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Radeon HD 4600
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Given the potentially confusing array of ATI cards in the market, I've compiled some data to share with fellow ATI users(color coded to reflect more or less the same groupings). I've paid more attention to the data that will affect performance the most, such as the memory bandwidth and peak pixel fillrate: Pipelines | Texture Units per Pipe | Core Clock(MHz) | Memory Bus (bit) | Memory Clock (MHz) | Memory Bandwidth (GB/s) | Peak Pixel Fillrate (Gpixel/s) | Remarks ATI Radeon X800XT Plat Edit 256MB DDR3 R420 0.13-micron low-k DX9 * 6 vertex/12 pixel shaders 2.0b * Pipelines: 16 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 520 | Memory Bus: 256 | Memory: 560 | Bandwidth: 35.84 | Peak Pixel: 8.32 | DDR 3 ATI Radeon X800 Pro 256MB DDR3 R420 0.13-micron low-k DX9 * 6 vertex/12 pixel shaders 2.0b * Pipelines: 12 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 475 | Memory Bus: 256 | Memory: 450 | Bandwidth: 28.80 | Peak Pixel: 5.70 | DDR 3 ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB DDR R360 0.15-micron DX9 4 vertex * 4 vertex/8 pixel shaders 2.0 * Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 412 | Memory Bus: 256 | Memory: 365 | Bandwidth: 23.36 | Peak Pixel: 3.30 | DDR ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB DDRII R350 0.15-micron DX9 * 4 vertex/8 pixel shaders 2.0 * Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 380 | Memory bus: 256 | Memory: 350 | Bandwidth: 22.40 | Peak Pixel: 3.04 | DDR II ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB R350 0.15-micron DX9 * 4 vertex/8 pixel shaders 2.0 * Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 380 | Memory bus: 256 | Memory: 340 | Bandwidth: 21.76 | Peak Pixel: 3.04 | DDR ATI Radeon 9800 R350 0.15-micron DX9 * 4 vertex/8 pixel shaders 2.0 * Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 325 | Memory bus: 256 | Memory: 290 | Bandwidth: 18.56 | Peak Pixel: 2.60 | DDR ATI Radeon 9800SE R350 0.15-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 300 | Memory bus: 256 | Memory: 300 | Bandwidth: 19.20 | Peak Pixel: 1.20 | DDR ATI Radeon 9700 Pro R300 0.15-micron DX9 Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 325 | Memory bus: 256 | Memory: 310 | Bandwidth: 19.84 | Peak Pixel: 2.60 | DDR ATI Radeon 9700 R300 0.15-micron DX9 Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 275 | Memory bus: 256 | Memory: 270 | Bandwidth: 17.28 | Peak Pixel: 2.20 | DDR ATI Radeon 9600 XT RV360 0.13-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 500 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 300 | Bandwidth: 9.60 | Peak Pixel: 2.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 9600 Pro RV350 0.13-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 400 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 300 | Bandwidth: 9.60 | Peak Pixel: 1.60 | DDR ATI Radeon 9600 RV350 0.13-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 325 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 200 | Bandwidth: 6.40 | Peak Pixel: 1.30 | DDR ATI Radeon 9550 RV350 0.13-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 250 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 200 | Bandwidth: 6.40 | Peak Pixel: 1.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 9600SE RV350 0.13-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 325 | Memory bus: 64 | Memory: 200 | Bandwidth: 3.20 | Peak Pixel: 1.30 | DDR ATI Radeon 9500 Pro R300 0.15-micron DX9 Pipelines: 8 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 275 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 270 | Bandwidth: 8.64 | Peak Pixel: 2.20 | DDR ATI Radeon 9500 R300 0.15-micron DX9 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 275 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 270 | Bandwidth: 8.64 | Peak Pixel: 1.10 | DDR ATI Radeon 9200 Pro RV280 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 275 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 275 | Bandwidth: 8.80 | Peak Pixel: 1.10 | DDR ATI Radeon 9200 RV280 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 250 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 200 | Bandwidth: 6.40 | Peak Pixel: 1.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 9200SE RV280 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 200 | Memory bus: 64 | Memory: 166 | Bandwidth: 2.66 | Peak Pixel: 0.80 | DDR ATI Radeon 9000 Pro RV250 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 275 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 275 | Bandwidth: 8.80 | Peak Pixel: 1.10 | DDR ATI Radeon 9000 RV250 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 1/pipe | Core: 250 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 200 | Bandwidth: 6.40 | Peak Pixel: 1.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 9100 R200 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 2/pipe | Core: 250 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 250 | Bandwidth: 8.00 | Peak Pixel: 2.