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Old May 2, 2015, 07:49 AM   #61
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Clearly the people playing trackmania with a pad should go and play this game instead.
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Old May 2, 2015, 08:45 AM   #62
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Sure bud.

As i said, go buy Trackmania.
Fun fact is that there is a whole bunch of 'true' simmers that would call you a scrub for playing what is, in their opinion another Codemasters toy game for 8 year old kids and tell you to stop wasting time and wheel and get real. I dont agree, Im happy that codies are back on the proper track but it's a common sentiment among rsrbr players. So, there you go, 'simmer'.

Then, the notion that playing a racing sim on keyboard is the same as playing Burnout (which is great btw but that's a different topic) is ridiculous. I still have to control my speed, brake more or less where you do, make strategic decisions about settings, tactical decisions about where to push. Im still afected by the damage model, lose grip and stability with speed, still have to look out for bumps and holes. I can do scandinavian flicks, handbrake turns powerslides etc. I use a different, less natural controller, so much Burnout.

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Old May 2, 2015, 02:07 PM   #63
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There's absolutely no way to be fast and play with a keyboard and no assists. You are absolutely lying. Coming out of an apex with a powerful car and having 0 control over the throttle ud spin out everytime. Having 0 control over braking and locking them up cause you to again be much slower. There's no argument for using a keyboard in 2015.
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i guess a lot of quick tapping on keys could possibly work, but not having analog control in a racing game in 2015 just sounds like stubborn self handicapping to me.
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Old May 2, 2015, 02:58 PM   #65
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I quick tap just like I did all your mums last night... Aww yeah.
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Old May 2, 2015, 05:26 PM   #66
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Fun fact is that there is a whole bunch of 'true' simmers that would call you a scrub for playing what is, in their opinion another Codemasters toy game for 8 year old kids and tell you to stop wasting time and wheel and get real. I dont agree, Im happy that codies are back on the proper track but it's a common sentiment among rsrbr players. So, there you go, 'simmer'.

Then, the notion that playing a racing sim on keyboard is the same as playing Burnout (which is great btw but that's a different topic) is ridiculous. I still have to control my speed, brake more or less where you do, make strategic decisions about settings, tactical decisions about where to push. Im still afected by the damage model, lose grip and stability with speed, still have to look out for bumps and holes. I can do scandinavian flicks, handbrake turns powerslides etc. I use a different, less natural controller, so much Burnout.

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There's absolutely no way to be fast and play with a keyboard and no assists. You are absolutely lying. Coming out of an apex with a powerful car and having 0 control over the throttle ud spin out everytime. Having 0 control over braking and locking them up cause you to again be much slower. There's no argument for using a keyboard in 2015.
Quit making **** up. Just because you suck at KB driving doesn't mean others can't be good at it.

Growing up in the days where there were no wheels for driving, you had keyboard. And you got good at keyboard driving if you actually wanted to play.

If you know HOW to drive with keyboard, then there is no problem. If you DON'T KNOW HOW to drive with keyboard, then shut up about it because you don't know what you are talking about.

As has been hinted before, you don't hold down keys to drive, you tap/hold. It's a feeling that develops over time, and becomes second nature, so you aren't even thinking about the inputs, you are concentrating on the race track.

I've driven games with keyboard, mouse (mouse driving is hard, if you want something to complain about), joystick (analog and 4-position "clicky" joysticks), track pad, and steering wheel/pedals setup. You can drive with any input device.

Do you set up a wheel when you play Mario Kart?
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Do you set up a wheel when you play Mario Kart?
No, because its just as stupid as playing Dirt Rally with a keyboard.
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Old May 2, 2015, 07:15 PM   #69
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There's absolutely no way to be fast and play with a keyboard and no assists. You are absolutely lying. Coming out of an apex with a powerful car and having 0 control over the throttle ud spin out everytime. Having 0 control over braking and locking them up cause you to again be much slower. There's no argument for using a keyboard in 2015.
Sure I am absolutely lying, this is so important to me. First things first I'm not hailing keyboard as an ultimate racing device, I'm just opposing the notion that playing with keyboard removes all aspects of simulation because that's just blatant bs. It's interesting though, I never did any comparision of my performance with pads vs kb, I'm sure I will get Dirt Rally at some point and will gladly provide my times then. Feel free to dismiss those as lies too though if I do post them, dont care really.

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i guess a lot of quick tapping on keys could possibly work, but not having analog control in a racing game in 2015 just sounds like stubborn self handicapping to me.
Yes there's a lot of quick tapping for sure heh but as mr. vertual pointed out, you don't think about it at all after all these years. It's not a chore or an obstacle or sth, I really like it, played some Gran Tourismos with pad and I prefer keyboard. Ofc actual wheel would be ideal, I was close to buying one few times but decided I want second floor in my house finished first so I can setup it once and for all. Still keybord is absolutely enouth for me atm.

