Rage3D article - Make your Radeon9500/9700 3x faster

silencerelite · Feb 13, 2003, 09:40 PM

Rage3D article - Make your Radeon9500/9700 3x faster

Your results? Thoughts? or whatever.

WarheadMM · Feb 13, 2003, 09:47 PM

I did it once.....it kinda made my 3dmark score higher but it wasnt much...like 10 pts. Other than that MOHAA ran like a dream

venom4911 · Feb 13, 2003, 09:51 PM

so uhhhhhhhhhhh how do u do this?

download where?

silencerelite · Feb 13, 2003, 10:10 PM

check the source for links.

Janes Addiction · Feb 13, 2003, 10:11 PM

It cant make your 3d mark any higher cos it works on opengl not D3d.

Try it on Quake 3 or a Quake 3 engined game like RTCW, see how many more Fps you get.

SsP45 · Feb 13, 2003, 10:25 PM

Are the FireGL drivers are bug-free as the 9700's normal drivers?

SsP45 · Feb 13, 2003, 10:36 PM

I've found one problem already. These FireGL drivers don't support the resolution of 1280x960, while the 9700 drivers do.

SsP45 · Feb 13, 2003, 10:45 PM

Running in OpenGL mode, UT2003 just gives me this error.

Quote:

UT2003 Build UT2003_Build_[2003-01-23_16.56]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 1732 MHz with 511MB RAM
Video: Fire GL Z1 Athlon (3DNow!)

General protection fault!

History: FOpenGLIndexBufferATI::Reallocate <- FOpenGLIndexBufferATI::AddIndices <- FOpenGLRenderInterface::SetDynamicIndexBuffer <- ATerrainInfo::Render <- RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- RenderLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render <- UGameEngine:

raw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <- ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop

For some reason, it also says FireGL Z1 when I chose X1 in the properties as well as Windows showing both the primary and secondary as X1. Not to mention it says my CPU is 1732Mhz when it's a 2400+ running at 2Ghz (WINCPUID confirms 2Ghz as well).

Saiyajin Xero · Feb 13, 2003, 10:49 PM

mine is not only slower, but all the textures in q3 are messed up, like see-through its weird

ATI LoVeR 8500 · Feb 13, 2003, 10:49 PM

Whoa.... This looks crazy... I'm gonna try it! I hope this is good... I'll keep you guys posted.

Saiyajin Xero · Feb 13, 2003, 10:52 PM

boooogally flooogally

SsP45 · Feb 13, 2003, 10:55 PM

I've done further testing. These drivers render MoHAA completely unplayable. From my normal 70-90fps, I now get a constant around 25fps or so. These drivers are terrible, they must not be optimized at all for games, and only for CAD and rendering programs.

Saiyajin Xero · Feb 13, 2003, 10:56 PM

yeah i agree, i have all the same problems you do

T07N · Feb 13, 2003, 10:57 PM

I guess they made it those cards for a reason and it was not gaming!

SsP45 · Feb 13, 2003, 10:59 PM

It goes to show that the FireGL is for OpenGL CAD and rendering work only, not for games.

Saiyajin Xero · Feb 13, 2003, 10:59 PM

the detail is not only lower and fps slower, but being able to see through walls is like a cheat!!

Saiyajin Xero · Feb 13, 2003, 11:01 PM

this is kinda off topic, but does anyone else have the problem with no 16 bit aa on opengl games? mine was working (at least i THINK it was, i remember it working) but i reinstalled the old drivers cause i noticed some speed differences, and when i reinstalled the cat 3.1s i didnt have 16 bit aa in opengl, and its confusing me!! (it works in d3d just fine)

Saiyajin Xero · Feb 13, 2003, 11:31 PM

this is how i see it, play all games in 16 bit with aa on and its like overclocking cause it goes so much faster and doesnt look any different! except for the occassional disappearing textures that are seen from really far away like in rtcw

Sky Luminaire · Feb 13, 2003, 11:35 PM

I converted my 9700 non pro TX into both the Z1 and X1.

