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Old Oct 7, 2003, 07:12 PM   #1
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Since the Catalyst suite became a reality for Windows users, Linux users were left wondering whether these exciting features would also make it to everyone's favourite Open Source operating system. In the past few months there have been rumors that ATI will go ahead and revamp its Linux suite, some even said that a Linux Catalyst release was in the pipeline. To attempt to set the record straight and to find out the truth, me and Alpha prepared some questions for ATI concerning its Linux drivers, and today, one day before the Catalyst 3.8 release, we are happy to exclusively present some new information concerning ATI's intentions coming from no other than Terry Makedon himself. So here it is :
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- What is ATI's strategy concerning Linux and other *nix OSes?

ATI is committed to producing stable drivers that provide top notch support for our Workstation, Desktop and Mobile chipsets under Linux is our current aim, and as the drivers mature other platforms or architectures may appear. In regards to other UNIX OSes ATI actively assists 3rd parties in the development of driver support for all viable platforms.

- Are you happy with the current ATI drivers for Linux?

The drivers are maturing very rapidly, and we are happy with where their current status relative to their age.

- Why aren't there specific drivers for the Radeon cards and only for FireGL cards?

ATI produces a unified driver for products in the Workstation, Desktop, and Mobile market segments. The driver name shows more of the history of the driver, the FireGL developers who originally developed the drivers named it that way. Support for Radeon cards was added to the driver later the name stuck. The current driver supports most current Desktop Radeons from the 8500, most Mobile Chipsets from the Mobility M9 and all Workstation (FireGL) products from the FireGL 8700.

- You announced recently in the Rage3D forums that you would start picking beta testers for Linux drivers. How is the process going?

We have selected some beta testers, and they received the drivers prior to our release of the 3.2.5 drivers. These beta testers were invaluable in highlighting some rough edges for later releases. Similar to the Windows CATALYST drivers, we intend to have an active Beta program prior to each release.

- Are we going to see the CATALYST suite "ported" to Linux/*nix OSes, with the same functionality and stability/performance?

As the market dictates we will be adding CATALYST features to Linux. There are a number of components from the CATALYST suite that we are eyeing for inclusion, a lot of the initial porting will be under the hood (and invisible to the user).

- Is there a timetable that you can share with us about ATI's plans to revamp the Linux drivers (if such possibility exists)?

The Linux drivers are always undergoing improvement, some major and visible (like TV-Out support in the recent release, other changes are major and invisible.

- Is there going to be a specific interval (like the 12 releases per year for the CATALYST suite) that ATI is going to release Linux drivers?

I can’t comment on this right now, but wait for CATALYST 3.8.

- Does ATI foresee a growth in the amount of games for Linux as a result of their new Linux driver commitment?

I don’t believe driver availability will drive the development of games for Linux. ISV’s are in business to make a buck and with Linux this has proven to be very difficult.

- Can we expect to see Linux drivers coming on cd with new cards in the future? For support out of the box.

As the drivers mature, we are hoping to have them qualified and included on the CDs.

- Will you being working with companies such as Redhat/SuSe/Mandrake/etc to include these prepackaged drivers?

We are working with various vendors to ensure that our drivers can be packaged if possible with the particular distribution vendor. Our downloadable driver packages will evolve to ensure easy installation for end users irrespective of which distribution they choose.

- Anything specific you can tell us about future release’s? Will the 3.8’s be just as big for Linux as it will be for Windows?

Technologically, the release as part of the CATALYST 3.8 will be incremental on the recent 3.2.5. Covering some of the major issues that our customers and users found with those drivers.

The movement of the Linux drivers into the CATALYST fold does mean something very important to users - similar to the phenomenal success of the Windows CATALYST drivers, the Linux drivers will pick up on the important attributes of the CATALYST program.

The attributes that we are focusing on currently are
  • stability,
  • support,
  • performance
  • (most important to end users) regular updates timed to coincide with the Windows CATALYST releases.

