ATI leaked Doom3?

_leech_ · Nov 2, 2002, 02:33 PM

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Well it looks like the Demo of Doom III isnt a fake so i decided to do a bit of investigating and found a french site that showed a irc chat with Xian saying that ATI leaked it.

Xian> ATI leaked it
Xian> oh we will. We are hoping our rep gets fired.
Xian> John sent them a flame mail yesterday basically saying "This has hurt our relationship"
Xian> haha, no
Xian> not really
Xian> they sent us a development laptop with a full build of Unreal Warfare on it
Xian> yep
Xian> Well, we deleted it
Xian> that's a whole can of worms we don't want to get into
Xian> yeah, well, ATI has clearly violated our NDA
Xian> we thought about that.
Xian> but, no
Xian> ATI is on our shitlist righ tnow
Xian> we are not dealing with them until further notice
Xian> no, it's not public chiQ
Xian> We know ATI leaked it. We watermark all releases
Xian> Squiggle: ATI has a relaxed policy about pre-release software. Remeber, they ave us a laptop that had Unreal Warfare loaded on it 3 months ago
Xian> They don't seem to care about strict enforcement of NDA's
Xian> on a positive note, people seem to *REALLY LIKE* the leaked ****

Sounds fishy to me...

shurleydude · Nov 2, 2002, 03:01 PM

why would ATi leak it? the doom 3 alpha doesn't even contain ANY ATi rendering paths.

X-Reaper · Nov 2, 2002, 03:06 PM

I smell BS! I don't believe it.

Evnas · Nov 2, 2002, 03:21 PM

i doubt it due to ID saying they are designing the engine around nVidia cuz of their supposed "uber drivers" heh

Sasquach · Nov 2, 2002, 04:20 PM

Nvidia leaked it.
They leaked it because they wanted to show that 'doom 3 runs like utter sh!t on the ATI cards so u have to wait for nv30 to see how doom3 is MEANT to be played!!'

shurleydude · Nov 2, 2002, 04:29 PM

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Nvidia leaked it.
They leaked it because they wanted to show that 'doom 3 runs like utter sh!t on the ATI cards so u have to wait for nv30 to see how doom3 is MEANT to be played!!'

I know you say that in jest, but it doesn't really seem to me like it's out of the realm of possibility. It also seems much more feasable than ATi leaking it...There's an NV30 rendering path there, and the NV30 wasn't even tapped or done in May....so...

Gun5 · Nov 2, 2002, 04:38 PM

BULLSHIT!

WPFP · Nov 2, 2002, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by shurleydude
...There's an NV30 rendering path there, and the NV30 wasn't even tapped or done in May....so...

I don't know when NV30 taped out but the demo is dated July 23rd 2002 (in the console, gamedate "Jul 23 2002" and the doom.exe last modified on July 23rd 2002). About a week after R300 was launched. Someone messed with it before leaking it. Hmmm.....

travbrad1001 · Nov 2, 2002, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Sasquach
Nvidia leaked it.
They leaked it because they wanted to show that 'doom 3 runs like utter sh!t on the ATI cards so u have to wait for nv30 to see how doom3 is MEANT to be played!!'

I forgot the NV30 will be 2 billion times as fast as the 9700 PRO

It's running pretty good on my computer while not overclocked at all, and keep in mind this is an alpha version of a game....

Also if ATI releases a .13 micron 9700 with DDR-II i don't see how the NV30 could top that

breez · Nov 2, 2002, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by shurleydude
why would ATi leak it? the doom 3 alpha doesn't even contain ANY ATi rendering paths.

I think it does. At least for R200.

onyxcorp · Nov 2, 2002, 05:33 PM

ATi did leak it, and that iD employee would not lie about it. And there's proof as well, and we'll be hearing more about it shortly.

Explicative · Nov 2, 2002, 05:37 PM

Well if it's true that seriously sucks. Carmack flaming ATI = another "Nvidia the way it's meant to be played" game methinks.

Odiumvex · Nov 2, 2002, 05:47 PM

what Id employee? It's a friggin chat log who said it was XIAN or what proves thats him? I would just wait and see if they truely say something.

