps @ 4k in every game under the sun if you just play on High instead of Ultra, medium shadows and no Ambient Occlusion.
Three things that make a massive impact on framerate for an imperceptible loss in IQ.

I get that it's a 2080Ti, but 4k is still not conquered. And locked 60fps feels .
Turn down settings?

I can tell a difference in shadow quality and ambient occlusion for most games. I'm talking about their differences in "medium" to "high" or "high to ultra".

Sure there might be some games that might be negligible, but not in the games I tested/played.

Anti-aliasing on the other hand, is something I would routinely turn off or down in order to get back performance. But so far not with the 2080Ti.

This card is frickin' fast, it literally demolishes my old Asus ROG Strix 1080Ti in all the demanding titles I threw at it. I posted worst case scenarios in my testing but during actual gameplay I'm able to maintain 60fps vsync locked in most games the majority of the time. Games that made my 1080Ti choke, the 2080Ti handles in stride... even in situations where it doesn't hit 60fps like Kingdom Come Deliverance, the experience is still smooth because we're talking framerates in the 50's vs framerates in the 30's.
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why is the lighting substantially better in the 2080ti screen shots compared to the 1080ti? In every single game.
I don't see a difference. I think what you're seeing might be the slight differences of when the screenshots were taken.

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I don't see a difference. I think what you're seeing might be the slight differences of when the screenshots were taken.
The shadows are softer, there is more detail in visible in the shadows and the brighter areas are brighter. It really stands out in the trees, and the fence in the kingdom come image and also look at the ground in the bottom right corner as well as under and next to the stairs in the 2080ti vs the 1080ti kingdom come image. There are additional rocks on the ground.
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I wonder if the ground texture detail are proceduraly generated in KCD from load to load. The exact same save point was used, VERY HIGH preset. That's how it is for most games regarding ground texture detail I think, like I really doubt devs spend time planting each plant and rock
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I can tell a difference in shadow quality and ambient occlusion for most games. I'm talking about their differences in "medium" to "high" or "high to ultra".

Anti-aliasing on the other hand, is something I would routinely turn off or down in order to get back performance. But so far not with the 2080Ti.
Shadow quality and AO I can only ever tell apart in identical side-by-side screenshots.

AA on the other hand I can't live without.
And regular MSAA won't cut it anymore, I need 2x DSR + FXAA to smooth out shader shimmer and transparencies.

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The shadows are softer, there is more detail in visible in the shadows and the brighter areas are brighter. It really stands out in the trees, and the fence in the kingdom come image and also look at the ground in the bottom right corner as well as under and next to the stairs in the 2080ti vs the 1080ti kingdom come image. There are additional rocks on the ground.
You're right, the Kingdom Come images do look substantially different.
But the rest are more or less identical.

Kingdom Come lighting difference might be due to some dynamic day/night cycle thing?
As for the rocks, ground debris is procedural in modern open-world games.
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This card is frickin' fast, it literally demolishes my old Asus ROG Strix 1080Ti in all the demanding titles I threw at it. I posted worst case scenarios in my testing but during actual gameplay I'm able to maintain 60fps vsync locked in most games the majority of the time. Games that made my 1080Ti choke, the 2080Ti handles in stride... even in situations where it doesn't hit 60fps like Kingdom Come Deliverance, the experience is still smooth because we're talking framerates in the 50's vs framerates in the 30's.
So worth the $ to upgrade?
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So worth the $ to upgrade?
Well I can't speak on your behalf, not sure what your determining factors are.

My determining factors were simply achieving the highest framerates in 4k with the highest amount of detail with the least amount of tradeoff.

Was that worth the $? To me yes, because now I can enjoy the games I put off because of piss poor 1080ti performance in 4k at the detail settings I wanted.

At the same time there are still people standing at the picket line to protest prices. I just won't be one of them. So far I am the only one here that bought one, and if there's 100 active users on this forum that would have otherwise bought one at a cheaper price then I represent only 1% of gained sales. Nvidia still gets the message and I get to game. Win / Win
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So worth the $ to upgrade?
At your resolution, no.
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At your resolution, no.
The 1080Ti is giving 60-70 in Odyssey so trying to determine if the upgrade is warranted. Would I want a 20FPS boost? Yes. Am I willing to pay the premium? Doubt it but.....

Is the 2080Ti even widely available to consider?
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Well I can't speak on your behalf, not sure what your determining factors are.

My determining factors were simply achieving the highest framerates in 4k with the highest amount of detail with the least amount of tradeoff.

Was that worth the $? To me yes, because now I can enjoy the games I put off because of piss poor 1080ti performance in 4k at the detail settings I wanted.

At the same time there are still people standing at the picket line to protest prices. I just won't be one of them.
So far I am the only one here that bought one, and if there's 100 active users on this forum that would have otherwise bought one at a cheaper price then I represent only 1% of gained sales. Nvidia still gets the message and I get to game. Win / Win
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I'll buy one and still bitch like hell

it is not worth it .
800 to 900 yes
1200+ no .

and I fear a price drop after I buy one

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The 1080Ti is giving 60-70 in Odyssey so trying to determine if the upgrade is warranted. Would I want a 20FPS boost? Yes. Am I willing to pay the premium? Doubt it but.....

Is the 2080Ti even widely available to consider?
no

the strix isn't even out yet and I have not seen one 2080 Ti in stock yet watching nowinstock

looking at the MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio also

but never had MSI but reviews put it about the same as the Strix

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