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Old Jun 9, 2018, 03:04 PM   #1
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I use my ISP's DNS because my Internet is the fastest with it. However, I've noticed some websites don't load correctly in Chrome with this DNS. With my ISP's DNS and Edge, the websites load correctly. Is this a Chrome issue or a DNS issue? If I change my DNS to Google's Public DNS, Chrome starts loading everything correctly but my Internet is a bit slower.

Here is an example of how GameSpot loads with Chrome when on my ISP's DNS:

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DNS for sure. The main gamespot website is hosted in Florida, but it's css file is hosted on static.gamespot.com which in the Netherlands via Akamai. Your ISP's DNS either can't resolve or has marked this ip as spam or something.

IMO I would switch to cloudflare DNS of 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 anyway, as it's the future of DNS.
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Old Jun 10, 2018, 02:12 AM   #3
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DNS for sure. The main gamespot website is hosted in Florida, but it's css file is hosted on static.gamespot.com which in the Netherlands via Akamai. Your ISP's DNS either can't resolve or has marked this ip as spam or something.

IMO I would switch to cloudflare DNS of 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 anyway, as it's the future of DNS.
Would you recommend it over OpenDNS? What Pros does cloudflare have verse OpenDNS?
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Would you recommend it over OpenDNS? What Pros does cloudflare have verse OpenDNS?
At the moment, I would recommend Cloudflare DNS over every other DNS provider available.

1. Speed - Cloudflare has a vastly superior distributed recursive server network. On average, it is the fastest resolver in 75% of the world.
2. Security/Privacy - Cloudflare supports DNS over TLS and HTTPS, making your entire connection encrypted, not just the query text. Cloudflare also holds a special agreement with browsers like Firefox, which require Cloudflare to collect the bare minimum of data. Cloudflare also only keeps logs for 24hrs in memory, nothing to disk, and is audited by a 3rd party. OpenDNS is owned by Cisco, and keeps all data. With the amount of behind-the-scenes data scraper and aggregator companies, it's no longer wise to think that meaningless data is meaningless.
3. Ease of use - While Google DNS is quite easy to remember, there is nothing easier than 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1. I have no idea what opendns' addresses are.

Now opendns is not bad, the customizable filters are nice. Though injecting your own ads on unresolvables feels too middle man to me. Plus, simple tools like adblock origin can block at the browser level, or you can build your own piehole for local caching as well as whole network block listing, if not already supported by your router.
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I have no knowledge of how DNS works other than it translates the web site’s name into an actual numeric Internet address, but I don't understand how it can be a DNS issue if it works fine with Edge, but not Chrome. If it was a DNS issue, wouldn't it effect BOTH browsers and not just Chrome, since it would be sending the exact same web address translation to both browsers?
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At the moment, I would recommend Cloudflare DNS over every other DNS provider available.

1. Speed - Cloudflare has a vastly superior distributed recursive server network. On average, it is the fastest resolver in 75% of the world.
2. Security/Privacy - Cloudflare supports DNS over TLS and HTTPS, making your entire connection encrypted, not just the query text. Cloudflare also holds a special agreement with browsers like Firefox, which require Cloudflare to collect the bare minimum of data. Cloudflare also only keeps logs for 24hrs in memory, nothing to disk, and is audited by a 3rd party. OpenDNS is owned by Cisco, and keeps all data. With the amount of behind-the-scenes data scraper and aggregator companies, it's no longer wise to think that meaningless data is meaningless.
3. Ease of use - While Google DNS is quite easy to remember, there is nothing easier than 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1. I have no idea what opendns' addresses are.

Now opendns is not bad, the customizable filters are nice. Though injecting your own ads on unresolvables feels too middle man to me. Plus, simple tools like adblock origin can block at the browser level, or you can build your own piehole for local caching as well as whole network block listing, if not already supported by your router.
I'm currently using it with DNScrypt on my router. Is this the best way to use it on a router? I'm guessing if setup in WAN or LAN DNS the lookup will be unencrypted. Would it be redundant to setup to use over TLS or Https?
How do you set it up to use DNS over TLS and HTTPS? Is this something I need to set up for every client?
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I have no knowledge of how DNS works other than it translates the web site’s name into an actual numeric Internet address, but I don't understand how it can be a DNS issue if it works fine with Edge, but not Chrome. If it was a DNS issue, wouldn't it effect BOTH browsers and not just Chrome, since it would be sending the exact same web address translation to both browsers?
Whoops, didn't notice he used his ISP dns on chrome, just edge. In this case, there is most likely a problem with his dns cache in chrome.

