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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:02 PM   #1
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Talking now thats cool...

have a look at the poll on the right side of the [H] frontpage:

what vidcard would you buy today?
ATI: 90%+
nvidia: 8.1%
other: the rest...
hopefully we have some ATI folks enjoying that...
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:13 PM   #2
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I saw that too...pretty much says it all huh??
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:15 PM   #3
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:22 PM   #4
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Cool

and thats more than 2500 votes so far... SLAP!
...wait, what was that sound?!?
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:24 PM   #5
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Default Re: now thats cool...

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Originally posted by wizzackr
have a look at the poll on the right side of the [H] frontpage:

what vidcard would you buy today?
ATI: 90%+
nvidia: 8.1%
other: the rest...
hopefully we have some ATI folks enjoying that...
if i know well [H] will edit the pool in the same way they edited the NV30 vs R300 pool....
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:29 PM   #6
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if i know well [H] will edit the pool in the same way they edited the NV30 vs R300 pool....
Oh, yeah. I remember that. They just kinda pulled it from the site and declared it a tie.
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:30 PM   #7
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if i know well [H] will edit the pool in the same way they edited the NV30 vs R300 pool....
Yes, that poll is simply a big conspiracy to make ATI look bad.
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:30 PM   #8
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Oh, yeah. I remember that. They just kinda pulled it from the site and declared it a tie.
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:32 PM   #9
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So, have you voted yet?
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So, have you voted yet?
THIS LINK will give you a much better graph scaling.
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:37 PM   #11
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Yes, that poll is simply a big conspiracy to make ATI look bad.
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this Kyle Bennett guy is really a nvidia fanboy
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:38 PM   #12
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:47 PM   #13
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have a look at the poll on the right side of the [H] frontpage:

what vidcard would you buy today?
ATI: 90%+
nvidia: 8.1%
other: the rest...
hopefully we have some ATI folks enjoying that...
But this is an ATI enthusiast forum and site? THere aren't any Nvidia forums here so what kind of results would you expect.

Take it with a grain of salt those results mean nothing, but ....

I did just ditch my MX440 for a 9600Pro this weekend
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 12:47 PM   #14
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Yes, that poll is simply a big conspiracy to make ATI look bad.
So have you and Anand talked about new cheat standards yet? Are you ready to reconsider the importance of synthetic benchmarks? (Hey, 3dm2k3 was RIGHT! Those who took it's findings about FX seriously without just saying it wasn't indicative of "REAL WORLD GAMING" weren't surprised when the FX was found to be sucking at DX9 "REAL WORLD GAMING" Kyle. )

What do YOU plan to do to re-establish your credibility Kyle?
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he's to proud for that DW
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he's to proud for that DW
I know, when I criticised him for it in a thread at [H] he posted up that he's been recomending ATi for a year now!
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And taking a look from waaaaaaaaay back when, I dont think Ati had ever lost a poll to that degree from what I can remember. What a joke. [H] is being discredited for blindly following nvidias trail of destruction.
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Doh, Stupid nvidia fanboys!
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A good thing that even the general public knows that Nvidia cards are not doing too great.
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BTW, was that poll made after the Valve speech? Or after?
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Quote:
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I know, when I criticised him for it in a thread at [H] he posted up that he's been recomending ATi for a year now!
Just remember that making up your own reality, STILL does not make it the facts, just because YOU beleive it.

To your point above, here is exactly what you said:

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Claiming you've been supporting the 9800 Pro for the last year is a little hard to swallow Kyle.
And here again is my answer which your conveniently ignored:

From our last 4 Video Card Reviews:

Albatron FX5900PV Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTExLDEx
"Judging by the performance accumulated in this review and by the prices at which these cards can be found we find that the 9800 Pro really becomes the smarter buy."


Tyan Tachyon G9600 Pro
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAyLDEy
"The Tyan Tachyon G9600 Pro really does pack a punch that deserves your attention when you are talking about mainstream video cards that will not break your bank. It has all the features of the high end-end cards: DX9, high quality AA and AF along with a nice aesthetically pleasing design that is cool and functional. Combine that with the robust hardware monitoring and fan manipulation feature as well as the Dual DVI option and you really can have it all with the G9600 Pro."