The Z1 is meant for the 9500, and clashed with my card a lot. while running UT2003 in opengl, i could barely see the screen due to the heavy glitches and what looked comparable to ram artifacts.

The X1 ran much better for about 10 minutes. With 1600x1200, max settings and 4x antialiasing and 4x anios. I was getting 50-60 frame a second in UT2003 opengl!! It relaly ran amazing. I tried to minimize it, and i got a restart

After that point, the it didn't run very well at all, and i had so many restarts I was lucky to get the drivers off at all

karlotta · Feb 13, 2003, 11:48 PM

only the OGlxxx driver is needed? not the the whole install.....

Rogodin · Feb 14, 2003, 12:25 AM

I tried it and played IL-2 in Open GL and got about 2 fps ;(

rogo

Swune · Feb 14, 2003, 12:33 AM

pffff

well i did it on my 9700 pro, not only did i lose 8fps in q3 but i don't get any see through anything, putting the 3.1 back right now

Kruno · Feb 14, 2003, 01:55 AM

What did you guys think would happen?

icpgr8milenko · Feb 14, 2003, 02:03 AM

I lost about 1500 marks in 3dmark03, as of course, they aren't optimized for D3D. Gettin' ready to try Doom3 and see what happens.

eX-one · Feb 14, 2003, 02:33 AM

I think the news blurb is kind of misleading... OpenGL games played for **** after I installed the FireGL drivers.

Maya on the other hand, was running like a champ.

Maybe a few are getting lucky and getting games to run alright, but I was always under the impression that the OpenGL extensions in the FireGL drivers were not meant, or optimized for gaming applications at all. The focus of the driversets are on opposite ends of the scale.

Then again maybe I'm wrong and I'm the only one that couldn't get an OGL game to work afterwards

Trip · Feb 14, 2003, 02:38 AM

HOLY **** MAX AND MAYA ARE SUPERCHARGED!
WOOHOO!!!

hiGround · Feb 14, 2003, 04:39 AM

once again a fantastic front page post from silencer elite how long untill this one get removed like his last frontpage posts

BrainPiercing · Feb 14, 2003, 04:56 AM

I asked the russian guy who invented this mod, and he said from the start that games would be slower.

This driver is only for CAD and other professional OpenGL software.

What makes me wonder, though, if they can accelarate CAD software so much, why can't they do it in games?

Although I'm thinking what's optimised most is the geometry performance, texture operations are slower. They must somehow use texturing units for geometry stuff.

eX-one · Feb 14, 2003, 05:01 AM

Okay I *just* read (or attempted to) the article posted. I skimmed it earlier, and I didn't see any part that mentioned any gaming benches.

The only bench they showed SpecViewPerf, a professional CAD/DCC benchmark.... how'd you figure games into it?

btw, this RivaTuner news is in the archives. Check Jan 30, 2002

ImNotInsane · Feb 14, 2003, 05:17 AM

Ditto on see through textures and slow down. Heh, so much for that.

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Feb 13, 2003, 09:47 PM	#2
WarheadMM Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 121	I did it once.....it kinda made my 3dmark score higher but it wasnt much...like 10 pts. Other than that MOHAA ran like a dream __________________ Intel 3.2ghz @ 3.3 Intel D875PBZ 1 GB PC 3200 ATi 9800pro 256 Win XP SP2

Feb 13, 2003, 09:51 PM	#3
venom4911 Radeon HD 4830 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 198	so uhhhhhhhhhhh how do u do this? download where? __________________ I absolutely believe in God... and I absolutely hate the f*cker. http://wwfvenom.webhop.net N

Feb 13, 2003, 10:10 PM	#4
silencerelite Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: City 17 Posts: 1,106	check the source for links. __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 4800+ @ 2.64Ghz\| Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro \| 2x1GB OCZ DDR400 Platinum \| ASUS A8N-E \| Sony DVD-/+RW Double/Dual Layer \| EVGA GeForce 8800 GTX \| 150GB Raptor X \| Samsung 24" SyncMaster 244T \| LIAN LI PC-60USB \| BFG 650W \| Windows XP /w SP2