- What will the move of the FireGL driver development mean for the future Linux drivers and what was the reason behind it?

The move will allow us to be more responsive to the end user issues as well as ultimately build more fully featured drivers.
A big "Thank you" to ATI and Terry Makedon for answering those questions for us!

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Old Oct 7, 2003, 07:54 PM   #2
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Way to go ati!!!!

I cannot wait until tomorrow to pick the new set of catalyst to windows and linux....
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Old Oct 7, 2003, 08:23 PM   #3
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Yea well the current release are just the FireGL drivers and they arn't that great at that. I must have totally missed the beta sign up for Linux...

I just hope it doesn't crash my RedHat 9 like it did when I installed them last time... after rebooting it worked. Or at least I think it is.
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Old Oct 7, 2003, 10:57 PM   #5
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Yea well the current release are just the FireGL drivers and they arn't that great at that. I must have totally missed the beta sign up for Linux...

I just hope it doesn't crash my RedHat 9 like it did when I installed them last time... after rebooting it worked. Or at least I think it is.
You can probably still sign up. Just use the link in catalyst maker's sig for the beta program and be sure to put "LINUX drivers" in the subject heading.
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Nice read guys... Thanks goes to Alpha nad Komb for getting this out to yeahs. Oh yeah... i guess a thanks to ATi as well!
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This is very exciting news!

Now, I won't get my hopes up TOO much because I am sure that the linux drivers are a work in progress and will be for quite some time. IIRC, it took NVIDIA a fair amount of time to bring their linux drivers up to par after they announced official development.

Hats off to ATI for recognizing the need for linux drivers (and I'm not necessarily talking about games -- simple 2D acceleration is quite nice).

It has been simply amazing to see how ATI has turned its entire driver development team around within just two years.

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Old Oct 8, 2003, 12:42 AM   #8
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Well good to have "some" answers....

Just a few questions though....beta testing "older" drivers seems a bit odd. Were these unreleased older drivers? If not, simply glancing through the linux forum should give you ideas of every problem encountered.

In terms of the hype about Tv-Out, the majority of the linux community doesn't benefit from that feature as of yet, considering it's only on the ati radeon 9700 cards.

In terms of beta testing users, is there any sort of "range" in terms of the cards being tested? I.e. are "mobility" gpus being tested? Mobility gpus seem to lock up much more often than the desktop ones in Linux (when using the ati drivers. They seem VERY stable when using the DRI drivers though, just buggy).

Finally, it's VERY encouraging to see all the news about linux drivers and tomorrow (later today for the eastcoasters) we hope to see some sort of big step

But on another note, any news of the MultiMedia Center download for Linux?

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Hm, the new drivers are only 0.0.2 version numbers higher and they show just as much. Nothing except I can't run Quake 3.

link to the thread: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33715838
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Reaaly ? Talks Linux and What whit Radeons VE, 7000, 7200 and 7500 cards they're still unsupported under linux even by this new catalysts. Screw this ati never gonna get to costumers by this marketing stratrgy. Ati has doing great piece of hardware but support and drivers will be death of ATI. So ati please change.

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Way to go ATI. Keep up the good work and, for the sake of R100 users add support for older Radeon cards.
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Hate being the bearer of bad news, but the question about the older (r100) radeons and linux driver support was answered way back in the day by Alex (from the linux driver development team), who had said that they were not going to be working on drivers for that series. He went on to say that the "only" support you'll find is from the DRI or GATOS projects. (dri.sourceforge.net for example).

So based upon what Catalyst Maker said (about taking the current Linux drivers and improving upon them in order to better linux support) there's no chance of you getting linux driver support.

Sorry for the bad news.

In all honesty though, Nvidia by far has better drivers for Linux than ati, so if you're in need of a decent graphics card for Linux, check out the Ti 4000 series geforce cards, or if you want a CHEAP card, get the MX series of geforce cards. Very much, and the performance and stability FAR beats that found in the ati drivers. Not only that, they actually install and uninstall easier and with fewer issues.