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There you go bud. You're welcome.
Thanks bud you're a swell guy sending me links and all but I just don't understand why would you get so stubborn over such a sweeping and absurd claim instead of just backing off.
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Who cares if someone uses a keyboard, ouji board, or their Bugatti Veyron?

Just play the game like you want to and be happy about it.
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Quit making **** up. Just because you suck at KB driving doesn't mean others can't be good at it.

Growing up in the days where there were no wheels for driving, you had keyboard. And you got good at keyboard driving if you actually wanted to play.

If you know HOW to drive with keyboard, then there is no problem. If you DON'T KNOW HOW to drive with keyboard, then shut up about it because you don't know what you are talking about.

As has been hinted before, you don't hold down keys to drive, you tap/hold. It's a feeling that develops over time, and becomes second nature, so you aren't even thinking about the inputs, you are concentrating on the race track.

I've driven games with keyboard, mouse (mouse driving is hard, if you want something to complain about), joystick (analog and 4-position "clicky" joysticks), track pad, and steering wheel/pedals setup. You can drive with any input device.

Do you set up a wheel when you play Mario Kart?
Yes that might be it, people thinking keyboard is so bad maybe just never tried long enough to develop a method for accurate driving.

Btw I just checked, I do million taps a race heh it's pretty crazy if you put attention to it. Never really noticed how frantic it is. Im a piano player though Im used to be fast with fingers heh.
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lol you don't get it there is no linearity in tapping a keyboard button. There is absolutely no way to control throttle and braking without giving it the full input. Tapping the button still produces full braking and throttle input. You cannot ease out of a corner or not lock the brakes up it's just not possible.
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lol you don't get it there is no linearity in tapping a keyboard button. There is absolutely no way to control throttle and braking without giving it the full input. Tapping the button still produces full braking and throttle input. You cannot ease out of a corner or not lock the brakes up it's just not possible.
LOL you are the one who doesn't "Get" it. We are talking from actual experience of doing it. You can make up situations in your head all you want, but it isn't impossible.

You are wrong, and you can't do it, so why not just drop the discussion altogether and start talking about Dirt Rally again, huh?
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lol you don't get it there is no linearity in tapping a keyboard button. There is absolutely no way to control throttle and braking without giving it the full input. Tapping the button still produces full braking and throttle input. You cannot ease out of a corner or not lock the brakes up it's just not possible.
So you don't know sh_t after all. I invite you to filter section of rbr options where you can set braking being less sensitive to smaller inputs, for example. Other games do it too for better or worse just not every one lets you control it.

So no, tapping the button does not produce full braking and throttle input.

It's not perfect ofc. It's also nowhere near as bad as you think it is.
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Greetings traveller. Who am I? Perhaps you have met me twixt sleep and and wake - in the penumbra of uncertainity you call unconsiousness... you know, my books are essentialy about "what ifs". In "Black Fang" I asked - what if a rat could drive a bus? And what if it and its rat brethren took over and ate Parliment?

A lot of people say "Garth Merenghi? Doesn't he write that horror crap?" Well, you're an idiot, because my books always say something, even if it's simple like "Don't geneticaly engineer crabs to be as big as man". There's always a message or a theme.
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Mouse wins, no contest. With keyboard, each time you touch a left or right arrow you do a 180 turn so the only way to take anything short of a hairpin is to drive in circles trying to do a pedal to the metal tap at the right time that wil send you into uber powerslide, then floor it with a tap and prey no trees are present. Takes some skill man believe me and obviously you wont be able to keep the car on the road in dirt rally, it's not possible because unforgiving and just that you can do it in casual crap like RBR or other burnouts doesnt mean ****.

Anyway on topic, it might be a good year for rally. Milestone is doing Sebastian Loeb Rally and maybe being free of WRC license will do them good. Tracks are supposed to be gps based so maybe an improvement over the hairpin fest that were WRCs.

Kylotonn is doing WRC 5, might be crap but who knows, suprise is possible. It will not be rbr realism level for sure but something on Codemasters level could happen.

Then there's gRally, the only one that can dethrone RBR on simulation front but is kind of missing the point of it, giving not enough attention to graphics. RBR still looks great so if the new game is not some current gen tesselated mud million polygon gfx powerhouse, why even bother? Netcode maybe or sth I don't know.

And DIRT Rally ofc, from what Ive seen the tracks are incredible and gfx seems to be finaly free of that sheen that plagued previous dirts.
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Everyone has a special talent. Mine is being able to write, produce direct, act, paint... Other people are good plumbers, that's their gift.

There are rebels and there are innovators. I'm a rebel. I play a rebel brain expert who's in rebelliance against conventional logic, who's in rebelliance against the world order. It's about rebelliance. And if that's not being an innovator, I don't know what is.

