Consolization of pc games

Mrpleeb · Mar 23, 2011, 03:11 PM

This month has been a frustrating one for us pc gamers, with the release of Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 being dissapointments.But after buying Crysis 2 for pc yesterday it really frustrates me to see what developers are doing with the medium.This dumbing down of the product for mass market has got to stop, i want my games for pc like they used to be.To me it just reeks of a quick buck and lack of a real commitment to delivering a a + quality product that pc gamers really deserve.

p.s... arghh i miss the quick save feature {crysis 2}

Ego · Mar 23, 2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrpleeb

p.s... arghh i miss the quick save feature

You have it in Dragon Age 2. Don't use it though, it will invest your machine with consolitis, or something

Sundance Kid V2 · Mar 23, 2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrpleeb

This month has been a frustrating one for us pc gamers, with the release of Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 being dissapointments.But after buying Crysis 2 for pc yesterday it really frustrates me to see what developers are doing with the medium.This dumbing down of the product for mass market has got to stop, i want my games for pc like they used to be.To me it just reeks of a quick buck and lack of a real commitment to delivering a a + quality product that pc gamers really deserve.

p.s... arghh i miss the quick save feature {crysis 2}

you sound surprise.. consoles are the thorn in gaming. But you know what.. I haven't upgraded my graphics card (8800 gts) in 4 years

. And I can still play games .

Debonair · Mar 23, 2011, 03:27 PM

yeah i'm on a 260 GT card and have no reason to upgrade just yet for PC gaming.

To be honest, i've not seen graphics on my PC like I have on my PS3. Graphically the PS3, some games, surpass the PC, a 4 year old system !

I'll probably upgrade for Skyrim and Guild Wars II and Rage. The future isnt bleak, you also have Homefront and Brink.

D

AllexxisF1 · Mar 23, 2011, 03:39 PM

Skyrim and BF3 will start turning the tide once again. Those glorified toaster ovens have had their day.

Mangler · Mar 23, 2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

Skyrim and BF3 will start turning the tide once again. Those glorified toaster ovens have had their day.

Isn't the xbox 360 the lead platform for skyrim?

DeathKnight · Mar 23, 2011, 04:00 PM

AllexxisF1 · Mar 23, 2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangler

Isn't the xbox 360 the lead platform for skyrim?

Crap.

acroig · Mar 23, 2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathKnight

Scart · Mar 23, 2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangler

Isn't the xbox 360 the lead platform for skyrim?

Mods. Mods. And once more - mods.

TheScott2K · Mar 23, 2011, 06:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5_K_pUKEJY

nomore · Mar 23, 2011, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrpleeb

This dumbing down of the product for mass market has got to stop, i want my games for pc like they used to be.

well then buy 100,000 copies of each pc game instead of just buying 1 copy, so the developers won't dumb things down because of the console versions selling more.

Destroy · Mar 23, 2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scart

Mods. Mods. And once more - mods.

Can't fight it so, yeah mods are the only answer. Wait for tweaks and mods to turn most consolized games back to more proper PC standards.

KAC · Mar 23, 2011, 07:16 PM

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zodiak · Mar 23, 2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

Skyrim and BF3 will start turning the tide once again. Those glorified toaster ovens have had their day.

Did you miss Oblivion?

bobvodka · Mar 23, 2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

Skyrim and BF3 will start turning the tide once again. Those glorified toaster ovens have had their day.

In the office (my day job is a graphics programmer) we've been kicking around some thoughts and we've come to the conclusion that unless MS do something the next generation of consoles will, if not kill out right, leave PC gaming for anything outside of MMO, RTS, TBS and 'facebook games' on life support.

Right now the PC has a Mhz and GPU advantage however is suffers from moving hardware targets and a high draw call overhead. The former makes it a pain to dev for (I've spent the last couple of weeks now working around hardware/driver bugs for our game) and the latter we have to soak up and just deal with due to the single thread Mhz advantage PCs still have.

Jump forward 3 years which is when most people seem to think the next consoles will hit/have it; consoles will have more and FASTER cores (and with the Mhz race over PCs wont be out pacing them), DX11+ GPUs as standard and the ability to construct draw lists over multiple threads thus making submission/draw faster meaning more draw calls and more stuff on screen and looking better.

Now, unless MS and the IHVs do something the PC is likely to still be restricted to single threaded draw calls (right now DX11's multi-threaded command list construction either slows things down on AMD hardware or effectively loses you a CPU core on NV hardware) and suddenly regardless of how fast your GPU is the consoles are blowing you out of the water draw call wise meaning the PC can't match a console in 'stuff on screen'.

We are already kinda at this point, the PC is only 'saved' by having the Mhz advantage but unless something changes that advantage will go away pretty quickly.

(Right now MS are blaming the IHVs and the IHVs are blaming MS and there is crazy talk about ditching DX and going 'to the metal' which I don't think anyone has really thought about as hard as they should have done. In short, it's a bit of a mess...)

TheScott2K · Mar 23, 2011, 08:24 PM

Wow, what an over-played, beaten-to-death, uninteresting topic with an OP completely devoid of insight or novel analysis.

genci88 · Mar 23, 2011, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrpleeb

This month has been a frustrating one for us pc gamers, with the release of Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 being dissapointments.But after buying Crysis 2 for pc yesterday it really frustrates me to see what developers are doing with the medium.This dumbing down of the product for mass market has got to stop, i want my games for pc like they used to be.To me it just reeks of a quick buck and lack of a real commitment to delivering a a + quality product that pc gamers really deserve.

p.s... arghh i miss the quick save feature {crysis 2}

You can't save in Crysis 2? I mean I knew the graphics are worse than Crysis 1 so that the XBox could handle them, but they're now catering to retards by removing the save anywhere feature?

