DX10 Titles that really show off the DX10 enhancements ?

Thr0tt · Nov 13, 2009, 02:14 AM

Hi,

Just really started using Win7 and I am looking for a game or 2 to show off DX10 (DX11 Dirt 2 came with card so will try that when its released) - Any suggestions as so far I can't tell the difference when I had my HD3850 apart from the new card is fast and I can have AA enabled on all games so far.

I own:

Crysis / Crysis Warhead
Fallout 3
Cod series (DX9 lol I know)
GRID
DIRT
FSX
ArmAII
Batman
...most new titles especially FPS's.

Any suggestions ? As I feel I have moved to Win 7 and nothing apart from OS GUI has changed.

Tisti · Nov 13, 2009, 04:22 AM

Dx10 can provide more FPS with the same complex scenes. And thats where it usually ends.

Drexion · Nov 13, 2009, 04:26 AM

Visually, 99.9% of what is possible in DX9 is possible in DX10. Microsoft rushed and forced DX10 out early just so they could have an extra marketing tool to sell Vista. DX's progression was way better back in the day before Microsoft decided to start using it as a marketing tool to sell a new OS, back when a new Windows OS did not necessarily mean a new DX was bundled with it.

Of course there are technical improvements in DX10, adjustments to the pipeline, a few limits were raised etc - but they don't always translate into visuals, but efficiency which takes place behind the scenes.

And lastly, it's no surprise that the "DX10" visual goodies in some games were discovered to be normal DX9 functions which were only locked out in the in-game menu's but worked perfectly fine when edited in an ini or hacked into the game. Probably for marketing reasons, or money hats, or just being a straight console port. Like it or not DX9 is going to still be the mainstream game development platform for the next couple years, primarily due to the consoles.

xCLAVEx · Nov 13, 2009, 04:26 AM

In Lost Planet, DX10 enhances the look of the fur on your coat outline. Other than that...

TheOwly1 · Nov 13, 2009, 06:56 AM

Directx 10 was mainly about making the popular flashy effects of this gen easier to implement. You aren't going to see much better graphics or a huge fps increase. Best you can hope for is shortened development times and thus more time for effort to be put in.

My understanding is that DX11 has far more of the "jumps" people were expecting, but I havn't gotten my mits on the SDK or any DX11 hardware yet.

Bioshock does however enable rather attractive water wakes, higher resolution depth shadows and soft particle edges when you turn on directx 10. Might be worth a look.

seastar · Nov 13, 2009, 07:34 AM

Here's a list of games that support dx10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support

{0}Salamander{0} · Nov 13, 2009, 07:43 AM

I believe nVidia were the ones who pressured Microsoft into downgrading the spec of DX10...?

acroig · Nov 13, 2009, 08:04 AM

Hawx ?

Stalker: Clear Sky (10.1)

FarCry 2

Woodstock · Nov 13, 2009, 08:37 AM

Might not be as convenient as it's an online game but DX10 makes Lord of the Rings Online look fantastic. You can download the free trial to check it out if you're just looking to take some comparison shots or whatever.

Thr0tt · Nov 13, 2009, 09:03 AM

Ok, thanks for the info and ideas. I have FC2 so will load that up too. I will check out the Rage thread about Conan to see if that worth putting on.

Mangler · Nov 13, 2009, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thr0tt

Ok, thanks for the info and ideas. I have FC2 so will load that up too. I will check out the Rage thread about Conan to see if that worth putting on.

Fc2 does not really look any different in dx10 though, it just runs faster with aa enabled.

acroig · Nov 13, 2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangler

Fc2 does not really look any different in dx10 though, it just runs faster with aa enabled.

Any time you can have great visuals that play faster when you enable AA that counts as a showpiece for me.

FrAg Of FuRy · Nov 13, 2009, 12:22 PM

Shattered Horizon is exclusively dx10

caveman-jim · Nov 13, 2009, 12:24 PM

Run the unigine tropics demo in 10 and 10.1, look at the differences (esp with AA cranked up, for FPS) and the unigine heaven demo.

night · Nov 13, 2009, 01:08 PM

so vista was always a mixed bag, anyone know a game review with XP dx9 vs win7 dx10?

acroig · Nov 13, 2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by night

so vista was always a mixed bag......

Even after SP1?

Sweetz · Nov 13, 2009, 02:08 PM

Sadly, of the few DX10 games I've played, I think Lost Planet still shows the greatest apparent difference between DX9 and DX10.

In every other game the enhancements are so subtle that they're barely noticable during actual gameplay.

Dwarden · Nov 13, 2009, 02:12 PM

ARMA 2 is DX9 title ... in Vista/7 it uses DX9ex but still DX9 only

acroig · Nov 13, 2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweetz

Sadly, of the few DX10 games I've played, I think Lost Planet still shows the greatest apparent difference between DX9 and DX10.

More so than Crysis High vs. Very High?

FrAg Of FuRy · Nov 13, 2009, 02:39 PM

I have to agree, Crysis shows way more of a difference between dx9 and dx10 than Lost Planet.