In times of conflict, when you're up against an agressor, be he human, be he inhuman, whoe'er he be, often he is both.

Greetings traveller. Who am I? Perhaps you have met me twixt sleep and and wake - in the penumbra of uncertainity you call unconsiousness... you know, my books are essentialy about "what ifs". In "Black Fang" I asked - what if a rat could drive a bus? And what if it and its rat brethren took over and ate Parliment?

A lot of people say "Garth Merenghi? Doesn't he write that horror crap?" Well, you're an idiot, because my books always say something, even if it's simple like "Don't geneticaly engineer crabs to be as big as man". There's always a message or a theme.
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That was a great article imo:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...first-real-sim

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There's no mistaking this is anything other than a simulation - and I don't think you've been able to say that of a rally game since 2004's much-loved Richard Burns Rally. Even that's not good enough for Coleman, though. "I haven't aimed at Richard Burns Rally and say I want to make a game as revered as Richard Burns is," he says. "However, my personal feeling and a feeling of the number of rally drivers I've spoken to who've had experience of Richard Burns Rally out of the box - I'm not talking about the modded version - certainly it's too hard. It's a simulation that goes beyond what is real, and if rally cars fully drove like that, there wouldn't be many rally drivers left in the world because they'd be all wrapped around trees.
Haha I have to say I think this Coleman guy has a point, RBR as much as I love it went a bit too far with how unforgiving it is. Not all rally drivers say that though, Robert Kubica claims to play RBR on regular basis. He's named crashbica for a reason though so maybe it properly simulates his usual near death driving heh.

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We want to simulate that these cars drive down these roads quickly and competently, and they're set up to be a pleasure to drive and so that you can have a confidence in them. A lot of that comes from a surface, and that surface giving a feedback perhaps it doesn't in Richard Burns Rally. When you slide in our game the surface is building up, there's a density there so the deeper you cut into a surface, the more resistance it provides.
Funny sound awful lot like WRC 4 and what it tried to represent, that game got so much flak for being toyish it's not even funny. I knew it was actualy not that bad and they had great sense of speed at around 90kph, it's a lot really when you're driving a bumpy road through the forest.

Anyway sure they may have a better surface model in dirt rally but terrain modeling and feedback seems limited in comparision with RBR, at least from what I've seen, also I don't think they will have crazy sh_t like moving engine parts or sth simulated the way RBR does.
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Greetings traveller. Who am I? Perhaps you have met me twixt sleep and and wake - in the penumbra of uncertainity you call unconsiousness... you know, my books are essentialy about "what ifs". In "Black Fang" I asked - what if a rat could drive a bus? And what if it and its rat brethren took over and ate Parliment?

A lot of people say "Garth Merenghi? Doesn't he write that horror crap?" Well, you're an idiot, because my books always say something, even if it's simple like "Don't geneticaly engineer crabs to be as big as man". There's always a message or a theme.
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God damn this game is good. Doesn't feel very early access at all, very well polished. Codemasters is back
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Wow an entire page of how you "should" play then game in some eyes andi bet no one in those nposts actually bought it !

I too am a keyboard masher, I've got a joystick but loathed to get a wheel.

BTW, if you play fps games especially army orientated then unless you camp up and dress the part then you are also not doing it right ! Similar for surfing pr0n, one needs to be naked for the realistic approach!
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I've got it, been playing with an Xbox 360 pad, But I've now dug out my Thrustmaster G25 so will have to give that a try now :-)
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i guess a lot of quick tapping on keys could possibly work, but not having analog control in a racing game in 2015 just sounds like stubborn self handicapping to me.
you can play with keyboard pretty well if you're adept at it from lots of practice.

I often can not be bothered to plugin my DFGT if I just want a quick session and revert to the trusty old keyboard.

its perfectly manageable with assists but with a wheel you can easily shave 10's of seconds off your times.

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in quite a few racing games you need to hold the button down for more than a split second.


I guess they work it out from how many signals are received in a set time and use some form of filtering
hold your . down whilst typing, then tap it fast instead.

same time far less ......
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DiRT Rally - £17.02 with code:RALLY on Gamesplanet.de

For anyone who was holding off for cheaper than steam.

Awesome game and will be immense once they add rally cross and rallycross multiplayer

Don't buy expecting an easy dirt game though as this game will punish you hard for over driving the car
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i was messing with it to get the oclulus rift working, and i dont know what i did, but i broke the game.


and yeah, i didnt save it before messing with it

nevermind figured it out if i deleted it that the game made a new one that worked

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is this game playable with just a gamepad? not a hardcore racing gamer

on the other hand, I wonder if I can play any racing game with my HOTAS is there anyonen that seriously play racing game/sim with HOTAS?
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