Y-STU-K · Nov 2, 2002, 05:48 PM

anyone wonder if ID leaked ATi's version? if ID recieved a down payment from Nvidia says *cough* do ati some damage hurt there rep *cough*

Robotzombie · Nov 2, 2002, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Y-STU-K
anyone wonder if ID leaked ATi's version? if ID recieved a down payment from Nvidia says *cough* do ati some damage hurt there rep *cough*

You people are hilarious.

Anyway, does anyone know how they watermark stuff like this? Is there anyway this can be varified by us 'end users'

?

KodiaK · Nov 2, 2002, 07:14 PM

i was in the chan when he said that stuff

everyone can shut up about it now... and stop being lame fanboys everyone... christ you guys are sounding like the ****ing morons from the teamxbox fourms about the doom 3 leak as well

Humus · Nov 2, 2002, 07:23 PM

I'm curious why they didn't post the whole conversation, only what Xian wrote, not what he replied to.

Razmadaz · Nov 2, 2002, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Robotzombie
You people are hilarious.

Anyway, does anyone know how they watermark stuff like this? Is there anyway this can be varified by us 'end users' ?

they could just slap some hashkey (date, ATI build, version etc..) pattern, drop it into anyone of the files and simply view it, not hard at all, amybe even access it from the ingame console. Almost as simple as right clicking a file and viewing it's 'version' info. Only for this, they claim it was a copy specifically handed to ATI (i.e. certain vers number) ... don't know why he used the word watermark too fancy for what their talking about.

nunez1980 · Nov 2, 2002, 07:49 PM

guy, whats the size of doom 3, alpha, and can it run on windows, or it needs an alpha operating system, tnx

ErrorS · Nov 2, 2002, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by nunez1980
guy, whats the size of doom 3, alpha, and can it run on windows, or it needs an alpha operating system, tnx

wtf

neutronx · Nov 2, 2002, 08:04 PM

Listen guys, Ati seems to be a company full of crooks and hardened criminals. Only a war criminal would release an alpha beta of a game without the developers consent! Im sorry, im just gonna have jump to the nvidia camp and get myself a nice ti4200 128mb. Anyone wanna buy my 9700? $50..Ill be honored to pay for shipping

neutronx · Nov 2, 2002, 08:06 PM

Hey nunz, when you get that alpha OS, can you send me a copy or put it on kazaa? thanx a bunch

neutronx · Nov 2, 2002, 08:12 PM

oh and guys, you realize that Xian conversation is a hoax, right?

OK ok..$25 for my card..but not any lower.

ErrorS · Nov 2, 2002, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by neutronx
oh and guys, you realize that Xian conversation is a hoax, right?

OK ok..$25 for my card..but not any lower.

does it come with the box and software? if so ill take it (you pay shipping)

seriously though.. the site linked is dead for me .. cant get to it .. does anyone know where it came from?

Y-STU-K · Nov 2, 2002, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by Robotzombie
You people are hilarious.

Anyway, does anyone know how they watermark stuff like this? Is there anyway this can be varified by us 'end users' ?

It is possible to ms did it with betas of winxp they could tell via the key code embedded into the files so i believe

Y-STU-K · Nov 2, 2002, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by neutronx
Listen guys, Ati seems to be a company full of crooks and hardened criminals. Only a war criminal would release an alpha beta of a game without the developers consent! Im sorry, im just gonna have jump to the nvidia camp and get myself a nice ti4200 128mb. Anyone wanna buy my 9700? $50..Ill be honored to pay for shipping

your not the full complement are u tbh

--Icy-- · Nov 3, 2002, 01:47 AM

Ati could have leaked the alpha,

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, and how ID treats ATI afterwards, if it turns out to be true.

Its certainly not in ATI's best interest to leak this demo, however it could have been some dipshit employee who snuck out a copy

Or even some reporter or other 3rd party person, though that would also reflect poorly on ATI due to them not keeping something like this more secure.

Guess we'll see what ATI does. It certainly would be wise of ID to watermark thier alphas that they send out.

--Icy--

Robotzombie · Nov 3, 2002, 02:02 AM

If I whip up half a chat transcript of a dude from id saying it was Jesus who leaked it, will someone start a thread about it? Maybe id will believe it, and they'll issue a statement saying that Jesus is now 'on thier shitlist'.

JC vs. JC: BE THERE!!!

Y-STU-K · Nov 3, 2002, 04:11 AM

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Originally posted by Robotzombie
If I whip up half a chat transcript of a dude from id saying it was Jesus who leaked it, will someone start a thread about it? Maybe id will believe it, and they'll issue a statement saying that Jesus is now 'on thier shitlist'.

