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Old Sep 10, 2018, 01:11 PM   #1
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This could be the first Corvette I'd buy. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I'm curious to see if they have two versions (standard front engine i.e. cheaper, or mid-engine only if it ever actually goes on sale). I have a feeling a mid-engine Corvette with the current horsepower would be a $200k car...

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Old Sep 10, 2018, 10:21 PM   #2
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a mid-engine Corvette with the current horsepower would be a $200k car
Exactly, and it would be a damn shame. I'm absolutely opposed to this nonsense. I think they should just call it something else. It's as much a Corvette as the GTO was a GTO when it "came back".
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Old Sep 11, 2018, 07:20 AM   #3
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Agree that it should not be called a Corvette.

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Well they did keep some semblance of the Corvette look. But Mid-engine totally breaks from every Corvette ever made. I say change the body style and give it another name. Two high performance offerings can't be bad unless they think it'll rob the Corvette of sales. They resisted giving the Camaros really hot engines for the same baseless reason. Now they sell both.
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Well they did keep some semblance of the Corvette look. But Mid-engine totally breaks from every Corvette ever made. I say change the body style and give it another name. Two high performance offerings can't be bad unless they think it'll rob the Corvette of sales. They resisted giving the Camaros really hot engines for the same baseless reason. Now they sell both.
Look, there are two types of buyers for the Corvette:

1. Gearheads who want every ounce of performance

2. Guys going through their midlife crisis who buy the base slushbox and only putter around town and to the golf course

Moving the engine won't hurt sales one bit.
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I read or dreamt Corvette is going to be its own brand.
Perhaps they will keep front engine Stingray variants and introduce the Corvette Inmedio (mid engine)
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Well they did keep some semblance of the Corvette look. But Mid-engine totally breaks from every Corvette ever made. I say change the body style and give it another name. Two high performance offerings can't be bad unless they think it'll rob the Corvette of sales. They resisted giving the Camaros really hot engines for the same baseless reason. Now they sell both.
Camaros have had the same engines for a long time now, since the 90's. Other cars have had them also, like the GTO.
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Moving the engine won't hurt sales one bit.[/QUOTE]

Moving it...maybe not.

The COST of moving it... unquestionably. The best part of the Corvette and a lot of it's success was the cost of it's performance.
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2. Guys going through their midlife crisis who buy the base slushbox and only putter around town and to the golf course.
So? I don't just go to the golf course....
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Camaros have had the same engines for a long time now, since the 90's. Other cars have had them also, like the GTO.
I know Camaros have had some powerful engines. Heck my car has a LS4. But I didn't think they put the top horsepower engines in the Camaros until recently. But then again I haven't kept up like I'm sure you have.
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I know Camaros have had some powerful engines. Heck my car has a LS4. But I didn't think they put the top horsepower engines in the Camaros until recently. But then again I haven't kept up like I'm sure you have.
Sometimes they were the same exact engines, other times they were close.

For example, back in 1998-2002 they both had the LS1.

The ZR1 and ZL1 cars were always similar but made slightly different power.

It's been a mixed bag really.
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Moving it...maybe not.

The COST of moving it... unquestionably. The best part of the Corvette and a lot of it's success was the cost of it's performance.
Mid-engine is not inherently more expensive (IE, Lotus). Corvette's sales volume is what keeps it affordable vs. its competition.
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Mid-engine is not inherently more expensive (IE, Lotus). Corvette's sales volume is what keeps it affordable vs. its competition.
Of course not, I didn't say it was. An MR2 is not expensive and a Lotus Elise is reasonable.

A complete mid-engine re-design of an eighth generation Corvette with a billion horsepower, new engine design, etc etc is not going to cost anywhere near the same as the Corvette that's been at $40-$55k for about 20 years with generational refreshes.
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who are they targeting with this mid engine vette?

-Traditional buyers MAY not want one cuz it is possibly out of the price range.
-Supercar buyers wont want one cuz its a Corvette (not rich snobbiness enough)
-Anti-Muricans wont want one cuz....they're anti-Murican
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who are they targeting with this mid engine vette?
That goes back to my initial premise/questions on *if* there will still be a normal front engine mount Vette and this would be a special version, or if this would be the standard platform....

