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Old Feb 1, 2002, 08:13 PM   #1
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Firingsquad has a new news item up describing new ati cards that'll be comming out, but they mention that they've heard that ati will be pulling out if the high end market. Get over there and knock some sence in them , they're not pulling out now and they shouldn't be putting up "things they've heard" as a news item.
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Old Feb 1, 2002, 08:53 PM   #2
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Default Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me.

Heck, as everyone seems to enjoy pointing out to me their high-end makes up a very small amount of their sales; but it I bet it causes them some of the biggest headaches! They don't have the mentality nor do they seem willing to even try and find out what that mentality should be towards the high-end gamer! They figure if they show a cute girl's navel with their logo on it it'll be good enough to get a gamer to buy it. (Gotta wonder if they've checked the gamers demographics lately?)

ATI pulling out of the high-end race would probably be a smart move for them, so don't worry they'll never do it. ATI's common sense seems about as good as it's drivers.
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Old Feb 1, 2002, 09:26 PM   #3
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I wouldn't worry at all about ATI pulling out of the high end market. To much coming down that line that so few know about.
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Old Feb 1, 2002, 09:31 PM   #4
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The link is down at the moment but just for a minute think about how silly that rumour is. It is a known fact that the R300 which is ATI's next big gaming card is being used by Microsoft for the DX9 reference card. Not only that but the increased sales from the new OEMS like Hercules and Gigabyte.

BTW wanderer, if your not happy with your card take it back, I'll be enjoying Unreal 2 with great visuals and speed. There is not a thread where you have managed to somehow cheap shot ATI, you do it here and at Nvnews..so if you like the grass over on the other side, be my guest and spare the forum from continuous drivel.




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Old Feb 1, 2002, 09:47 PM   #5
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I certainly hope its not true. The more players in the high end market the better. If Nvidia ruled the market we'd be paying 1000 bucks for video cards. Isn't firingsquad known for being a tad on the ureputable side anyway?
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Old Feb 1, 2002, 11:39 PM   #6
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I certainly hope its not true. The more players in the high end market the better. If Nvidia ruled the market we'd be paying 1000 bucks for video cards. Isn't firingsquad known for being a tad on the ureputable side anyway?
i found it odd that they would post that because i think firingsquad is on the more reputable side. they usualy dont post word of mouth like some sites i know.
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Old Feb 1, 2002, 11:45 PM   #7
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I think every card started out as a high end card. Unless you specifically designed something for low cost (kyro comes to mind), most products migrate from the high end to the low as they age.

Hence, I don't see ATI ever pulling out of the high end. They may, however, pull out of winning the "speed crown" race. Price performance champion may ring much better with the OEM's. In other words, stay a small step behind Nvidia, but price very aggressively. Getting 90% of the performance for half the price appeals to the masses.
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 12:37 AM   #8
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That is the biggest bunch of **** Ive ever heard. ATI will never get out of the High end market because thats all thier is. Maybe they will sell out to Nvida yesterday too!!. What a bunch of crap.
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I took it as they will stop manufacturing the cards, but still make the chips. They have so many 3rd party companies making cards now there really isn't a reason to make them too.

When was the last time you bought an NVidia card? They can cut a whole division of their company, dropping everything needed to support their own line of cards and just concentrate on chips and drivers.

I have afeeling the r300 is the last ATI branded card we'll see. This scenario is not so crazy sounding, nor really that bad for us. There must be reasons why so many OEMs jumped ship to support the 8500 line. This could have been one of the stipulations....
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 01:26 AM   #10
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dont see why they would want to do that. they already have working facilities and infrastructure. unless its cutting into the bottom line.
nvidia never had that in the first place though, neither did 3dfx.
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I don't believe it, but I can easily see why they would do such a thing. If someone doesn't get the most of their money from the high end, and their obviously pouring alot of work and thus money into it, why continue doing it?