JC vs. JC: BE THERE!!!

i bet "ya mum ", followed by "The Pope" and then bill gates are 1,2 and 3 on the shitlist :P

DukeNukem · Nov 3, 2002, 04:23 AM

well we will have to wait and see but if it is true than ATI has a problem on the developer side.
J.C is one of the few developers implementing different renderpaths for different chips.
The majority of developers give a damn **** about ATI as you can see in a lot of games. Sometimes it is ATIs fault because of their crappy drivers but sometimes it is just the thing that developers use Nvidia cards, visit the Nvidia developer side and that's why often only consider these products and don't test a lot with ATI products.

I don't know if that is true - for ATI it better not be true.

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Nov 2, 2002, 04:20 PM	#5
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Nov 2, 2002, 05:33 PM	#11
onyxcorp Radeon R300 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Radeon 9700 Pro Posts: 188	ATi did leak it, and that iD employee would not lie about it. And there's proof as well, and we'll be hearing more about it shortly.

Nov 2, 2002, 05:37 PM	#12
Explicative Radeon R300 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 118	Well if it's true that seriously sucks. Carmack flaming ATI = another "Nvidia the way it's meant to be played" game methinks.

Nov 2, 2002, 05:47 PM	#13
Odiumvex Radeon R420 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 349	what Id employee? It's a friggin chat log who said it was XIAN or what proves thats him? I would just wait and see if they truely say something.

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Y-STU-K Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: United Kingdom (Derbyshire) Posts: 1,259	anyone wonder if ID leaked ATi's version? if ID recieved a down payment from Nvidia says cough do ati some damage hurt there rep cough __________________ Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Abit AT8 32X 2Gb GSkill PC3200 ATi Radeon X1900 XTX 2x 74Gb WD Raptors in Raid0 (Windows XP) 2x 80Gb Seagates in Raid1

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KodiaK Newbie Join Date: Aug 1999 Posts: 19	i was in the chan when he said that stuff everyone can shut up about it now... and stop being lame fanboys everyone... christ you guys are sounding like the ****ing morons from the teamxbox fourms about the doom 3 leak as well

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Humus Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 6,268	I'm curious why they didn't post the whole conversation, only what Xian wrote, not what he replied to.

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Nov 2, 2002, 08:04 PM	#21
neutronx Radeon R200 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 57	Listen guys, Ati seems to be a company full of crooks and hardened criminals. Only a war criminal would release an alpha beta of a game without the developers consent! Im sorry, im just gonna have jump to the nvidia camp and get myself a nice ti4200 128mb. Anyone wanna buy my 9700? $50..Ill be honored to pay for shipping

Nov 2, 2002, 08:06 PM	#22
neutronx Radeon R200 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 57	Hey nunz, when you get that alpha OS, can you send me a copy or put it on kazaa? thanx a bunch

Nov 2, 2002, 08:12 PM	#23
neutronx Radeon R200 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 57	oh and guys, you realize that Xian conversation is a hoax, right? OK ok..$25 for my card..but not any lower.

Nov 3, 2002, 01:47 AM	#27
--Icy-- Radeon R200 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 52	. Ati could have leaked the alpha, It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, and how ID treats ATI afterwards, if it turns out to be true. Its certainly not in ATI's best interest to leak this demo, however it could have been some dipshit employee who snuck out a copy Or even some reporter or other 3rd party person, though that would also reflect poorly on ATI due to them not keeping something like this more secure. Guess we'll see what ATI does. It certainly would be wise of ID to watermark thier alphas that they send out. --Icy--

Nov 3, 2002, 02:02 AM	#28
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Nov 3, 2002, 04:23 AM	#30
DukeNukem Radeon R520 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 551	well we will have to wait and see but if it is true than ATI has a problem on the developer side. J.C is one of the few developers implementing different renderpaths for different chips. The majority of developers give a damn **** about ATI as you can see in a lot of games. Sometimes it is ATIs fault because of their crappy drivers but sometimes it is just the thing that developers use Nvidia cards, visit the Nvidia developer side and that's why often only consider these products and don't test a lot with ATI products. I don't know if that is true - for ATI it better not be true. Last edited by DukeNukem : Nov 3, 2002 at 04:26 AM.

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