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 9100LE R200 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 2/pipe | Core: 250 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 200 | Bandwidth: 6.40 | Peak Pixel: 2.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 8500 R200 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 2/pipe | Core: 275 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 275 | Bandwidth: 8.80 | Peak Pixel: 2.20 | DDR ATI Radeon 8500LE/8500DV R200 0.15-micron DX8.1 Pipelines: 4 | TMU: 2/pipe | Core: 250 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 250 | Bandwidth: 8.00 | Peak Pixel: 2.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 7500 64Mb BBA RV200 0.15-micron DX7 Pipelines: 2 | TMU: 3/pipe | Core: 290 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 230 | Bandwidth: 7.36 | Peak Pixel: 1.74 | DDR ATI Radeon 64Mb DDR Retail SE R100 0.15-micron DX7 Pipelines: 2 | TMU: 3/pipe | Core: 198 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 198 | Bandwidth: 6.34 | Peak Pixel: 1.19 | DDR ATI Radeon 64Mb DDR Retail R100 0.15-micron DX7 Pipelines: 2 | TMU: 3/pipe | Core: 183 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 183 | Bandwidth: 5.86 | Peak Pixel: 1.10 | DDR ATI Radeon 64Mb DDR R100 0.18-micron DX7 Pipelines: 2 | TMU: 3/pipe | Core: 166 | Memory bus: 128 | Memory: 166 | Bandwidth: 5.31 | Peak Pixel: 1.00 | DDR ATI Radeon 7000 VE 32Mb DDR - 0.15-micron DX7 Pipelines: 1 | TMU: 3/pipe | Core: 183 | Memory bus: 64 | Memory: 183 | Bandwidth: 2.93 | Peak Pixel: 0.55 | DDR 3dfx V5 5500 AGP 64Mb SDRAM Core:166 | Bus: 128*2bit | Memory: 166MHz | Pipelines:2*2 | TMU/pipeline: 1 | Bandwidth: 5.31GB/s | Pixel Fillrate: 0.667 GB/s Note: OK, I just had to add the 3dfx V5 card here since it's always been one of my ole' fav The calculations are a bit different for this guy since it's non DDR with dual chips.Bandwidth = 2 (two chips) * 128 * 166 / 8 Peak pixel = (166 * 2 * 1) * 2 (two chips) Formulae: Memory bandwidth = 2 (DDR) * Memory Clock (MHz) * Bus Width (bit) / 8 (byte) Peak Pixel Fillrate = Core clock (MHz) * No of Rendering Pipelines * No of TMUs per pipeline TMU: Texture mapping unit Perhaps can make this a sticky for reference ![]() Edit: Update for X800 series. Thanks guys!
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Barton 2500+ @ 3200+ 1Gb Kingston DDR400 Sapphire Radeon X800Pro VIVO Modded X800XT PE 520/560 Audigy 2 ZS Klipsch Promedia 2.1 Last edited by VBlaster : Aug 16, 2004 at 07:33 AM. |
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Radeon HD 4600
Join Date: Apr 2003
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The 9100 should have 250 MHz memory, I believe sapphire is the only one with 200 MHz memory. Even though the card hasn't been released, I believe the 9800 non-pro was to have the same core/memory speed as the 9700 Pro. |
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brokestatus
Join Date: Apr 2002
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I could've sworn the 9200 Pro had a higher GPU clockspeed. ![]() What happend the the 7xxx series cards? ![]()
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Radeon HD 4600
Join Date: Jun 2001
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http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...?cid=3&aid=736 7xxxx? Man, I'm too tired...though I still have the Radeon 64Mb DDR SE with 184MHz default (instead of 166MHz) in my 2nd PC.
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brokestatus
Join Date: Apr 2002
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http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/Review/Rev...&contentpage=4 If you scroll down, they say it's clocked @ 325/275. Hmm.. Anyways, I think I can help you out on the 7xxx's: Radeon 7500 Core: 290 | Bus: 128bit | Memory: 230 Mhz | Pipelines: 2 | TMU/Pipelines: 3 | Bandwith: 7.40 GB/s | Pixel Fillrate: 1.74 GB/s | Radeon 7200/Radeon DDR Core: 183 | Bus: 128bit | Memory: 183 Mhz | Pipelines: 2 | TMU/Pipelines: 3 | Bandwith: 5.90 GB/s | Pixel Fillrate: 1.09 GB/s Radeon 7000/VE Core: 183 | Bus: 64bit | Memory 183 Mhz | Pipelines: 1 | TMU/Pipelines: 3 | Bandwith: 2.9 GB/s | Pixel Fillrate: 0.55 GB/s
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and we did nothing, absolutely nothing Last edited by rayzian : May 18, 2003 at 03:21 AM. |
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Sweden
Join Date: Dec 2001
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uhm, as far as I know: 64 MB DDR Retail: 183/183 MHz 64 MB DDR OEM: 166/166 MHz 64 MB DDR SE: 198/198 MHz and... isn't the memory bandwith of the 9500 non-pro a bit lowish? if I calculate your bandwith backwards, it would mean it has 200 MHz DDR memory.... and wow... the 7500 with 3 pipelines? not as far as I know.. the 7500 is still 2 pipelines, 3 TMU's per pipeline... the only thing that really changed was the memory controller, and the clock speeds....