But I guess that's to be expected, considering that it's an FPS made for gamepads...

hordaktheman · Mar 23, 2011, 08:42 PM

^ You mean like Far Cry? The (initial) lack of quick saves was the only thing that made it difficult so I don't know how quick saves would make a game more 'hardcore'.

Crysis also had gamepad support and Crysis 2 has the exact same controls.

Akumajo · Mar 23, 2011, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrpleeb

This month has been a frustrating one for us pc gamers, with the release of Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 being dissapointments.But after buying Crysis 2 for pc yesterday it really frustrates me to see what developers are doing with the medium.This dumbing down of the product for mass market has got to stop, i want my games for pc like they used to be.To me it just reeks of a quick buck and lack of a real commitment to delivering a a + quality product that pc gamers really deserve.

p.s... arghh i miss the quick save feature {crysis 2}

Kinda makes you wish Microsoft had waited/delayed the XBox 360 to 2008 so it could have had a Radeon 3870 or 4870/90 GPU instead so that the minimum requirements would have been, well much higher doesn't it?

PS word is Microsoft is waiting until 2015 for the next gen...

Argoon1981 · Mar 23, 2011, 11:32 PM

Yes consolity and simplicity is strong on the AAA PC game market now, but theres always the indie game developers to make me have hope on PC gaming.

wc326 · Mar 24, 2011, 01:03 AM

i bought my self a 480 gtx 3 months ago at 500 bucks US.

i feel kinda lame to do this upgrade, solding the 4890 for the 480 gtx , which cost me about 500 bucks.

amazing i have a 480gtx just for PHotoshop, Web browsing. And really 0 hours of gaming since i bought it.

so in my opinion, it is kinda a waste to do any upgrade to the pc nowaday, Your dont' need anything above a 8800gtx and a core2dual setup, since game itself is really not that interesting anymore.

abtomat74 · Mar 24, 2011, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argoon1981

Yes consolity and simplicity is strong on the AAA PC game market now, but theres always the indie game developers to make me have hope on PC gaming.

Right, you mean like Crytek?

Chuck · Mar 24, 2011, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wc326

i bought my self a 480 gtx 3 months ago at 500 bucks US.

i feel kinda lame to do this upgrade, solding the 4890 for the 480 gtx , which cost me about 500 bucks.

amazing i have a 480gtx just for PHotoshop, Web browsing. And really 0 hours of gaming since i bought it.

so in my opinion, it is kinda a waste to do any upgrade to the pc nowaday, Your dont' need anything above a 8800gtx and a core2dual setup, since game itself is really not that interesting anymore.

Very true, I would've never considered getting a new computer if my desktop wasn't beginning to get screwy on me. Radeon 4850 512MB runs every game I throw at it perfectly at 1080p.

Danny Nissan · Mar 24, 2011, 05:56 AM

DICE. BF3. PC gaming rebirth.

Nerdd · Mar 24, 2011, 06:17 AM

I r PC gamer. I iz smart?

Dumbing down is not equal to consolization. It's just dumbing down for the ADD generation. That's it. WoW has been dumbed down and it's a PC title.

wc326 · Mar 24, 2011, 06:33 AM

is this supposed to be the best looking game on PC todate?? IMO even COD, looks tons better
THis is from PC version

acidosmosis · Mar 24, 2011, 06:34 AM

Don't buy games that are console ports. Pirate them.

It's what they deserve.

friskyolive · Mar 24, 2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by acidosmosis

Don't buy games that are console ports. Pirate them.

It's what they deserve.

Thank goodness for pirates..........I've understood/endorsed this for awhile now. Spending thousands on uber componants to play games and/or in combination with photo suite and other applications, really puts us in this position where one feels cornered to commit crime..It goes hand in hand, no?

But, playing it safe, is where one needs to accept the corrupt world of humanity.............get your hotdogs HERE. only here

Argoon1981 · Mar 24, 2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by abtomat74

Right, you mean like Crytek?

No, i have a different concept about indie developers them you, to me even if Crytek is a independent developer imo it is not a indie developer the same with Valve, to me indie teams are ones with small teams and budgets, teams like Zero Point Software, Wolfire Games, Frictional Games, Unknown Worlds, etc.

It should exist a distinction, because is not fair for the small teams to have a giant AAA developer being called indie.

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Mrpleeb Radeon R700 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 987	Consolization of pc games This month has been a frustrating one for us pc gamers, with the release of Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2 being dissapointments.But after buying Crysis 2 for pc yesterday it really frustrates me to see what developers are doing with the medium.This dumbing down of the product for mass market has got to stop, i want my games for pc like they used to be.To me it just reeks of a quick buck and lack of a real commitment to delivering a a + quality product that pc gamers really deserve. p.s... arghh i miss the quick save feature {crysis 2} Last edited by Mrpleeb : Mar 23, 2011 at 03:22 PM.

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AllexxisF1 Owie. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Northern, Virginia Posts: 10,076	Skyrim and BF3 will start turning the tide once again. Those glorified toaster ovens have had their day.

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