If it's the former, it would be those customers who currently buy the ZR1. If it's the latter, we'll have to see the price of this thing...
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It will be a beautiful car and no doubt a powerhouse. But as others have said it boils down to price. Plus correct me if I'm wrong. But many times with a completely new design doesn't unforeseen flaws usually crop up in the first production year?
The Pontiac Fiero comes to mind. It had a problem with interior fire. When in fact people were riding the console causing the problem. GM fixed it but it was to late. The car never overcame the stigma.
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That goes back to my initial premise/questions on *if* there will still be a normal front engine mount Vette and this would be a special version, or if this would be the standard platform....

If it's the former, it would be those customers who currently buy the ZR1. If it's the latter, we'll have to see the price of this thing...
My buddies have been ribbing me about this new mid engine thing for a long time now. I kept saying for a while it only made sense to do it if they kept the front engine layout and ran it in tandem with this mid engine platform. Either as two separate types of Vettes, or the mid engine thing is a Vette halo or Cadillac halo car. I guess we'll see what happens, but I really can't see the price being less than $90,000 at the very least if it's mid engine only.

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But many times with a completely new design doesn't unforeseen flaws usually crop up in the first production year?
That's always been a common theme with a lot of cars even with normal redesigns, rather than something this big. Vette's have had problems with even slight redesigns over the years. They've had engine problems with the C5, C6, and, C7's.
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Wow, I hope that's not a Corvette. It sounds terrible. Is that a V6?
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The exhaust is pretty tame, especially if you're used to roaring V8's, but that's definitely not a V6 sound, lol
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The exhaust is pretty tame, especially if you're used to roaring V8's, but that's definitely not a V6 sound, lol
I was joking. It's pathetically tame.
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Some shifts sounded like dual clutch auto and others were slow like std manual.

Would love to see an American, mid-engine, 400+ hp, dual clutch car for well under $100k. /deram
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Definitely auto-manual. The areas where some shifts are happening you wouldn't be one handing it.
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That is the tamest sounding v8 I've heard in a long time. Assuming it's a V8
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Definitely auto-manual. The areas where some shifts are happening you wouldn't be one handing it.
This! Is this what auto makers are all going to these days? I'd prefer purely one or the other. But I don't race either.
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This! Is this what auto makers are all going to these days? I'd prefer purely one or the other. But I don't race either.
Yes. The main reason is gearing. The auto-manual gear boxes are usually 8-speed which allows for torque basically anywhere but would be a pain in the arse to have a 8-speed manual. Typically the makers who also offer a manual alongside their auto-manuals do a 6-speed manual (which makes the acceleration times slower compared to the 8-speed auto-manual).

FWIW, I don't mind the auto-manual in my F-Type. However, I still have the S2000 race car which gives me my manual fix.
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I hope it does sound like that. Really don't get why people want these obnoxiously loud engines.


Looks softly sprung, yet well composed. I like.
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Yes. The main reason is gearing. The auto-manual gear boxes are usually 8-speed which allows for torque basically anywhere but would be a pain in the arse to have a 8-speed manual. Typically the makers who also offer a manual alongside their auto-manuals do a 6-speed manual (which makes the acceleration times slower compared to the 8-speed auto-manual).

FWIW, I don't mind the auto-manual in my F-Type. However, I still have the S2000 race car which gives me my manual fix.
I would kill for a higher cruise gear in my WRX. 6 Speed manual is great, but it would be really great to not be rolling at 3k RPM while I'm on the highway doing 75-80 with traffic.

Auto-manual is the future, unless they come up with some new way to invent the wheel and make 8 gears not cumbersome to deal with entirely manual
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I often skip gears on my 6 speed Z4, 1 to 3 or 2 to 4 if I'm in stop and go to 40mph traffic.

Hell, my dad had a 3 speed pickup and would rarely touch second.

More rumors, the 2020 Corvette will be a hybrid and AWD.
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