Of course when I last checked out ATi's site they discontinued a ton of things (not sure how long that list went, I only looked at a small part) so their only remaining line is the Radeons... but I'm getting to the point where I'm babbling since I seem not to really care, either way, I don't think they would stop, unless making these nice cards and having people whine about their drivers (since they know what a driver is ^-^) has got the best of them. Or maybe they just will be making high end chips, and leave the cards to someone else
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 01:40 AM   #12
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this FS news post deserves a LOL
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 01:41 AM   #13
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I don't see ATI pulling out of anything but placing more pressure on all fronts.
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I cannot believe, after everyone here has heard all the news about companies like Hercules manufacturing cards based on the 8500, that a statement like that has any credibility whatsoever. ATI would be insane after so many wins to drop the ball now.
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 10:17 AM   #15
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I think the way FS worded this post gave the wrong impression. I'm somewhat in agreement with the one guy who thinks that the true meaning of this bit of info is that ATI will slowly begin to transition to an OEM-only manufacturer...and let the other OEM's deal with the highend.

I don't really know if it makes a lot of sense, but you really never know...The guys who fully understand the financial side of things might very well be looking @ their numbers, and saying, "Hey...we would stand to make a significantly larger chunk of change if..."

Clearly, ATI isn't going to stop making highend chips, because we already know (to a certain degree) about R300...and that is NOT a lowend chip.

Perhaps what will happen is that from R300 on, they will only sell R300 chips to their OEM's, and concentrate on selling the budget versions.
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The link is down at the moment but just for a minute think about how silly that rumour is. It is a known fact that the R300 which is ATI's next big gaming card is being used by Microsoft for the DX9 reference card. Not only that but the increased sales from the new OEMS like Hercules and Gigabyte.

BTW wanderer, if your not happy with your card take it back, I'll be enjoying Unreal 2 with great visuals and speed. There is not a thread where you have managed to somehow cheap shot ATI, you do it here and at Nvnews..so if you like the grass over on the other side, be my guest and spare the forum from continuous drivel.




i will second that!
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sorry digital but me 3
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 11:00 AM   #18
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Type,

Quote:
Hey...we would stand to make a significantly larger chunk of change if..
I think you're on to something here..... I really think that the ""GUYS"" that do the financial ""THINGS" do speak like this.

You are just as bad; adding fuel to ""THINGS"" with you pointing out that quote at nVnews and going " HMMMMMMMMMM"

hehehehehe.

I want to see how many consumers may fall victim with the GeForce4 MX with it's 24-26 almost DirectX 8 shader instructions and 1.3 pixel combiner instructions into thinking it has DirectX shaders and 1.3 OpenGL shaders.

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If that isn't meant to mislead... heck, I don't know what is.

nVidia at it's finest.

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Just to let you gys know, That is completely utter bs,they have a full product line already for this year.

r250= announce cebit 128megs ram 350/350 .15micron

r300=announced middle of Q2 2002(may-april) 400/400 .13 micron

r350 announced middle of Q4 2002 450/unknown ram .13 micron

this is from dev docs from ati!!!
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Old Feb 2, 2002, 11:55 AM   #21
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waidy minute.....

wasn't the r250 supposed to be @ 300/300?!

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not 300/300 is the r8500xt based on r200 chip
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ah, I see

THX for the info!

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well david corrected me....its 350/700......i was told earlier 300/600 but it seems specs changed
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dont see why they would want to do that. they already have working facilities and infrastructure. unless its cutting into the bottom line.
nvidia never had that in the first place though, neither did 3dfx.
They could manufacture Cards and give them to the OEMs, so that tey only need too make a pakage
many Firms are just Labelers, like ELSA.
So they need someone who makes The Cards for them.

I think, that ATI sells Chip or a complete Card to the OEMs, depends on what the OEM wants
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I haven't read the article because it's not working right now, but is it possible that when they say "High end" they are reffering to professional range of cards like the fireGL?
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Well, if for some reason ATI runs into heavy trouble with drivers again with the new chips, I feel that many, many of us may have had it, and they may actually cease to be profitable in the high end. However, the chance is slim that any of this will happen soon, if ever. It's like Nvidia quitting in the graphics industry next month because they determined that mainboard chipsets are more profitable, or some crazy crap.
I am really hoping both Nvidia and ATI continue putting out high end chips for some time, and that ATI and Nvidia both become on par with each other, producing incredible drivers to go with their incredible hardware. We really do need at least two competitors, though, as we all know.
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yes shadowcast, competition is needed.

it benefits everyone as the two companies try to get our custom, with better products, and prices. great for the consumer.


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