I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but based upon the general user input on the Linux forums, it's been the most popular and so far highest success-rate resolution.

For example, for 3d games in linux, I use my friend's geforce2go laptop. For windows I use my radeon mobility 9000 laptop.

Sad, ironic, but true -g-.
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Sorry for the bad news.
Sorry ... ?? oh everybody knows that big companys like ATI are lazy ass. But we the users must teach this company to be more flexible and user friendly. IMHO the ATI does not do any good with this catalyst for Linux and don't do. Developers has not learned anything from last lessons. maybe ati is drowning down like titanic. What it takes to do an 7xxx series drivers, much of effort of ati linux developers... really I don't think so. Ati has only lazy ass nothing more.

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In all honesty though, Nvidia by far has better drivers for Linux than ati, so if you're in need of a decent graphics card for Linux, check out the Ti 4000 series geforce cards, or if you want a CHEAP card, get the MX series of geforce cards. Very much, and the performance and stability FAR beats that found in the ati drivers. Not only that, they actually install and uninstall easier and with fewer issues.
I have get an Ati card from one reason and I don't want to buy other company card. I had an nVidia card and ok it have maybe a closed source drivers good and all but I wanted ati. Why from three reasons.
My first card has been an ATI, Ati make really good piece of hardware
(all electronic stuff, resistors, markings and other electronic stuff on the grapic board The nVidia is monopolystic company and I hate monopoly, and it's hardware (cheap pieces, cheap part, in cheap boards) sux. So I everytime trusted Ati and I have an blind hope to trust them now too maybe they have heart for they're trusted users.
If not this company gonna fall really badly I think. Maybe I buy kyro but never nVidia. Oh and Ati supports a GNU so this is one good thing from the developing marketing.

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Hate being the bearer of bad news, but the question about the older (r100) radeons and linux driver support was answered way back in the day by Alex (from the linux driver development team), who had said that they were not going to be working on drivers for that series. He went on to say that the "only" support you'll find is from the DRI or GATOS projects. (dri.sourceforge.net for example).

So based upon what Catalyst Maker said (about taking the current Linux drivers and improving upon them in order to better linux support) there's no chance of you getting linux driver support.

Sorry for the bad news.

In all honesty though, Nvidia by far has better drivers for Linux than ati, so if you're in need of a decent graphics card for Linux, check out the Ti 4000 series geforce cards, or if you want a CHEAP card, get the MX series of geforce cards. Very much, and the performance and stability FAR beats that found in the ati drivers. Not only that, they actually install and uninstall easier and with fewer issues.

I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but based upon the general user input on the Linux forums, it's been the most popular and so far highest success-rate resolution.

For example, for 3d games in linux, I use my friend's geforce2go laptop. For windows I use my radeon mobility 9000 laptop.

Sad, ironic, but true -g-.
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Guess what... Linux driver development is not done in Germany anymore. So whatever Alex said should be taken with a grain of salt. Not because he doesn't know his stuff, but because things have changed.

If you had read the interview before you posted you would have seen that, since it invalidates your argument completely.
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So after all this I have some hope for ati, I give it an chance. But I get an nVidia card like other if Ati gonna fail again. This is my final word. As I'm an Linux user this OS is important for me and I want to have all benefits of my hardware. Only one thing in my computer is less supported then fully an it is my Radeon 7200.

So maybe some guy from Ati reading this, maybe not but do something for the users one time. Support first radeon cards which bring you glory to the market in the past. This is still good hardware for Soho users, graphics, server usage, and some games. So hear our voice and don't play with us like that. We pay for those cards and we want tu use it fully.

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Actually having read the interview I got the idea that they were simply "enhancing" the drivers left by the FireGL team.
And consdiering the FireGL team made no effort on cards prior to the Radeon 8500/FireGl 8800 (since the FireGl cards used a completely different Gpu than the radeons prior to that), it would mean that would be reworking the driver development quite a bit.

