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Old Oct 21, 2008, 12:45 PM   #31
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...10051&Itemid=1

Looks like the 3d glasses may be bundled.
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Old Oct 22, 2008, 03:51 PM   #32
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I just wish they would release the damn things.

I hate waiting
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Old Oct 22, 2008, 03:54 PM   #33
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I do as well and getting tough to find new information but still plugging away. Can't wait to hear gaming views from this when released and can't wait to share views about this with others, too.
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Also in this article of Graphics Plus it touches on Stereo 3d and actually hits home on one of the reasons why Stereo 3d is appealing:

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I must say that I was quite impressed with the last bit that makes up Graphics Plus- 3D Stereo technology that was demonstrated on a 120Hz Viewsonic LCD panel. What it does is overlay two images and using nVidia’s 3D glasses, makes games appear in 3D. It really makes the 3D experience quite amazing and is something that will make you want to go back and play your favorite games all over again
A nice out-of-the-box ability but notice another A word -- Amazing. It's used all the time and it's amazing that amazing is used a lot to describe the effect, hehe!

http://www.tbreak.com/articles/4/1/n...iew/Page1.html
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3D Entertainment Summit Expands Speaker Lineup with James Cameron as a Keynote Speaker and Day Two Luncheon Presenter with 3D Visionary, Vince Pace
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"Stereoscopic 3D is the most exciting evolution in cinema presentation since color and widescreen,"

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081106/lath102.html?.v=101



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Additional speakers include: Michael Lewis, Chairman/CEO and Co-Founder, Real D, Joshua Greer, President and Co-Founder, Real D, Sandy Climan, CEO, 3Ality Digital, LLC, Steve Schklair, CEO, 3Ality Digital Systems, John Fithian, President and CEO, NATO, Buzz Hays, Senior Producer, Sony Pictures Imageworks,Chuck Viane, President of Distribution, Disney Pictures, Jim Tharp, President of Distribution, Paramount, Motion Picture Group, Vincent Maza, Solutions Marketing Manager, Avid Technology Inc., David Cohen, Associate Editor, Features,Variety, Charlotte Jones, Senior Analyst, Film and Cinema, Screen Digest, Jeffrey B. Logsdon, Managing Director, Media & Entertainment, BMO Capital Markets, Marty Shindler, CEO, The Shindler Perspective, Inc., Peter Cane, Publisher, Box Office Magazine, Andrew Oliver, Co-Founder & C.T.O., Blitz Games Studios Ltd., Neil Schneider, President, Meant to Be Seen Andrew Fear, Product Manager, SLI and Stereoscopic 3D Solutions, NVIDIA Corporation, Alex Ben Block, Show Business Historian, and Editor-at-Large, The Hollywood Reporter, Chris Marlowe, Digital Media Consultant, Peter Debruge, Associate Editor, Features, Variety, John Nicolard, Head of Digital Production, FotoKem Digital Film Services, Jeff McNall, Cinema Product Manager, Dolby Laboratories, Inc., Andrew Stucker, Director of Sony Electronics Digital Cinema Systems
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I'm listening to the conference call from nVidia and CEO was discussing Stereo 3d and will save most of the exciting details when launched. The CEO was using quotes from various sources and the "A" words again, hehe, "amazing" and "awesome" was used. It's truly amazing how these A words are used to explain the effect over-and-over. Can't ignore this and must find out if its true or not, hehe!

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Is it out yet?
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Nope, but it's getting very close by passing it's design validation tests (DVT) according to some.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...tereoscopic-3d

I'm going to wait probably 'till the newer monitors are offered but good to see stereoscopic get this huge kick in the ass. It must be very, very close if the CEO was talking about it in the conference call one may imagine.
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Old Nov 20, 2008, 08:25 PM   #39
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Since 3d Stereo is part of Graphics Plus, hehe, nVidia seemed to improved the marketing materiel.

http://www.nvidia.com/content/graphi.../us/index.html
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What are the 3d display options (glasses, monitors et cetera...) available now? I used to use stereo 3d all the time until my glasses broke.

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Right now our glasses support the new ViewSonic® pure 120 Hz LCDs, Mitsubishi® 3D DLP® HDTVs, generic Texas Instruments checkerboard pattern 3D, and analog CRTs that support at least 100 Hz refresh rate.
The key to look forward to in the future is "3d ready displays" and actually was researching this last night as the industry seems to be moving in this direction. The first monitor suppose to be the Viewsonic 22 inch monitor and have my eye on it but waiting for it to be released -- pretty soon ( maybe 1 month or two away would be my guess.)