Feb 13, 2003, 10:11 PM	#5
Janes Addiction Radeon HD 4870 X2 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: UK, Midlands Posts: 694	It cant make your 3d mark any higher cos it works on opengl not D3d. Try it on Quake 3 or a Quake 3 engined game like RTCW, see how many more Fps you get. __________________ 1: Athlon XP2100, 256 PC2100, Geforce TI4600, Soundblaster Audigy, Asus 266 Mobo, DVD Drive, CD Writer, 120Gig HD. 2: Barton 2500+,Coolermaster Aero 7, Radeon 8500, 256mb PC2100@PC2700, MSI6712 KT400, DVD Drive, CD writer, 40+10Gig HD Last edited by Janes Addiction : Feb 13, 2003 at 10:14 PM.

Feb 13, 2003, 10:25 PM	#6
SsP45 ATI Radeon X1900 XTX Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 2,333	Are the FireGL drivers are bug-free as the 9700's normal drivers? __________________ Intel C2D E8400 @ 3.6Ghz Asus P5E X38 4GB OCZ PC2-6400 Radeon 4850s in Crossfire

Feb 13, 2003, 10:36 PM	#7
SsP45 ATI Radeon X1900 XTX Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 2,333	I've found one problem already. These FireGL drivers don't support the resolution of 1280x960, while the 9700 drivers do. __________________ Intel C2D E8400 @ 3.6Ghz Asus P5E X38 4GB OCZ PC2-6400 Radeon 4850s in Crossfire

Feb 13, 2003, 10:49 PM	#9
Saiyajin Xero Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Harrison twp, Michigan Posts: 83	mine is not only slower, but all the textures in q3 are messed up, like see-through its weird __________________ Desktop: Abit NF7 / Athlon XP 2500+@2.5ghz 225 fsb / Alpha PAL 8045u / 768mb pc2700 / Radeon 9800PRO 430/360 / Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III / WD 160gb ata100 8mb / Lite-on 52x/32/52x CDRW / Lite-on 16X DVD / Random Aluminum Mid-Tower / 350w Enermax Laptop: ECS G736 15" SXGA / 2.8C 800fsb Pentium 4 / 512mb PC3200 GEIL / 128mb 9600 Pro Turbo / 8x/4x/24x CDRW/DVD Combo drive / 40gb 5400rpm / 7 lbs

Feb 13, 2003, 10:49 PM	#10
ATI LoVeR 8500 Isn't around enough! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,696	Whoa.... This looks crazy... I'm gonna try it! I hope this is good... I'll keep you guys posted. __________________ The lug nuts on my BMW need more torque than a Honda Produces. I'm Greek.

Feb 13, 2003, 10:52 PM	#11
Saiyajin Xero Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Harrison twp, Michigan Posts: 83	boooogally flooogally __________________ Desktop: Abit NF7 / Athlon XP 2500+@2.5ghz 225 fsb / Alpha PAL 8045u / 768mb pc2700 / Radeon 9800PRO 430/360 / Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III / WD 160gb ata100 8mb / Lite-on 52x/32/52x CDRW / Lite-on 16X DVD / Random Aluminum Mid-Tower / 350w Enermax Laptop: ECS G736 15" SXGA / 2.8C 800fsb Pentium 4 / 512mb PC3200 GEIL / 128mb 9600 Pro Turbo / 8x/4x/24x CDRW/DVD Combo drive / 40gb 5400rpm / 7 lbs

Feb 13, 2003, 10:55 PM	#12
SsP45 ATI Radeon X1900 XTX Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 2,333	I've done further testing. These drivers render MoHAA completely unplayable. From my normal 70-90fps, I now get a constant around 25fps or so. These drivers are terrible, they must not be optimized at all for games, and only for CAD and rendering programs. __________________ Intel C2D E8400 @ 3.6Ghz Asus P5E X38 4GB OCZ PC2-6400 Radeon 4850s in Crossfire