M10 - Rise of the Silicon
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk0LDU=
Given the fact that the Radeon Mobility 9600 series is currently the fastest and most revolutionary new mobile chipset coming to market, it seems fitting that we bestow ATI’s latest mobile VPU with the HardOCP "Must Have Hardware" Award.


BFG Technologies 5900 Ultra Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2LDEy
"The BFGTech Asylum GeForceFX 5900 Ultra is very capable at accelerating today's games with AA and AF enabled and can provide very playable framerates at high resolutions. From what we have seen it looks as though it will be a very capable DOOM3 card as well. But only time will tell as we know all the benchmarks in the world are not capable of pointing out game specific play until we have the game in hand."


Then, another forum member of ours "fugu", who also likes to use facts to back their arguments posted this:

"well, the 9800 pro hasn't been out for a year, but he's been supporting it since it's been avaliable

http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDM5LDEz
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Our synthetic pixel shader testing would seem to suggest that the ATI 9800 VPU is also aimed at catering to games that are not yet even on the market. This of course might ease anyone's mind that is looking for a video card solution that is 'future proof'. One thing is for sure, ATI's new 9800 series VPU will deliver the most frames per second while also providing image quality that is second to none.
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Both cards offer exceptional performance, but if I have to place my finger on which card I would choose for my primary system that I play my games on, I would have to opt for the 256MB 9800 Pro. It has better AA quality, and can play at 6XAA on a 256MB card very easily. It has also proven to be very strong in shader operations
http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDU2LDk=

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From the packaging, to the bundle, to the performance possibilities with this card, we can say this is one solid card for your money. If we were in the market for an elite gaming card today, the VisionTek Xtasy 9800 Pro would be one of two cards that would be on our short list of cards to purchase for a primary gaming machine. Sad but true, NVIDIA's 5800 series is nowhere to be found on that list.
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It is all here http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....&pagenumber=24

Would you care to now back up your statement, or simply act as if this was not posted as you did in our forums?
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Originally posted by frgmstr
Just remember that making up your own reality, STILL does not make it the facts, just because YOU beleive it.

To your point above, here is exactly what you said:



And here again is my answer which your conveniently ignored:

From our last 4 Video Card Reviews:

Albatron FX5900PV Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTExLDEx
"Judging by the performance accumulated in this review and by the prices at which these cards can be found we find that the 9800 Pro really becomes the smarter buy."


Tyan Tachyon G9600 Pro
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAyLDEy
"The Tyan Tachyon G9600 Pro really does pack a punch that deserves your attention when you are talking about mainstream video cards that will not break your bank. It has all the features of the high end-end cards: DX9, high quality AA and AF along with a nice aesthetically pleasing design that is cool and functional. Combine that with the robust hardware monitoring and fan manipulation feature as well as the Dual DVI option and you really can have it all with the G9600 Pro."


M10 - Rise of the Silicon
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk0LDU=
Given the fact that the Radeon Mobility 9600 series is currently the fastest and most revolutionary new mobile chipset coming to market, it seems fitting that we bestow ATI’s latest mobile VPU with the HardOCP "Must Have Hardware" Award.


BFG Technologies 5900 Ultra Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2LDEy
"The BFGTech Asylum GeForceFX 5900 Ultra is very capable at accelerating today's games with AA and AF enabled and can provide very playable framerates at high resolutions. From what we have seen it looks as though it will be a very capable DOOM3 card as well. But only time will tell as we know all the benchmarks in the world are not capable of pointing out game specific play until we have the game in hand."


Then, another forum member of ours "fugu", who also likes to use facts to back their arguments posted this:

"well, the 9800 pro hasn't been out for a year, but he's been supporting it since it's been avaliable

http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDM5LDEz


http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDQ4



http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDcyLDE0



http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDU2LDk=

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It is all here http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....&pagenumber=24

Would you care to now back up your statement, or simply act as if this was not posted as you did in our forums?
No, since we're here and I consider this a bit more of a fair forum than yours I'll be more than happy to point out just a few little inconsistancies with your claim...