Researched the quotes of people that witnessed the effect and amazing and awesome ( A words) were used all the time. The magic wording of Crystal Clear was used by Mark Rein of Epic -- this was what I wanted to hear, if true, based on past solutions offered ghosting type effects that would break immersion after one adjusts to the newness of the 3d effect.

Another area was driver commitment and compatible gaming aspects -- sli gaming -- doesn't make sense if you can't enjoy this in a multitude of games including DirectX 10, and Sli. Things to investigate.

Don't know what the prices will be yet but the CEO did touch on Stereo 3d in the conference call and basically offered most of the exciting details will be offered at launch. To mention it in the conference call, one may imagine the launch may be soon as with most of the details. To include it in Graphics Plus or the GeForce With-In PR programs shows to me that nVidia is serious about bringing this to the gamer.

Working on this for years to improve this and another thing is it brings new gaming experiences to the PC arena to add immersion. Is it for everyone? No but as costs drop for 3d ready devices moving foward, many more gamers may desire to try it and enjoy it. It seems to me, nVidia is trying to create a market and be one of the leaders instead of waiting.

Personally did go bonkers for this and PhysX -- can't help it considering how much I feel about gaming experience factors.
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Just a small nugget of nVidia information with Stereo 3d and FarCry -- touches on newer drivers:

http://www.mtbs3d.com/cgi-bin/game_r...7#introduction

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The good news is NVIDIA tells me FarCry 2 looks very good with their upcoming drivers, and we will update their review portion as soon as they are available.
More concerned with how FarCry looks with the new glasses and monitor. Glad to see there are avenues a gamer may take to have stereo3d now but will see if nVidia's new offering hopefully soon will be worth the hype ( considering it is included in the GeForce Plus PR program)
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Just an example where the industry is moving towards 3d:

http://dvice.com/archives/2008/11/3d_nfl_football.php
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This isn't coming till 2009 is it?
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I was hoping around November, December time-line. There hasn't been much to find as of late to add to this thread but will continue to try to find things. Like to see or find something about the monitors.
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There is nice information in those reads:


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For the time being the market has yet to provide the LCD on sale 120Hz, 120Hz will be the first to support the Viewsonic product is expected to come in January 2009 listing, Samsung will next year launch of the first quarter of 120Hz.
Touched on offering 3d for pictures and video and games DirectX 7 above for the most part.
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This link provided by Zogrim in the Physx thread also offers a bit of information about Stereo 3d.

http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16554

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It also demonstrated its new 3D technology called GeForce 3D Vision, which looked promising, but does require special glasses and a ‘3D ready' display. It will be launched at CES in January.
We know the launch time-line and arena, hehe!
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http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...lc-926684.html

The Iz3d monitor, etc. has been reduced to a much more affordable 399 price-point area. What I am hoping for is around this similar price-point for the new viewsonic monitor -- soon to be released.


Source for the link and some passionate stereo posters:

http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2315
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I read reviews about the IZ3D monitor. It works a little differently than what Nvidia intends to release. IZ3D basically puts two LCD panels in one monitor. It makes for great 3D, but poor text / 2D readibility compared to regular LCD's.
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I read reviews about the IZ3D monitor. It works a little differently than what Nvidia intends to release. IZ3D basically puts two LCD panels in one monitor. It makes for great 3D, but poor text / 2D readibility compared to regular LCD's.
Polarization lenses = crap. They darken the image you are viewing by about 50%, and if you crank the brightness to compensate for it, you end up with ghosting artifacts since polarisation will never achieve a 100% discrete image.

High frequency alternate image is better, but requires more technology to get it right since any failure in sync between the screen and the LCD glasses will result in complete chaos. Polarization is "cheaper" in that regard.
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Nice to have more details. I'll just use my CRT to play around with 3d 'till the newer monitors are offered.

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Nvidia's 3D stereo has been pushed from original Q4 2008 to Q1 2009. The reason is quite simple, the display industry is not fast enough to bring 120Hz displays to the market; and this is the crucial point of 3D stereo technology.

