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Old Oct 4, 2011, 05:03 PM   #241
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So it got a A5 processor and 4G speed. Android users, exactly why is this phone underpowered? Is there something out there this phone wont run extremely well? If so what is it? I understand they didn't raise the bar, but I am under the impression this phone catches them up hardware and data wise at least. If I am wrong, let me know, I am not here to argue.
The phone specs are on par with anything Android. What else can they do but up the CPU, memory and camera? Not much. Everything lies in software.
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Old Oct 4, 2011, 05:06 PM   #242
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looking at the chart in the thread below this it appears the A5 chip is twice as fast in that benchmark as the best android offers atm, I am not getting the 4S hate at all. I mean all the complaints about that chart were like well hey thats a tablet these are smartphones so it isnt fair, well now the chip is in a phone so..


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Old Oct 4, 2011, 05:07 PM   #243
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now if Nikon would announce the D800...
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So it got a A5 processor and 4G speed. Android users, exactly why is this phone underpowered? Is there something out there this phone wont run extremely well? If so what is it? I understand they didn't raise the bar, but I am under the impression this phone catches them up hardware and data wise at least. If I am wrong, let me know, I am not here to argue.
I have a 4.3" screen now so the screen is underpowered. I always used sliders or blackberry devices but with a 4.3" screen the keys are large enough to use on screen. I would buy a 4.5" iPhone today but nope I can wait now. 4.3" is my absolute minimum.


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The phone specs are on par with anything Android. What else can they do but up the CPU, memory and camera? Not much. Everything lies in software.
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Old Oct 4, 2011, 05:34 PM   #245
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now if Nikon would announce the D800...
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Do you have to buy the phones through Apple or can you buy them from your cell provider?
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OK, question.

In the screenshots, the white iphone 4S has this second "speaker" slot next to the the forward facing camera, but the black one does not.

Any thoughts what that is?
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Old Oct 4, 2011, 05:40 PM   #248
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I believe thats the light sensor. Its there on the black one, but its black so it blends well.

Skipping this phone...very disappointed.
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Old Oct 4, 2011, 05:46 PM   #249
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I believe thats the light sensor. Its there on the black one, but its black so it blends well.

Skipping this phone...very disappointed.
Hey logical, why is the phone so disappointing? Screen size? Screen type? Price? Personally I thought the a5 was a humongous upgrade, is there something this phone is missing or is the lack of aesthetic upgrade what's pissing you off? I am not sure what they could have added to make it better other than the form factor or screen, specs wise it is really nice IMO, and better than anything else.
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Hey logical, why is the phone so disappointing? Screen size? Screen type? Price? Personally I thought the a5 was a humongous upgrade, is there something this phone is missing or is the lack of aesthetic upgrade what's pissing you off? I am not sure what they could have added to make it better other than the form factor or screen, specs wise it is really nice IMO, and better than anything else.
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For me to get this phone they need to hit these points:
  • Bigger screen, same physical size or only a little bit bigger.
  • Faster Processor, at least something comparable to iPad 2
  • 4g
  • Preferably a little thinner(pushing it though..)
They only hit 2 of my points.. maybe 1 and a half depending on the 4g thing. They delayed the phone by 3-4 months and theres nothing to show for it. We all knew it was going to get some variation of the A5. All the voice to whatever crap is useless to me... Id rather just type it in. I dont use a bluetooth headset. iOS 5 and the cloud are boring to me. I'll stick with my jailbroken iOS4 with lockinfo.
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I have a 4.3" screen now so the screen is underpowered. I always used sliders or blackberry devices but with a 4.3" screen the keys are large enough to use on screen. I would buy a 4.5" iPhone today but nope I can wait now. 4.3" is my absolute minimum.
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Except I'd have considered the 4S if it increased screen size to 4". Otherwise, specs are great, but 3.5" is the deal breaker for me.
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Hey logical, why is the phone so disappointing? Screen size? Screen type? Price? Personally I thought the a5 was a humongous upgrade, is there something this phone is missing or is the lack of aesthetic upgrade what's pissing you off? I am not sure what they could have added to make it better other than the form factor or screen, specs wise it is really nice IMO, and better than anything else.
Let's see 16 months to do what change the proc and fix the crappy antenna problem that was with the iphone4. Total lack of innovation? or Even trying to keep up with competition offerings?
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Let's see 16 months to do what change the proc and fix the crappy antenna problem that was with the iphone4. Total lack of innovation? or Even trying to keep up with competition offerings?
What doesn't it keep up on? Screen size?

