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Old Oct 29, 2012, 05:53 PM   #1
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/n...etition-fight/

Pretty amazing what they did with the Nexus 10.

If only MS had given Surface this kind of hardware.
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I agree on the hardware side of things. Software on the other hand isn't even close.
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The screen: incredible.
The design: the most horrible thing I've seen in my life.
The price: pretty damn good.
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So awesome for $400. I will definitely consider one of these for Christmas. Also (not in the article), it appears the Nexus 10 will have GPS.
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Overall, Surface is still the better Tablet. Modern UI is a great tablet interface, better than Android. Specs don't matter anymore.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 06:21 PM   #6
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I'm inclined to agree with that, but still....2500x1600...whoa.
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I see they learned from their mistake with the Nexus 7 and included a rear camera.
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I agree on the hardware side of things. Software on the other hand isn't even close.
I love Android on my phone but don't think they really have the software to make full use of the Nexus 10 hardware. Makes me kind of sad. Depending on what you want, iOS is a little better in this regard but full MS Office makes Windows RT the winner for me. If I were to buy another tablet, it would almost certainly be a Win RT tablet, though that isn't likely either right now.

There is a really cool interface app for my Canon SLR that is not available on iOS. Not something I would bother to run on a tablet. Perfect for using with an old phone though.

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The screen: incredible.
The design: the most horrible thing I've seen in my life.
The price: pretty damn good.
I like the design alright, would have to hold it in my hands to really judge. I think they were looking for a shape that would differentiate it from the ipad.

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So awesome for $400. I will definitely consider one of these for Christmas. Also (not in the article), it appears the Nexus 10 will have GPS.
That is cool.

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Overall, Surface is still the better Tablet. Modern UI is a great tablet interface, better than Android. Specs don't matter anymore.
I agree with the first half and disagree with the second half. There is software not currently available on these systems in part because of hardware limitations. Mathematicha is one I would like to see. My artist room mate would like to see some solid content creation type software. Programs like ArtRage still lag on current hardware and there isn't anything close to photoshop. At least pressure sensitive pens are starting to become available. I am hoping the Win8 eco system will lead towards some more serious tablet apps.

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I see they learned from their mistake with the Nexus 7 and included a rear camera.
Camera or no camera doesn't bother me hardly at all. I can always take a picture with my phone and it will instantly go to the cloud and be available on my tablet.
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Old Oct 29, 2012, 10:51 PM   #9
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Damn I'm turning into a Google fanboy.

Anyway, I can't help but wonder. How would the performance of the two Nexus tablets compare? 2500x1600 seems a lot for a dual-core A15 to handle.
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The new Nook HD+ is a WAY better deal.
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The new Nook HD+ is a WAY better deal.
Price is better and specs are pretty decent, but the Nexus is pretty beastly.
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Yeah it is, but for the money I think you could do almost as much for less cash with a Nook HD+. It has a 1.5GHZ dual core and 1GB memory... not bad for $269.
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Yeah it is, but for the money I think you could do almost as much for less cash with a Nook HD+. It has a 1.5GHZ dual core and 1GB memory... not bad for $269.
Agreed, I don't really find the price all that amazing.
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The screen, processor, GPU are much better. They are finally using A15 ARM in a tablet. It will be really fast, much faster than the Nook HD+. It will not even be close. the CPU and GPU between the two is miles apart. Read up on the Exynos 5 Dual. That CPU has USB 3.0 and SATA 3. I would like to see this SOC in some convertible laptops.

It's probably worth $150 more. Because it's a Nexus it will be well supported. Amazon vs B&N is one thing but Nexus vs B&N is much different.

Not supporting SD card sucks but I'll probably buy one when there is a sale for $350 (or $299 like I did with my TF101).
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Impressive pricing! This is what Surface RT should've been. Pretty hard to not at least take a look at this.
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Impressive pricing! This is what Surface RT should've been. Pretty hard to not at least take a look at this.
Surface doesn't really need to attract customers with low pricing. It's a fantastic tablet and priced appropriately.

Looking forward to some 2560x1600 upscaled phone Apps on the Nexus though
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Surface doesn't really need to attract customers with low pricing. It's a fantastic tablet and priced appropriately.

Looking forward to some 2560x1600 upscaled phone Apps on the Nexus though
To be fair, the extra resolution is still useful for content viewing like web surfing and digital magazines.