You need at least 60Hz per eye to feel comfortable and currently there are just a few monitors that can do this, but they are based on old technology and cost quite a lot of money. The next generation 120Hz monitors should be only a tad more expensive than the current 60Hz, at least this is what Nvidia told us back in August. At that same time, we had a chance to see the new 3D stereo glasses and drivers, but the production and availability to retail have been pushed to Q1 2009, hopefully January time.

3D stereo does look great, but it might suffer from the fact that it looks much better when you look at static and slow scenes and in fast games such as FPS games you might lose some of the 3D feeling when you run. We still think that this is the way to go, and most importantly you don’t get a headache from the glasses, something that was the case 5 years ago when Nvidia introduced 3D stereoscopic gaming glasses.

The other issue is that we still don’t know the price of the glasses, but bear in mind that you need to buy a new monitor to make this work.
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One of the things I've tried to do is try to find quotes from people that have witnessed game-play with the glasses:

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And after sitting down and playing Left 4 Dead (remember, that’s not a TWIMTBP title) using Nvidia’s upcoming 3D glasses, the experience is a real game-changer. That’s a topic for another day (soon), though.
Have not read one first hand view so far that said it sucked yet - or there was ghosting or blur, etc.. Usually Awesome and amazing..............or something to this reviewers view.......... a real game-changer.

I don't know what he means by soon but I guess will find out soon enough, hehe! Still imagining a horde of 3d stereo zombies in that title.........must be a hoot considering the way they move and one with the tongue that grabs people.............imagine that coming out of the screen, hehe!

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforc...-31470-11.html
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This is some info on the Fudzilla link Caveman kindly offered:

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I spoke with Viewsonic yesterday and today, and this is the first they have heard of this. They have reached out to their NVIDIA contacts to see, but as NVIDIA hasn't come forward to MTBS, end of 2008 is super close anyway, and Viewsonic is planning on demoing at CES as planned (we were invited for a demo)...I think this is a non-news story and I see no cause to go crazy over it. I mean, how could they not delay to Q1 2009?!?

http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2422
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Here was another first hand view in the link that madyasiwi kindly offered above. I tend to look for these more than anything else right now. This means nothing unless they deliver a compelling gaming experience.

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in case of Age of Empires III, I want to play the game again, as soon as I am able to lay my hands on these glasses.
The reason why 3d stereo never did take off was compatible and quality aspects to me. If these things are solved --- really believe gamers will take notice. Not at the start for many, but as the technology matures and industry moves more-so in this direction, and as prices drop and gamers hear more positive views........they may try it and like it.

It's great to see a company try to create a market here.
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http://forums.slizone.com/index.php?...dpost&p=255861


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I can say its one of the most awesome things I have used in a long time.
The part that is incredible is so many say "A" words like awesome and amazing when discussing the new glasses. There is no doubt this is what ChrisRay is talking about to me.
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Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but doesn't this also require a framerate of 120hz/120fps/60fps-per-eye? Or can it run at 120Hz/60fps/30fps-per-eye where each eye sees the same image twice in a row?
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I think its the former. This is going to be a hard sell, as its really expensive to get into. 120hz display, stereo goggles, highend sli... all signs pointing towards niche market for the gamer who has everything.
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If the industry wasn't moving to "3d ready" displays would agree. It may be niche for early adopters but as time passes this may be important and grow.

This technology isn't about launch but years moving forward to me.

For this to grow:

1) Monitors evolve and improve and if many more monitors offer "3d ready" with pricing affordable. You have to remember movies and the entertainment sector is really looking at 3d now -- not just games.

2) Compatibility -- if titles don't work -- what's the point?

3) Quality -- if gamers don't receive a "WOW" factor and impressed by it -- what's the point?

4) Flexibility -- if gamers can't enjoy levels of 3d with single to Sli --- what's the point?

5) Pricing -- history teaches us pricing changes over time and for many reasons. Can see higher prices for early adopters but as time passes very affordable for many.

If done right -- this product may change the way gamers look at gaming. We talk 3d -- think we're seeing in 3d but in 2d. This is true 3d.

If it is a gimmick -- will fail. If it is quality -- may slowly succeed and help redefine gaming. There is only one way to find out -- by offering it and oh, so welcomed. Open minded and desire this to succeed and rock. This market didn't succeed in many cases in the past because there wasn't enough compatible and quality aspects and too expensive to boot.
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