Feb 13, 2003, 10:56 PM	#13
Saiyajin Xero Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Harrison twp, Michigan Posts: 83	yeah i agree, i have all the same problems you do __________________ Desktop: Abit NF7 / Athlon XP 2500+@2.5ghz 225 fsb / Alpha PAL 8045u / 768mb pc2700 / Radeon 9800PRO 430/360 / Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III / WD 160gb ata100 8mb / Lite-on 52x/32/52x CDRW / Lite-on 16X DVD / Random Aluminum Mid-Tower / 350w Enermax Laptop: ECS G736 15" SXGA / 2.8C 800fsb Pentium 4 / 512mb PC3200 GEIL / 128mb 9600 Pro Turbo / 8x/4x/24x CDRW/DVD Combo drive / 40gb 5400rpm / 7 lbs

Feb 13, 2003, 10:57 PM	#14
T07N Long-time Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: America Posts: 5,093	I guess they made it those cards for a reason and it was not gaming! __________________ XP-M 2400+ @ 2.2Ghz \| Epox 8RDA3+ \| 9800 Pro \| 1.5GB DDR400

Feb 13, 2003, 10:59 PM	#15
SsP45 ATI Radeon X1900 XTX Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 2,333	It goes to show that the FireGL is for OpenGL CAD and rendering work only, not for games. __________________ Intel C2D E8400 @ 3.6Ghz Asus P5E X38 4GB OCZ PC2-6400 Radeon 4850s in Crossfire

Feb 13, 2003, 11:01 PM	#17
Saiyajin Xero Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Harrison twp, Michigan Posts: 83	this is kinda off topic, but does anyone else have the problem with no 16 bit aa on opengl games? mine was working (at least i THINK it was, i remember it working) but i reinstalled the old drivers cause i noticed some speed differences, and when i reinstalled the cat 3.1s i didnt have 16 bit aa in opengl, and its confusing me!! (it works in d3d just fine) __________________ Desktop: Abit NF7 / Athlon XP 2500+@2.5ghz 225 fsb / Alpha PAL 8045u / 768mb pc2700 / Radeon 9800PRO 430/360 / Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III / WD 160gb ata100 8mb / Lite-on 52x/32/52x CDRW / Lite-on 16X DVD / Random Aluminum Mid-Tower / 350w Enermax Laptop: ECS G736 15" SXGA / 2.8C 800fsb Pentium 4 / 512mb PC3200 GEIL / 128mb 9600 Pro Turbo / 8x/4x/24x CDRW/DVD Combo drive / 40gb 5400rpm / 7 lbs

Feb 13, 2003, 11:31 PM	#18
Saiyajin Xero Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Harrison twp, Michigan Posts: 83	this is how i see it, play all games in 16 bit with aa on and its like overclocking cause it goes so much faster and doesnt look any different! except for the occassional disappearing textures that are seen from really far away like in rtcw __________________ Desktop: Abit NF7 / Athlon XP 2500+@2.5ghz 225 fsb / Alpha PAL 8045u / 768mb pc2700 / Radeon 9800PRO 430/360 / Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III / WD 160gb ata100 8mb / Lite-on 52x/32/52x CDRW / Lite-on 16X DVD / Random Aluminum Mid-Tower / 350w Enermax Laptop: ECS G736 15" SXGA / 2.8C 800fsb Pentium 4 / 512mb PC3200 GEIL / 128mb 9600 Pro Turbo / 8x/4x/24x CDRW/DVD Combo drive / 40gb 5400rpm / 7 lbs

Feb 13, 2003, 11:35 PM	#19
Sky Luminaire Radeon HD 4350 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 19	9700 non pro I converted my 9700 non pro TX into both the Z1 and X1. The Z1 is meant for the 9500, and clashed with my card a lot. while running UT2003 in opengl, i could barely see the screen due to the heavy glitches and what looked comparable to ram artifacts. The X1 ran much better for about 10 minutes. With 1600x1200, max settings and 4x antialiasing and 4x anios. I was getting 50-60 frame a second in UT2003 opengl!! It relaly ran amazing. I tried to minimize it, and i got a restart After that point, the it didn't run very well at all, and i had so many restarts I was lucky to get the drivers off at all

Feb 13, 2003, 11:48 PM	#20
karlotta they are real Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: oregon Posts: 2,567	only the OGlxxx driver is needed? not the the whole install..... __________________ then an nvidiot FX owner woke up and realized how jagged and slow his DX9 world was.Then bought a 6600 "Pro-gamer" card... no change.