Considering the drivers are identical to the FireGL drivers for linux, that would mean specific dedicated efforts toward the pre 8500 radeons (Which wouldn't even begin to benefit the FireGL cards at all due to different gpus (Ibm based weren't they? could be wrong but i think they were from ibm, would hafta go back and look up the Diamond reference charts).


In regards to the validity of what Alex said way back in the day when driver development for linux was centered in Germany, everything he said then is currently accurate.

Back then (before driver dev. moved to Canada) he stated that there would not be "new linux catalyst drivers", and he stressed that they were just going to be "rebranded firegl drivers".

Based upon the interview questions you'd asked Catalyst maker, that's exactly what they appear to be doing, simply working on the FireGL linux drivers and modifying them to benefit radeon users more.
Modifications mean bugfixes/enhancements.
He never implied that they would "introduce support for older chips".
Frankly if that's what they really do plan on doing (won't believe it til i actually see it though, been waiting for decent linux drivers sinch October 2002, and still find DRI drivers to be the most compatible with software etc) is rewriting the drivers, I'd be all the happier.
The "drivers worth waiting for" (3.2.8) haven't really improved upon anything, aside from hindering performace etc.

which reminds me of one final thing that alex said way back in the day of when the 3.2.5 drivers appeared, which was that "the 2.9.12 drivers are the best for performance".

He was right about that, as those are the best performing drivers I've seen for ati linux cards yet (they even beat out the Dri drivers!!)

But ah well, here's to hoping for the progression of ati linux drivers.
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Of course what Alex said is currently accurate... the move was made recently, so I think all of us should have patience. Btw I can't believe even after the interview people still say "these are just FireGL drivers"... As for below R200 card support, look at the front page
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Of course what Alex said is currently accurate... the move was made recently, so I think all of us should have patience. Btw I can't believe even after the interview people still say "these are just FireGL drivers"... As for below R200 card support, look at the front page
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First off, they are the FireGL drivers!! Don't believe me? Go download Linux Drivers for the Ati FireGL 8800 or newer. *Gasp*. Identical to the Radeon ones.

This would one to assume that driver development progress will have to mainly focus on the FireGl cards, and any "extra time" they can find will be dedicated to adding features specific to the Radeons.

Upping the number of releases might seen like a good idea, and it may very well be, but considering how few the changes are (at least from 3.2.5 to 3.2.8, both which have a FEW compatibility fixes, and AA support, but aside from that they perform slower than the 2.9.12 drivers from way back when), it's probably going to be a very slow process until the drivers are Radeon-Feature-Rich.
Lets keep in mind, Tv-Out support is restricted to 2 cards, and as such is (For most people) a "useless" feature. Now don't get me wrong, it's a step in the right direction, but it benefits the minority of ati linux users.

To Kombatant: What is odd with people calling these "updated FireGL linux drivers with more installation problems than before, and a few added features, some of which don't work for most cards" ?
That is what they are isn't it?

Also, thus far read all the posts Alex had made previously on the Linux forums. I'd be willing to bet that EVERYTHING he said that hasn't yet happened will happen. He was definately on the ball then, and it's too hard for a company to change directions too fast, thus it would be only logical that what he said a few months back will hold true for the next few months.
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Oh, and on another note, the DRI drivers are Awesome!! They've got issues with flickering textures in some games etc. but if you report to them they're actually decent at making an effort to find out why etc. (although don't expect a fix, at least you might find out a workaround etc -g-)

So for older Ati card owners, Like I Previously Stated *coughcough*, don't expect Ati Linux Drivers, so just go grab the DRI ones.

Or if you REALLY need high performance in Linux, as the majority of the Linux users have stated to those that want the best quality, compatibility, and performance in linux, get an Nvidia card!
(they might not be the best choice for Windows, but for Linux, they Rock (compared to what's available at least hehe)).
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Oh in regards to having patience, have done that since Oct. 2002
However I've got an "integrated" ati chip (ati radeon mobility 9000) so I'm stuck with it, and any ati linux driver improvement I'll go for without a hitch, but my linux desktop I'm building is going Nvidia Quadro series (saw one cheap on ebay).
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Of course what Alex said is currently accurate... the move was made recently, so I think all of us should have patience. Btw I can't believe even after the interview people still say "these are just FireGL drivers"... As for below R200 card support, look at the front page
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First off, they are the FireGL drivers!! Don't believe me? Go download Linux Drivers for the Ati FireGL 8800 or newer. *Gasp*. Identical to the Radeon ones.

