HTC HD2 (Leo) vs iPhone 3GS vs Acer neoTouch: Winner HTC HD2

[WFTW]

The HTC HD2 (Leo) just keeps looking better and better, with every new video, benchmark, and comparison.

This latest one pits the HD2 against the iPhone and the Acer neoTouch (another Snapdragon based phone).

This video compares the browser speeds of the phones as well as the screen rotation speeds.

HD2 uses Opera Mobile 9.7
iPhone 3GS uses Safari Mobile
neoTouch uses IE 6 Mobile





The times are as follows:

| Device | | Start Time | | End Time | | Actual Load Time |
- Iphone 3Gs with mobile safari.........11sec.....................30sec......................19sec
- Touch HD2 with opera 9.7...............12sec.....................22sec......................10sec
- Acer NeoTouch F1 with IE6.............13sec.....................32sec......................19sec

The HD2 with Opera Mobile 9.7 is about twice as fast as the iPhone 3GS in rendering the test site.
It's also twice as fast as the neoTouch using the IE6 Mobile browser.



The second part of the video illustrates the screen rotation rendering speeds.

Clearly, the 2 Snapdragon based phones (HD2 and neoTouch) are conspicuously faster than the iPhone 3GS.


Oh, and just look at that screen size on the HD2...and marvel in its 800x480 WVGA resolution (2.5 times the resolution of the 3GS), and yet it still manages to render the test site twice as fast.

[Dandingo]

The HD2 is really a great phone, that being said, I wouldn't get one till WM7 is out or the Android version is released. I have an Omnia with WM 6.1 and while it is functional, I would reeally prefer an OS that didn't feel "old". Text Messaging is downright horrible sometimes and navigating the menu's without a stylus is ridiculous. I do have SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 installed which really helps out alot, but being a WM user for the past year I have come to realize that you have to rely on 3rd party developers and/or modders to make your phone functional to your liking.

Yes it is good that there is such a large community dedicated to developing programs, skins, etc...I just personally feel that I would rather have a phone that works the way it should and that the developer of the OS should release updates on a regular basis to meet the needs of the market and fix any bugs that arise....just like Apple does with the iPhone, Google does with Android and Blackberry does with their phones.

[Dandingo]

BTW, I will be picking up the Droid for VZW on Friday.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Dandingo

The HD2 is really a great phone, that being said, I wouldn't get one till WM7 is out or the Android version is released. I have an Omnia with WM 6.1 and while it is functional, I would reeally prefer an OS that didn't feel "old". Text Messaging is downright horrible sometimes and navigating the menu's without a stylus is ridiculous. I do have SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 installed which really helps out alot, but being a WM user for the past year I have come to realize that you have to rely on 3rd party developers and/or modders to make your phone functional to your liking.

Yes it is good that there is such a large community dedicated to developing programs, skins, etc...I just personally feel that I would rather have a phone that works the way it should and that the developer of the OS should release updates on a regular basis to meet the needs of the market and fix any bugs that arise....just like Apple does with the iPhone, Google does with Android and Blackberry does with their phones.

It comes with WM 6.5

And the Sense UI is exactly the same as what's on Android, and it covers up virtually EVERY single UI element of the OS, much like on Android (Which also needed a makeover).

So in essence, there's really no point whatsoever in waiting for the Android version of this phone if/when it comes out as it will look virtually the same as the WinMo version seeing as how Sense UI will be so dominantly conspicuous in every single aspect of the user interface on either device.

Oh, and it's WM 7 chassis compatible, so there's really no need to put off getting one, especially when it can already meet and exceed the capabilities of any Android phone in its current state even, and will be WM7 ready when its time to upgrade ROM's.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Dandingo

The HD2 is really a great phone, that being said, I wouldn't get one till WM7 is out or the Android version is released. I have an Omnia with WM 6.1 and while it is functional, I would reeally prefer an OS that didn't feel "old". Text Messaging is downright horrible sometimes and navigating the menu's without a stylus is ridiculous. I do have SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 installed which really helps out alot, but being a WM user for the past year I have come to realize that you have to rely on 3rd party developers and/or modders to make your phone functional to your liking.