All LP had added was some extra fur on a coat and a few more foot steps added in the snow....sounds laughable and me being facetious but google it. I'm not lying!

xCLAVEx · Nov 13, 2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seastar

Here's a list of games that support dx10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support

Wtf? Dawn of War 2 doesn't use Dx 10...does it?

EDIT: As far as I can tell it doesn't, that list is shens.

zebra 204 · Nov 13, 2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xCLAVEx

Wtf? Dawn of War 2 doesn't use Dx 10...does it?

EDIT: As far as I can tell it doesn't, that list is shens.

It does. I think the "ultra" settings are the DX10 settings.

Sweetz · Nov 13, 2009, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acroig

More so than Crysis High vs. Very High?

I don't consider that since most of it can be enabled in DX9-mode (and run better!) via config files. About the only thing that can't is some tone-mapping and that's not all that obvious.

acroig · Nov 13, 2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweetz

I don't consider that since most of it can be enabled in DX9-mode (and run better!) via config files. About the only thing that can't is some tone-mapping and that's not all that obvious.

Fair enough.

Argoon1981 · Nov 13, 2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thr0tt

Hi,

Just really started using Win7 and I am looking for a game or 2 to show off DX10 (DX11 Dirt 2 came with card so will try that when its released) - Any suggestions as so far I can't tell the difference when I had my HD3850 apart from the new card is fast and I can have AA enabled on all games so far.

I own:

Crysis / Crysis Warhead
Fallout 3
Cod series (DX9 lol I know)
GRID
DIRT
FSX
ArmAII
Batman
...most new titles especially FPS's.

Any suggestions ? As I feel I have moved to Win 7 and nothing apart from OS GUI has changed.

If you want to see true dx10 effects them Stalker clear sky and Futuremark game Shattered Horizon are the best games for that. Farcry 2 runs better in dx10 even if the effects aren't different.

kn00tcn · Nov 13, 2009, 09:28 PM

my warhead dx10 has deeper colors over dx9, dunno if tweaks can fix dx9

but more importantly, another thing that can only be done in crysis dx10 is per object motion blur

ukHazard · Nov 13, 2009, 11:50 PM

Call of Juarez? It has a huge (2GB+, not sure) patch for DX10.

poohbear · Nov 14, 2009, 02:05 AM

well i think Crysis is the poster child for DX10, it looks absolutely gorcious.

World in Conflict is also another gorcious game in DX10 (the sunrays, water & cloud effects are insane!)

poohbear · Nov 14, 2009, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebra 204

It does. I think the "ultra" settings are the DX10 settings.

nope i've read on the relic forums that its DX9. Any official source u can cite that says its DX10?

kn00tcn · Nov 14, 2009, 02:13 AM

run fraps on DoW, if it's black behind the numbers, it's dx10

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Thr0tt Go on you might like it.. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UK Posts: 3,025	DX10 Titles that really show off the DX10 enhancements ? Hi, Just really started using Win7 and I am looking for a game or 2 to show off DX10 (DX11 Dirt 2 came with card so will try that when its released) - Any suggestions as so far I can't tell the difference when I had my HD3850 apart from the new card is fast and I can have AA enabled on all games so far. I own: Crysis / Crysis Warhead Fallout 3 Cod series (DX9 lol I know) GRID DIRT FSX ArmAII Batman ...most new titles especially FPS's. Any suggestions ? As I feel I have moved to Win 7 and nothing apart from OS GUI has changed. __________________ Specs: Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P \| AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE 3.2GHz \| XFX RADEON HD 5850 (Latest Cats) CCC \| Corsair XMS3 4GB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel \|Samsung 2232BW 22" LCD \| X-Fi Ultimate Gamer (5.1) \| LiteOn DH20A4P DVD-RW \| Saitek Cyborg Evo Joystick \| M$ Windows XP Pro SP3 / Win7 Ultimate

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Nov 13, 2009, 07:34 AM	#6
seastar Radeon HD 4600 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada,Edmonton Posts: 89	Here's a list of games that support dx10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support

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Sweetz Are Delicious Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,594	Sadly, of the few DX10 games I've played, I think Lost Planet still shows the greatest apparent difference between DX9 and DX10. In every other game the enhancements are so subtle that they're barely noticable during actual gameplay.

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FrAg Of FuRy Rage3D's Village Idiot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,315	I have to agree, Crysis shows way more of a difference between dx9 and dx10 than Lost Planet. All LP had added was some extra fur on a coat and a few more foot steps added in the snow....sounds laughable and me being facetious but google it. I'm not lying! __________________

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Nov 14, 2009, 02:05 AM	#28
poohbear Rage3D Veteran Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,049	well i think Crysis is the poster child for DX10, it looks absolutely gorcious. World in Conflict is also another gorcious game in DX10 (the sunrays, water & cloud effects are insane!) __________________ x3 720 @ 3600mhz w/ Big Typhoon, 2400mhz NB, 4GB Patriot @ CL4-4-4-12, Gigabyte MA770-UD3, 5770 Vapor-X, 2TB WD Black, X-FI gamer, Corsair HX520wt psu, Antec p160, Vista 64

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