This would one to assume that driver development progress will have to mainly focus on the FireGl cards, and any "extra time" they can find will be dedicated to adding features specific to the Radeons.

Upping the number of releases might seen like a good idea, and it may very well be, but considering how few the changes are (at least from 3.2.5 to 3.2.8, both which have a FEW compatibility fixes, and AA support, but aside from that they perform slower than the 2.9.12 drivers from way back when), it's probably going to be a very slow process until the drivers are Radeon-Feature-Rich.
Lets keep in mind, Tv-Out support is restricted to 2 cards, and as such is (For most people) a "useless" feature. Now don't get me wrong, it's a step in the right direction, but it benefits the minority of ati linux users.

To Kombatant: What is odd with people calling these "updated FireGL linux drivers with more installation problems than before, and a few added features, some of which don't work for most cards" ?
That is what they are isn't it?

Also, thus far read all the posts Alex had made previously on the Linux forums. I'd be willing to bet that EVERYTHING he said that hasn't yet happened will happen. He was definately on the ball then, and it's too hard for a company to change directions too fast, thus it would be only logical that what he said a few months back will hold true for the next few months.
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Oh, and on another note, the DRI drivers are Awesome!! They've got issues with flickering textures in some games etc. but if you report to them they're actually decent at making an effort to find out why etc. (although don't expect a fix, at least you might find out a workaround etc -g-)

So for older Ati card owners, Like I Previously Stated *coughcough*, don't expect Ati Linux Drivers, so just go grab the DRI ones.

Or if you REALLY need high performance in Linux, as the majority of the Linux users have stated to those that want the best quality, compatibility, and performance in linux, get an Nvidia card!
(they might not be the best choice for Windows, but for Linux, they Rock (compared to what's available at least hehe)).
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Oh in regards to having patience, have done that since Oct. 2002
However I've got an "integrated" ati chip (ati radeon mobility 9000) so I'm stuck with it, and any ati linux driver improvement I'll go for without a hitch, but my linux desktop I'm building is going Nvidia Quadro series (saw one cheap on ebay).
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Yes.. and you continue saying the same wrong thing. Just because they first worked with FireGL cards doesn't mean that right now Radeons are an afterthought... that's like saying that since the Windows Catalysts worked for the 8500 first, the R300/R350 series is an afterthought! That's what I emphasized. The "FireGL drivers" name stuck for historic reasons, not because they are mainly FireGL drivers. And it was the reason I asked the specific question. And upping the releases (if I remember correctly 6 per year) is a good thing; it is one of the things that show that ATI decided to improve the drivers. You say that you've been having patience since Oct.2k2; but ATI just declared that it will up its efforts in (largely) improving its Linux drivers.

In any case, you can buy a Quadro or whatever you think it will suite your needs best. That's not the point of this thread. The point is that ATI has decided to improve its Linux drivers. And considering from past experience how it turned around its Windows drivers, I am hopeful that it will do the same with their Linux counterparts. I guess we will see in the following months.
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However I've got an "integrated" ati chip (ati radeon mobility 9000) so I'm stuck with it, and any ati linux driver improvement I'll go for without a hitch, but my linux desktop I'm building is going Nvidia Quadro series (saw one cheap on ebay).
Hmm ... I get self an Geforce Fx 5200 as I don't need card that is perfect under windows but I need the card which is perfect under my Linux distro. I know that Dri is great drivers and stuff but I want full support without few lacking featurs or few in software mode.
I think this is best I can do Fx 5200 has programming Vertex shaders and 2.0+ and good list of 3d features.
Even the Radeon 9200 I think don't help in my situation.
So I think this is the end Ati.