I'm curious how you view your coverage of 3dm2k3 now, is it STILL a useless tool or is the fact that it predicted nVidia's shortcomings kind of a bit of a biatch for you to deal with now?

I'm also curious about your little "almost-trilinear is just as good" informercial you did for nVidia and if you regret it in hindsite or think that an IHV should be allowed to control such things still and if fansites should just blindly back up their claim. (It's a pun, get it? "Blindly" on an image quality comparison! )

I'd also like to know why you totally skipped out on mentioning nVidia's driver cheating on your frontpage and always seemed to make it sound like ATi was the one in the wrong?

I'll go hunt up some more stuff to ask you, I didn't think you'd have the balls to come back and take responsibility for the total BS you've been spewing for the last few months...I'll get right back to you with some more.
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Here where you predict that codepaths will become more divergent for benching, which is true but you fail to point out that nVidia was in the wrong for being the ones who were not conforming to spec and that any DX9 games NOT specifically coded for them would such,"If you are in the market for a high end gaming card, the BFGTech Asylum GeForceFX 5900 Ultra should definitely be on your short list." kind of speaks for itself, in regards to a 5600 Sean wrote "the card is relatively future-proof as it features a next-generation graphics card with full DX9 support"(By the way, sorry to hear he left [H] over differences with you...he was one of your good ones ), "Without question, the GeForce FX 5200 is the undisputed budget performance champion.", and one of me fave's is still "To put it simply, current synthetic benchmarks overall, do a disservice to the hardware community and everyone that will ever buy a 3D video card or a computer that has one installed. Outside of the possibility of being misleading by focusing on performance factors that are not representative of actual game play, there is another dark “secret” that is actually being paid for with your money, and at the same time forces hardware manufacturers to deliver less to you.".

Oh, and the whole UT2k3 quasi-trilinear issue really should get your geek license revoked...be glad all it did was make you a laughing stock everywhere but in your own little insulated world of [H].

I eagerly wait your reply.
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 08:20 PM   #25
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"Oh Kyyyyyyle, I'm waaaaaaiting...."
ROFL god that looks so funny.
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I don't think he is on anymore.
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I eagerly wait your reply.
I am waiting for yours as well.

You have failed to address my very specific post in answer to yours still yet. Why should I move on and address yours? One of the reasons that I had stopped posting here, besides the obvious flaming, was that you and others like you change the subject when you are PROVEN wrong...just like now.
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Old Sep 16, 2003, 08:31 PM   #28
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LMAO...I never knew Kyle posted here at Rage3D...maybe someone give him a taste of his own medicine and ban him...LOL

But dang...it looks like ATi will make much more moeny in the future...feeels oh so good to be a stock holder.
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Here where you predict that codepaths will become more divergent for benching, which is true but you fail to point out that nVidia was in the wrong for being the ones who were not conforming to spec and that any DX9 games NOT specifically coded for them would such,"If you are in the market for a high end gaming card, the BFGTech Asylum GeForceFX 5900 Ultra should definitely be on your short list." kind of speaks for itself, in regards to a 5600 Sean wrote "the card is relatively future-proof as it features a next-generation graphics card with full DX9 support"(By the way, sorry to hear he left [H] over differences with you...he was one of your good ones ), "Without question, the GeForce FX 5200 is the undisputed budget performance champion.", and one of me fave's is still "To put it simply, current synthetic benchmarks overall, do a disservice to the hardware community and everyone that will ever buy a 3D video card or a computer that has one installed. Outside of the possibility of being misleading by focusing on performance factors that are not representative of actual game play, there is another dark “secret” that is actually being paid for with your money, and at the same time forces hardware manufacturers to deliver less to you.".

Oh, and the whole UT2k3 quasi-trilinear issue really should get your geek license revoked...be glad all it did was make you a laughing stock everywhere but in your own little insulated world of [H].

I eagerly wait your reply.
good god DW get a ****ing life.. damn..
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