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Old Feb 6, 2016, 02:44 PM   #1
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I know there have been threads on this in the past, but wanted to start a new one. I just bought a cheap 3D printer, the M3D Micro, and printed my first part, and it really came out nicely. I bought the 3D printer to help me make my guitar pickups, and I can already tell it's going to work splendidly.

Here's my first part:



It's a small piece meant for calibrating backlash and other settings. It actually printed out nearly perfectly, even fits a nickel in the middle like it's supposed to. I had to leave for work, but I left it printing a spool holder.

Does anyone else have a 3D printer? I've already started window shopping for my next one, probably a 10" MakerFarm Prusa i3v. The main downside to the M3D Micro is it has to always be plugged into the PC while running. It's also a bit slow.
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I don't have one, but at work I have a lot of specialized parts printed. I've learned that 3D printing is great for some things but not good for others. It depends on the precision you need, and the geometry of the part. I hope it keeps working for what you need.
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Just imagine what it will be doing in the next ten years
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I want one, but I don't have the finances to afford or justify it, since it would basically only be for hobby projects.


There's a ton of technologies for 3d printers and the basic extrusion ones are the least expensive and most prevalent, but there are plenty of printers that do work well for higher precision and durability. I believe the printers they made the first 3d printed metal guns and the rocket engines on used laser sintering, so you have a layer of metal powder laid down on the stage, a laser heats a pattern into it melting the particles together in a very thin sheet, then another layer of powder is put down and the process repeats - it's much more accurate than conventional extrusion because the focus and drive mechanisms of the laser is the limiting factor and it can make much more durable, solid metal parts.... but it takes much longer and is much more expensive.

There's also fancy milling machines that effectively act like subtractive printers (I think that can still be called a printer ), but which can get their cutting bits into much tighter spaces than a normal CnC machine.

I don't know of specific single machines, but your best bet for speed and cost effectiveness right now is probably an extrusion printer that can lay down a filament of a very durable plastic combined with one of these 3d milling machines - so you can mill down to a tighter tolerance and better finish where you need it, but you don't have to start with sheet or block stock.


It's really neat technology and it's really neat to see it progress. So much of the hobby market is still built off of very simple, fairly slow control loops, but it seems like we've got the tech to get 2x the accuracy or better without too much added expense with just some revised heads/control mechanisms... and there are a number of startups trying to do just that.
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There's a ton of technologies for 3d printers and the basic extrusion ones are the least expensive and most prevalent, but there are plenty of printers that do work well for higher precision and durability. I believe the printers they made the first 3d printed metal guns and the rocket engines on used laser sintering, so you have a layer of metal powder laid down on the stage, a laser heats a pattern into it melting the particles together in a very thin sheet, then another layer of powder is put down and the process repeats - it's much more accurate than conventional extrusion because the focus and drive mechanisms of the laser is the limiting factor and it can make much more durable, solid metal parts.... but it takes much longer and is much more expensive.

There's also fancy milling machines that effectively act like subtractive printers (I think that can still be called a printer ), but which can get their cutting bits into much tighter spaces than a normal CnC machine.

I don't know of specific single machines, but your best bet for speed and cost effectiveness right now is probably an extrusion printer that can lay down a filament of a very durable plastic combined with one of these 3d milling machines - so you can mill down to a tighter tolerance and better finish where you need it, but you don't have to start with sheet or block stock.


It's really neat technology and it's really neat to see it progress. So much of the hobby market is still built off of very simple, fairly slow control loops, but it seems like we've got the tech to get 2x the accuracy or better without too much added expense with just some revised heads/control mechanisms... and there are a number of startups trying to do just that.
Thankfully, what I'm doing doesn't need that kind of precision. My day job though is programming one of those crazy 5 axis CNC machines
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I got a flashforge creator x back in spring 2014. It's a blast to have.

Some things I've made so far are a Darth Vader toothbrush holder, model of Winterfell (From GOT), board game called pocket tactics, bunch of Rasberry Pi cases, a big Slytherin (from Harry Potter) crest that my fiancee displays at work, Realistic teeth to put in pumpkin carvings, and plenty of other models and other things I'm forgetting. It's not terribly practical, but lots of fun.