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I'm currently using it with DNScrypt on my router. Is this the best way to use it on a router? I'm guessing if setup in WAN or LAN DNS the lookup will be unencrypted. Would it be redundant to setup to use over TLS or Https?
How do you set it up to use DNS over TLS and HTTPS? Is this something I need to set up for every client?
DNS encryption via the router will be the best way to go as requests from all devices on the network that use the router for DNS will be protected. I say will be, since DNS over TLS or HTTPS isn't currently supported in just about any router. DNScrypt and DNSSEC are quite capable, but TLS and HTTPS is the endgame, as it will hide that you are even making a DNS query.

Setting up DNS over TLS or HTTPS through the browser is a relatively new thing, but I think Firefox 62 now supports it via manual configuration. This will also not be redundant, as this will bypass your router being the DNS, but for the time being until your router supports it, this will have to be configured on every capable client.
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Meh I tried cloudfare and it was slower than my isp setting of no, or I assume dynamic, dns. Gaming was especially slow.
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Meh I tried cloudfare and it was slower than my isp setting of no, or I assume dynamic, dns. Gaming was especially slow.
Are you thinking of some kind of VPN? DNS does not affect gaming at all.
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I tried loading the same websites I have issues with on another laptop in the house using my ISP's DNS with Chrome. Still loads them incorrectly. Seems like Chrome has some issues with my ISP's DNS? Other browsers load these same websites fine on my ISP's DNS (Edge on Windows 10 and Safari on iOS).

Anyway, I'm using the Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 DNS and everything is now fine in Chrome. Internet hasn't slowed down too much so I might just stick with it.
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Odd. The only other thing I can think of is Chrome's DNS prediction prefetch, which guesses DNS queries and results from analyzing the current page. You can test this by going into menu->settings->advanced->privacy&security section-> and uncheck “Use a prediction service to load pages more quickly”.
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Tried an "ipconfig /flushdns" ?
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If page/files things aren't loading correctly, the browser console will tell you, and might provide a clue as to what is wrong. Press F12 and reload the page.

It could just as easily be an issue with an extension as a DNS issue.

Here's an example of uBlock blocking something...

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Odd. The only other thing I can think of is Chrome's DNS prediction prefetch, which guesses DNS queries and results from analyzing the current page. You can test this by going into menu->settings->advanced->privacy&security section-> and uncheck “Use a prediction service to load pages more quickly”.
Didn't help.

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If page/files things aren't loading correctly, the browser console will tell you, and might provide a clue as to what is wrong. Press F12 and reload the page.

It could just as easily be an issue with an extension as a DNS issue.

Here's an example of uBlock blocking something...

Will try it out and report back.
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Well, did ya fix it?

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Sorry, I got lazy there and just started using Edge for the two websites that load incorrectly in Chrome for me: www.gamespot.com and www.cnet.com

I did what you said and this is what came up for www.gamespot.com:





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Looks like it might be Chrome's internal DNS cache causing the problem?

HTTP Error 0 basically means a connection couldn't be established with the host. Either it couldn't resolve with DNS, or less likely, the host not responding to requests.

As an aside, you can click on each failed entry, which will take you to the network tab and get more information about the request.

Something else you can try:

1. Close all tabs expect 1 being about:blank or net tab page.
2. Clear cache (time: everything), no need to clear anything else.
3. Go to: chrome://net-internals/#dns
4. Clear Host cache.
5. Quit Chrome (Ctrl+Shift+Q)
6. Start up Chrome again
7. Hope it works?
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Apparently, MS had fixed a lot of bugs (fixed Chrome issue as you can see it in their changelog). Grab an update.

"Addresses an issue that causes the latest versions of Google Chrome (67.0.3396.79+) to stop working on some devices."

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...date-kb4284848

https://www.askwoody.com/2018/patch-...ease-for-1803/

also...interesting article.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/0...for-prime-time
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Looks like it might be Chrome's internal DNS cache causing the problem?

HTTP Error 0 basically means a connection couldn't be established with the host. Either it couldn't resolve with DNS, or less likely, the host not responding to requests.

As an aside, you can click on each failed entry, which will take you to the network tab and get more information about the request.

Something else you can try:

1. Close all tabs expect 1 being about:blank or net tab page.
2. Clear cache (time: everything), no need to clear anything else.
3. Go to: chrome://net-internals/#dns
4. Clear Host cache.
5. Quit Chrome (Ctrl+Shift+Q)
6. Start up Chrome again
7. Hope it works?
Didn't work.
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By the way, in Chrome's Incognito mode, GameSpot loads like this:



If I load it in "regular" mode, it loads like in the screenshot in my first/original post.
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did you try reinstalling chrome?
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I would take those domain names that are erroring out in the Browser Console and do a dig or nslookup on them to verify if they're resolving through your DNS server.
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