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Old Oct 19, 2003, 11:44 AM   #23
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Hmm ... I get self an Geforce Fx 5200 as I don't need card that is perfect under windows but I need the card which is perfect under my Linux distro. I know that Dri is great drivers and stuff but I want full support without few lacking featurs or few in software mode.
I think this is best I can do Fx 5200 has programming Vertex shaders and 2.0+ and good list of 3d features.
Even the Radeon 9200 I think don't help in my situation.
So I think this is the end Ati.

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Whoa there. If you're looking for advanced hardware pixil shaders, then you picked the wrong operating system. That is a feature of "DirectX" that will utilize the hardware.

DirectX, being a microsoft runtime and development itself, will not appear in Linux. You can try using an Emulator like WineX which will try to translate on the fly to allow linux to run it, but hardware pixil shaders etc, won't be utilized.

Ati drivers won't do this. Neither will Nvidia.
For linux, you want (in terms of games) the best OpenGL support you can get, and driverwise, Nvidia provides that over Ati.

But don't expect Nvidia linux drivers to allow you to utilize directX specific features. Just doesn't work that way.

Thus, IGNORE all DirectX specific features, they don't count in Linux, regardless of the manufacturer of the card and the drivers. (at least that anyone has come up with to this day).
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Whoa there. If you're looking for advanced hardware pixil shaders, then you picked the wrong operating system. That is a feature of "DirectX" that will utilize the hardware.
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Yeah you have right pariculary. Geforce fx is using latest stable OpenGL 1.4 maybe in newer relases 2.0. The nVidia has much better Linux support than Ati in the newest drivers API features. So even if I use it particuraly the support an chance to program this shaders maybe in future OpenGL 2.0 takes the lead.
All in all the pixel shaders is not nessesery good to have it.
I don't know really about Radeon 9200. Now in my mind is Radeon 9200 vs. Geforce 5200.
Hmm I cant compare this two cards performance with my old 7200, but those cards is still fighting in my head Ati makes good hardware , nVidia has good linux support and has some power hmm. But I think it's GeForce FX is best I can do for my Linux box.

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Hmm..., Hmm, Hmm, and What you think about Radeon 9200, card, linux support, 3d features, even the vertex shaders ? Is this card support Trueform oh and the performance compared to Radeon 7200 which I own now.. I'm very curious about it but my knowledge about this card is middle.

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AMD Duron 1,1 Ghz (Morgan)
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Ati Radeon 7200 64Mb DDR Vivo
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Ok in regards to openGL implementation, Nvidia seems to be much better on the linux front, and even on the windows front. Ati holds the crown for DirectX on the windows front, no question in my mind there.

Next, the Radeon 9200.
Identical to the Radeon 9000, just AGP 8x (8x support in linux is VERY iffy to say the least, would probably end up at 4x if your board has an agp 4x/8x slot), and clocked slightly faster than the 9000.
Has more directX support than the 7200, and is clocked quite a bit faster than the 7200 on both the memory and gpu fronts.
In regards to linux support for the 7200, doesn't exist via ati drivers as CM stated, use DRI drivers).

In regards to linux support for the 9000/9200, it does exist via DRI OR Ati Binary Drivers. Support is decent if you play ET or UT2K3, but otherwise the 2D driver is Horrible with the Ati binaries, and there are a fair share of compatibilityi ssues with other games, like Quake 3 based ones etc.

In regards to the Fx 5200 card, seems to have nice support via Nvidia binaries. Very thorough FAQ/README file with the driver they provide. Technically, performance should be on par with the 9200, but due to better linux drivers, it'll be the better performer in that environment. In a windows enviroment with directX apps (up to directx 8.1) the 9200 will have the edge. Otherwise the Fx5200 (based upon reviews and benchmark postings) tends to be the better bet, especially for linux.
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Thanx to you rinthos, for sharing some knowledge about those two cards.

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