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Feb 14, 2003, 12:25 AM	#21
Rogodin Radeon HD 4870 X2 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 526	I tried it and played IL-2 in Open GL and got about 2 fps ;( rogo __________________ "Those who long for exaltation look upwards, but I look downwards, for I am the exalted." Thus Spake Zarathustra

Feb 14, 2003, 12:33 AM	#22
Swune Radeon HD 4870 X2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Some where inside my head Posts: 633	pffff well i did it on my 9700 pro, not only did i lose 8fps in q3 but i don't get any see through anything, putting the 3.1 back right now __________________ Asus P4C800-e Deluxe Intel P4 3.0c O/C 3.3 ATI 9800TX Audigy 2ZS x2 WD Raptors (raid0) Logitech's THX certified Z560 4.1 1gig OZC 4000 (running at 400mhz) Viewsonic 19' A90

Feb 14, 2003, 02:03 AM	#24
icpgr8milenko Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Dallas Posts: 62	I lost about 1500 marks in 3dmark03, as of course, they aren't optimized for D3D. Gettin' ready to try Doom3 and see what happens. __________________ Never argue with a retard. They bring you down to thier level and beat you with experience. Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Feb 14, 2003, 02:33 AM	#25
eX-one Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: passed out in the corner Posts: 483	I think the news blurb is kind of misleading... OpenGL games played for **** after I installed the FireGL drivers. Maya on the other hand, was running like a champ. Maybe a few are getting lucky and getting games to run alright, but I was always under the impression that the OpenGL extensions in the FireGL drivers were not meant, or optimized for gaming applications at all. The focus of the driversets are on opposite ends of the scale. Then again maybe I'm wrong and I'm the only one that couldn't get an OGL game to work afterwards

Feb 14, 2003, 02:38 AM	#26
Trip Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 441	HOLY **** MAX AND MAYA ARE SUPERCHARGED! WOOHOO!!! __________________ wat

Feb 14, 2003, 04:39 AM	#27
hiGround Radeon HD 4550 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 37	once again a fantastic front page post from silencer elite how long untill this one get removed like his last frontpage posts __________________ 1.4ghz athlon 512 DDR Radeon 8500 with Crystal Orb Cooling 80 gig barracuda some sound card some modem 19inch moniter

Feb 14, 2003, 04:56 AM	#28
BrainPiercing Tseng Labs ET500 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 1,730	I asked the russian guy who invented this mod, and he said from the start that games would be slower. This driver is only for CAD and other professional OpenGL software. What makes me wonder, though, if they can accelarate CAD software so much, why can't they do it in games? Although I'm thinking what's optimised most is the geometry performance, texture operations are slower. They must somehow use texturing units for geometry stuff. __________________ My OLD System, now Mediastation: Asus A7N8X Deluxe with Barton 2.5 @ 20011 2x512MB Corsair CL2 PC400 IBM Deskstar 307030 30GB HD, Ultra ATA 100, 7200 RPM + WD something 60GB HD, Ultra ATA100, 7200 RPM + WD Caviar 120GB SATA133 7200RPM + Samsung 200GB Sata150 7200 Powercolor Radeon 9800pro STILL running 4.3 cats, and Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer Onboard network cards; !!!Win98SE!!!* (yes 200GB HDD on Win98 works fine :)) NEW: HP nx9420, T2400, x1600 256M, 1440x900, 1GB, 100GB HDD, XPPro.

Feb 14, 2003, 05:01 AM	#29
eX-one Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: passed out in the corner Posts: 483	Okay I just read (or attempted to) the article posted. I skimmed it earlier, and I didn't see any part that mentioned any gaming benches. The only bench they showed SpecViewPerf, a professional CAD/DCC benchmark.... how'd you figure games into it? btw, this RivaTuner news is in the archives. Check Jan 30, 2002

Feb 14, 2003, 05:17 AM	#30
ImNotInsane Radeon HD 4870 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 501	Ditto on see through textures and slow down. Heh, so much for that.

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