Assuming you're familiar with this site http://www.thingiverse.com/ ? Pretty much the best site to get models that I know of.

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Let me know when they manufacture a machine that can print actual bacon, and doesn't cost more than a decent lawnmower.

I'd print piles of bacon as high as an elephant's eye.
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Jokes aside, a metal printer requires HUGE amounts of energy simply
because of the melting point of various metals...

I can see an aluminum printer being manageable, but a steel one?
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I'd print piles of bacon as high as an elephant's eye.

Well..... there are actually 3d printers that can print living tissue (a printed human ear has been demonstrated, among others), and there are printers that can print meat, though I haven't heard of any bacon settings, specifically.

If your decent lawnmower costs millions of dollars and comes with a support team of experts to run it properly, it may just be in your pricerange
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I listed this one for sale locally, if I can get what I paid for it I'm going to go ahead and get the MakerFarm Prusa i3v. If I can't sell it then I'll just get the Prusa next payday.
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We had a fairly expensive 3d printer at work. When it works, it's great (though slow). However, it's almost never working properly. Things get uncalibrated and starts dragging threads, which cause the head to hit them later and make a mess, or the head gets gummed up, etc.


I don't run it, maybe it's a matter of the guy that does not taking care of it properly, and maybe the technology has gotten better over the past few years, but I can tell you we rarely use it these days because it's a pain in the ass.
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I got permission to "borrow" the supposedly broken MakerBot Replicator 2 we never touch at work. So I brought it home today, couldn't get it to work. Took the head apart, the fan that cools the plastic as its laid down was completely disconnected, and the feeder was jammed. Cleared the jam, resoldered the wire, this thing works beautifully! It's fast too, wow. I didn't expect it to be as fast as it is. This print took all night on my M3D Micro, and will only take an hour and a half on the MakerBot, with higher detail and solid fill.
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The feeder stopped feeding the filament while I was out, only got about 50% of the print. Trying again with different settings. Need to also look into that, see what causes that issue.

edit: Ahh temperature problem. Makes sense. Need to take the extruder apart tomorrow, clear whatever clog is there.
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So far so good on this print with the clear filament at 210C. Hope it keeps rolling.


Edit: it stopped laying down filament shortly after this picture. I'm not sure what to do next. The quality of print on these pieces is excellent, but they're a half inch thick, I can't have them stopping like this.

Edit 2: the front fan isn't coming on, probably causing jams in the extruder.
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Old Feb 26, 2016, 10:13 AM   #25
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was gonna start a new thread, but since this is here..

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Old Feb 26, 2016, 04:23 PM   #26
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The fan was stuck on a small nick in the plastic, so I trimmed the nick and it started spinning just fine. Running a print now, hopefully it works out.
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I started a thread on this last year. We got a Pegasus 3d printer at work. More precise than most others I've seen, definitely for the price. We're same as you Elysian a machine shop. Used it to make a few jigs n fixtures. Waiting for harder material though as they eventually break with the plastic they force you to use. Don't get me started on "brand new" subtractive manufacturing AKA tabletop cnc.
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I started a thread on this last year. We got a Pegasus 3d printer at work. More precise than most others I've seen, definitely for the price. We're same as you Elysian a machine shop. Used it to make a few jigs n fixtures. Waiting for harder material though as they eventually break with the plastic they force you to use. Don't get me started on "brand new" subtractive manufacturing AKA tabletop cnc.
How is that Pegasus?
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Probably best one for the price at the time. Prints more accurate than others on the market at the time. Will print from a file directly in the machine or WiFi from PC or Internet. I just found the build plate would sometimes ruin a print as the print would get suctioned onto the bottom of the VAT. The provided plastic is a tad brittle for jigs/fixtures. Apparently there's other 3rd party plastic u can use but I haven't tried. Supposed to be way harder when cured. Also their newer phoenix printer supposed to be better.
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