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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http://www.tech-report.com/etc/comparo/graphics/
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Radeon HD 4830
Join Date: May 2003
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Write if they are 0.15 or 0.13.
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Upgrade cycle = done
Join Date: Feb 2003
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good work! keep it going
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Radeon HD 4600
Join Date: Jun 2001
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OK, this data has been made a sticky at one of my fav' forum. I'll be maintaining the ATI card data list from there since it'll be easier. Please refer to this thread for future updates. Cheers! http://www.superpet.com.sg/forums/sh...?threadid=7112 I'm also maintaining a sticky thread on the true MHz of AMD CPUs as well. It's here for reference: http://www.superpet.com.sg/forums/sh...?threadid=6732
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Keep walking...
Join Date: Feb 2003
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what about make this a stick? once a while you see ppl asking what clock speeds their cards should have... or how many pipes X card has and so on.
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Radeon HD 4550
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Chicago
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Radeon HD 4600
Join Date: Jun 2001
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You're probably right. Details still hazy on the 9800 NonPro. Will update accordingly. It's difficult to maintain this when it's a non-sticky. This data has been made a sticky at one of my fav' forum. I'll be maintaining the ATI card data list from there since it'll be easier. Please refer to this thread for future updates. Cheers! http://www.superpet.com.sg/forums/sh...?threadid=7112 I'm also maintaining a sticky thread on the true MHz of AMD CPUs as well. It's here for reference: http://www.superpet.com.sg/forums/sh...?threadid=6732
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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What about TX variants from Dell ? |
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Radeon HD 4850
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Malmö,Sweden
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Nordichardware has a good page over all cards I think its Uriel who has done it Its in swedish but I think you can understand it anyway http://www.nordichardware.se/UndaC/Bok1.htm
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Drunken Red Mage™
Join Date: Oct 2001
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i didn't know the voodoo 5 was ati's ![]()
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Fuzzy Bunnies go BOIIING!
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Just thought I'd add my tidbit of info about my Dell 9800 non-pro I have. It's clocked at 325/290. I've read in other posts that 9800 non-pros are supposed to be blocked identically to 9700 Pros. This could be like the 9700 Tx variants that Dell had. Interestingly enough, this card is not called 9800 Tx to my knowledge and nothing special about the name is mentioned on Dell's websites.
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Radeon HD 4830
Join Date: May 2003
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Very good work VBlaster ![]()
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Radeon HD 4870
Join Date: Feb 2002
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The 128 mb 9800 pro and non pro don't use DDRII memory. BTW this might help, a summary that Icecold made. http://www.area3d.net/story.php?id=627
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Filburt, et al: Make this a sticky please. Nice work, VB! ![]()
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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I just got a 9500 Pro. It has 4 memory modules "HYB25D128323C-3.3" on the front side and on the back side there are 4 more of the same. This is 256mb. Am I wrong or is this an unusual board. |
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Formerly MrEMan4K
Join Date: Jun 2002
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Corrections for Radeon 9800 (non pro): memory type - DDR SDRAM GPU - 325MHz Memory - 290MHz Memory Bandwidth - 18.56 GB/s Pixel Fillrate - 2.60 GB/s ![]()
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Radeon HD 4850
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Great job! I'm almost positive Liuke is right about the 9800 np speeds. I know the default memory clock is 290. I'll have to check mine tonight to make sure on the core. |
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Fuzzy Bunnies go BOIIING!
Join Date: May 2003
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mreman and wazman are right it's 325/290 for the 9800 NP. My original post was before retail 9800 NP's were available. At that time, I believed the rumor passed around these forums that the 9800 NP was clocked the same as a 9700 Pro which turned out to be false. I thought Dell was pulling a 9800 TX thing like they did w/ the 9700 TX. ![]()
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127Mb in DXDiag. The memory is on the board. What a waste. |
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chaotic evil
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Pixel fillrate is just core*pixel pipes. Should be 1.0 for 8500LE,9100, 9000pro and 9200pro 1.1 for 8500 333-366 for 7200-7500
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