Would be really nice to have some good Android content creation software though.
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Would be really nice to have some good Android content creation software though.
This is what is really keeping me from leaning either W8/iPad.

I just haven't seen to many 'stellar' looking games for the Android os, sure the Racing games look great like Asphalt and such, but a lot of the other FPS and other games are really few and far between.
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This is what is really keeping me from leaning either W8/iPad.

I just haven't seen to many 'stellar' looking games for the Android os, sure the Racing games look great like Asphalt and such, but a lot of the other FPS and other games are really few and far between.
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Surface doesn't really need to attract customers with low pricing. It's a fantastic tablet and priced appropriately.
Is it just me or do you like running around kicking people in the nuts just for the sake of being "against"? Because the sounds around the web were 180 degrees opposit to what you just said: Way to pricey for a meh experience.

On a second note, you will need the Surface Pro to be allowed to use it for business CLICK unless you have a office 365 license and it lacks some features which I know a lot of people use when they use their laptop/tablet for biz:
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Also not included are some email sending features, because Windows RT doesn't use Outlook or other desktop mail applications. Users can send Office content with the OS's native mail application.

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I'm not saying it's a bad tablet or OS, just not as holy as you make it out to be.

Last: I rather have the option of using an app scaled to fullscreen than having it running stampsized or not at all.
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I'm not saying it's a bad tablet or OS, just not as holy as you make it out to be.

Last: I rather have the option of using an app scaled to fullscreen than having it running stampsized or not at all.
When did I say Surface is "holy"? That's not my opinion at all. But it's definitely not overpriced. Surface RT doesn't need to engage in a price war or attract customers that way. It is good enough to succeed.

About the App scaling: Forcing developers to have different layout files for the iPad is a good thing. That way, the developers have to start fresh for the tablet and might come up with a great interface, which wouldn't really work on a phone.
Allowing the phone UI to scale up leaves the "easy way out" open to the developer and most of them are fine with that apparently.
This is similar to the "desktop is still there for Office" dilemma on Windows RT. It's the easy way out and not done properly.
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The Nexus 10 looks awesome... DAT SCREEN.. combined with the price. Ive been mulling over getting a tablet so my GF can browse in bed and this might be the one in regards to price performance.
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Allowing the phone UI to scale up leaves the "easy way out" open to the developer and most of them are fine with that apparently.
This is similar to the "desktop is still there for Office" dilemma on Windows RT. It's the easy way out and not done properly.
Yes. It provides compatibility. I'd rather have ugly compatibility for my necessary apps. Function is always first over form imo.
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Yes. It provides compatibility. I'd rather have ugly compatibility for my necessary apps. Function is always first over form imo.
I can understand that.
Compatibility and compromise. They often go hand in hand but sometimes they're on opposite sides of the table It all depends on how you approach a problem.
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Looking forward to some 2560x1600 upscaled phone Apps on the Nexus though
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Remember when the new iPad shipped and everyone was scrambling to update their apps to support it? There's no need here. The way Android is structured, apps just natively support the higher resolution. We tried dozens of apps, including third-party browsers like Dolphin and lots of different random utilities and games, and we didn't spot a hint of blurry text.

Of course, some feature graphics and assets that could use a higher degree of polish now that they're being consumed at such a preposterous resolution, and those with less than 20/20 vision may be squinting at some occasionally tiny text, but on average it's a big step above the blurry messes that many tablet apps were on the Retina iPad when it first launched

Seems it handles upscaling quite well actually.
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Seems it handles upscaling quite well actually.
I've never excepted issues with blurry text thanks to Android's mechanisms.
What I meant was phone layouts upscaled for tablets.
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Well, the Nexus 10 was compelling because of the screen, but having read the Engadget review, no thanks. Limited storage and poor contrast on the screen means no way. Battery life sucks too. Nexus line is dead to me until they bring back the expandable storage.
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skimmed through the engadget review
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/

Anandtech and Mobiletechreview are the sites I would prefer to see reviews from. Engadget doesn't do the most thorough or accurate reviews IMO. They are more focused on getting it out the door ASAP.
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skimmed through the engadget review
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/

Anandtech and Mobiletechreview are the sites I would prefer to see reviews from. Engadget doesn't do the most thorough or accurate reviews IMO. They are more focused on getting it out the door ASAP.
There is a performance preview up at Anand: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/g...exus-10-review
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