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Old Jun 21, 2004, 10:22 AM   #1
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 10:40 AM   #2
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To summarize...

PCIe currently offers nothing over AGP but a small performance decrease if anything.

There is no performance difference between ATI's native solution and Nvidia's bridged solution.

Well, there go PCIe sales out the window...

I know I'm waiting at least a year to take that road now.

My next upgrade will be a 939 pin Atlon AGP board. When the new Athlon chip prices comes down out of the clouds at least.
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 12:51 PM   #3
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PCIe currently offers nothing over AGP but a small performance decrease if anything.

There is no performance difference between ATI's native solution and Nvidia's bridged solution.
I've been saying this for months, feels good seeing the results. Hopefully it'll help someone save a couple of hundred bucks.
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 02:19 PM   #4
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PCIe currently offers nothing over AGP but a small performance decrease if anything.
Assuming you test on unreleased hardware using unreleased drivers, and don't bother to test any software that is designed to use the new features of PCI-E.
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 02:29 PM   #5
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Assuming you test on unreleased hardware using unreleased drivers, and don't bother to test any software that is designed to use the new features of PCI-E.


I assume you are talking about video editing???
If so I would agree, its too bad that wasn't tested.

Myself, I only care about gaming performance and there is no improvement in that area.
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 04:08 PM   #6
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My next upgrade will be a 939 pin Atlon AGP board. When the new Athlon chip prices comes down out of the clouds at least.
That will be sometime in 2005. AMD has abandoned its discounting to Intel prices strategy

Your current setup is really good anyways. It should still work well till then.
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 04:14 PM   #7
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I thought 939 pin boards were just around the corner... There's tons of benchmarks with them everywhere.
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 04:21 PM   #8
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I thought 939 pin boards were just around the corner... There's tons of benchmarks with them everywhere.
they are already here. check www.newegg.com
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Old Jun 21, 2004, 04:40 PM   #9
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939 based products have been here for about 2 weeks already. Low stock of course but check these listings out for your next comp:

Socket 939 Asus A8V K8t800 Pro chipset based mobo - $170
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=240410

Socket 939 Athlon 64 3800+ Retail - $713
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ctCode=80721-R

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Old Jun 21, 2004, 05:25 PM   #11
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I have already decided, I am buying an ASUS A8V mobo (AGP), and an AthlonFX-55 Q4-04... Will work good with my new X800XT-PE
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I have already decided, I am buying an ASUS A8V mobo (AGP), and an AthlonFX-55 Q4-04... Will work good with my new X800XT-PE
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by the time Q4 of 2004 comes around, you dont think there will be a newer video card? if not, then i wanna buy an x800xt now.
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My next upgrade will be a 939 pin Atlon AGP board. When the new Athlon chip prices comes down out of the clouds at least. [/b]
when is it supposed to come down?
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by the time Q4 of 2004 comes around, you dont think there will be a newer video card? if not, then i wanna buy an x800xt now.
Well, my guess is, if any new card does come out Q4-04 (which I do think will happen), it will be a card with the same kind of increase in peformance that the 9800Pro had over the 9700Pro (i.e like 5-10% at best)...
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YEa I myself am quite disappointed also.I thought that there would be a large increase over Agp,especially since PCi-e offers full duplex bandwidth of continuous 4gb/s.It seems that the drivers used in the benchmarks were beta.So hopefully andandtech will update there review.Well guess I wont be upgrading till LongHorn comes out.
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I find it surprising PCI E is slower then AGP now. Thats pretty bad and dissapointing. Just shows you how much improving needs to be done. Im sticking with AGP for a while.
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I don't see the big deal. When AGP first came out, everyone is saying pretty much what their now saying about PCI-E. It was only til rev 2 of agp when 4x became available that all of a sudden there was a wow factor. It'll be the same... next rev will show the promise that's lacking now.
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It will probably all end up being driver related anyhow. As soon as the drivers are mature PCI-E should be fine. At least that's what i'm thinking.

Personally i'm more interested in seeing how PCI-E helps us in the area of SATA and sound cards! That's right. The PCI-E 1X slot that nobody seems to be talking bout. Of course there isn't anything to test on the slot yet. I am VERY interested in this part of PCI-E.
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I hate to say this (because ive already been saying this for 2 months now based on the specifications of PCI-E) BUT I TOLD YOU SO (all advocates of "We are going to *wait* to get an A64 S939 and PCI Express setup") !

Sure if you want to WAIT alot LONGER & spend alot MORE $ for what? Equal performance. Go right on ahead.

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What completely amazes and amuses me is that people will keep on basing their opinions off previews and even place pre-orders for their stuff. Also you simply cannot lead yourself to believe that drivers are mature for PCIe. Seriously, previews mean nothing. Buy something that actually matters and makes sense and also has mature drivers.

Secondly, even games like far cry cannot possibly take advantage of 4 gb/second bandwidth. Actually even actual professional rendering might see slight improvements for now. Nothing to write home about anyways.
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I only had an AGP 2x video card when AGP 8x came out so I don't know about it's release. Were we saying the same thing back then? Mature drivers?
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Well here is a link to Firing squad and I noticed that the pcie at high res with everything turned on did beat the ATI agp card in almost all bench marks this is an ati to ati btw
They also said that if you plan on doing HD video work that the fact that the pcie is duplex it would really save time...

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_x800_x600_xt/
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Old Jun 22, 2004, 01:59 PM   #23
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PCI-E will allow multiple graphics boards...not just one like with AGP.
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