In the other thread we had people saying we wouldn't see the iPad 2's A5 squeezed into an iPhone (the performance thread)
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You guys want forced obsolescence?

The current 4 is still a damned fine phone. I'm just glad that most of the upgrades are software based so that I can continue to use it.
this right here. the 4S with it's 543MP2 is nice and all but I'm perfectly happy with my IP4 tbqh

re: today's developments
not to rag on the 4S which is perfectly fine from a hardware standpoint, but considering we already knew what to expect from ios5 for months already I was hoping apple would have something a little more on the bolder side up their sleeves. it will still print money to be sure, but apple had better bump up the release of their next model if they want to keep people's interest

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What doesn't it keep up on? Screen size?

In the other thread we had people saying we wouldn't see the iPad 2's A5 squeezed into an iPhone (the performance thread)
Screen size is one
No 4g yea it has increased HSDPA guess what? That does nothing for every verizon and sprint iphone 4s customer.
512 ram still for a phone that's 300 dollars for a decent capacity?
Could of been thinner
God forbid we can change batteries
How about something interesting? Personally I like how I can dock my bionic to my tv and use it as a netbook. Instead what do we get voice control that there are tons of apps for.


If this phone came out like 6 months after the original 4 it would be fine in my eyes but this long after. Shitting me.
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The lack of 4G is completely unexcusable and is the bulk of the reason Apple stock fell so badly today. They deserve to lose their grip on the smartphone market after this RETAAAARDED move.
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My take: If they would have named it Iphone5 instead of iphone 4s...apple people would be ooh'ing and aah'ing all about how great it is.
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The lack of 4G is completely unexcusable and is the bulk of the reason Apple stock fell so badly today. They deserve to lose their grip on the smartphone market after this RETAAAARDED move.
Fair enouh, I'm on AT&T so I just went along and said, it's faster than 4g for me, but I can see why that would suck for people on other carriers.
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this right here. the 4S with it's 543MP2 is nice and all but I'm perfectly happy with my IP4 tbqh

re: today's developments
not to rag on the 4S which is perfectly fine from a hardware standpoint, but considering we already knew what to expect from ios5 for months already I was hoping apple would have something a little more on the bolder side up their sleeves. it will still print money to be sure, but apple had better bump up the release of their next model if they want to keep people's interest
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My take: If they would have named it Iphone5 instead of iphone 4s...apple people would be ooh'ing and aah'ing all about how great it is.
Garbage take.

They could have named it SUPER IPHONE 69 and it would still be what it is. People recognized it isnt what it should have been...look at the stocks.
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Garbage take.

They could have named it SUPER IPHONE 69 and it would still be what it is. People recognized it isnt what it should have been...look at the stocks.

ONE MORE REASON this launch pisses me off. I own apple stock
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I guess the best plan is to buy apple stock then, because if it's diving like you say it is, then that's where the money will be made, because it isn't like this thing isn't going to sell.
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I will wait for the real iphone 5. I'm not going to settle less than 4g.
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I do find it strange for marketing though to call it the 4s and not 5. Considering iOS 5, and A5, and being the 5th iphone. I guess they were bit underwhelmed them selves and lacked heart in giving the 5 name and instead called it the 4s because thats closer to what it is.
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all they had to do was make it 4g. Not hard to do at all. And their stock would be soaring. The market does not want another 3g pos. Especially the market that pays around as much as an iphone. I guess apple thinks all their market lives out in the boonies or something.
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I do find it strange for marketing though to call it the 4s and not 5. Considering iOS 5, and A5, and being the 5th iphone. I guess they were bit underwhelmed them selves and lacked heart in giving the 5 name and instead called it the 4s because thats closer to what it is.
Releasing a phone that looks identical to the prior and calling it the 5 would even have the zombies going oh wtf.


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"Ladies like the iphone 4s I am clouded in mystery but ultimately a letdown."
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I'm checking out the same photos on apple.com....shens?
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isnt the GPU dual cores as well? which pretty much the reason for its massive performance advantage?
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The only thing I care about is that the 4 is now going to be $99.
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Old Oct 4, 2011, 07:07 PM   #270
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The only thing I care about is that the 4 is now going to be $99.
I'm thinking that might end up being the best stop gap for me as well. $99 bucks and I don't extend my contract.
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