Yes it is good that there is such a large community dedicated to developing programs, skins, etc...I just personally feel that I would rather have a phone that works the way it should and that the developer of the OS should release updates on a regular basis to meet the needs of the market and fix any bugs that arise....just like Apple does with the iPhone, Google does with Android and Blackberry does with their phones.

Oh, and it seems that you being an Omnia user have not experienced TF3D 2.x then, as on other newer HTC handsets.

Text Messaging is ELEGANTLY integrated into WM now with TF3D 2.x

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516115



This menu also provides you with all of your email correspondences with this contact, as well as their Facebook status, and of course messaging and call history.

[Dandingo]

Originally Posted by WFTW

It comes with WM 6.5

And the Sense UI is exactly the same as what's on Android, and it covers up virtually EVERY single UI element of the OS, much like on Android (Which also needed a makeover).

So in essence, there's really no point whatsoever in waiting for the Android version of this phone if/when it comes out as it will look virtually the same as the WinMo version seeing as how Sense UI will be so dominantly conspicuous in every single aspect of the user interface on either device.

Oh, and it's WM 7 chassis compatible, so there's really no need to put off getting one, especially when it can already meet and exceed the capabilities of any Android phone in its current state even, and will be WM7 ready when its time to upgrade ROM's.

Fully aware that it comes with WM 6.5...are you trying to imply that WM 6.5 is that much different than 6.1?

Also, last time I checked the HD2 is running a newer version of Touch Flo, similiar to the one found on the Imagio but much prettier IMO. I am fairly confident that HTC will stay with TouchFLO for their WM devices and Sense for their Android devices.

Last but not least, the HD2 will not be available in the States till sometime in 2010...and I am not leaving VZW just to get a unlocked phone at full price. The Droid looks to be a great phone running on an improving platform. May look into other phones once WM7 arrives but right now there really is nothing to go off of.

[Dandingo]

Originally Posted by WFTW

Oh, and it seems that you being an Omnia user have not experienced TF3D 2.x then, as on other newer HTC handsets.

Text Messaging is ELEGANTLY integrated into WM now with TF3D 2.x

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516115



This menu also provides you with all of your email correspondences with this contact, as well as their Facebook status, and of course messaging and call history.

I have messed around with many of the beta ROMS out there.....but as I said earlier, I want functionality and really do not see the need to be a beta tester on my phone.

[badboy]

Who buys a phone that uses windows mobile in this day and age?

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Dandingo

Fully aware that it comes with WM 6.5...are you trying to imply that WM 6.5 is that much different than 6.1?

Of course it's better.

It's much more finger-friendlier. Especially the 6.5.1 builds.

It also introduces kinetic scrolling throughout the OS.

The Tiny little buttons are now gone.

The text messaging, clock menus, settings menus, calendar menus, etc. have all been skinned out of the box, without any other skins/themes running on top.

It's not WM7, but it sure as hell beats 6.1 by a long shot in terms of finger-friendliness

Also, last time I checked the HD2 is running a newer version of Touch Flo, similiar to the one found on the Imagio but much prettier IMO.

No it's not.

It's running Sense UI, same as what HTC is introducing (has introduced) for the new/upcoming Android handsets in the future.



Think of Sense UI as TF3D on steroids. And by the way, GOOD GOD IS THAT THING GORGEOUS

I am fairly confident that HTC will stay with TouchFLO for their WM devices and Sense for their Android devices.

Then you are confidently wrong.

Last but not least, the HD2 will not be available in the States till sometime in 2010...

False again.
Sprint employees have pretty much confirmed that it's coming to Sprint BEFORE Christmas of this year as the HTC Adonis.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=90478

(One of several forums with users who can corroborate various Sprint reps telling them the same thing)

Either way, Q1 2010 is when it should hit all carriers regardless of whether it makes it to Sprint before Xmas.

I for one can and will wait, whether its 7 more weeks or 12 more weeks.

and I am not leaving VZW just to get a unlocked phone at full price. The Droid looks to be a great phone running on an improving platform. May look into other phones once WM7 arrives but right now there really is nothing to go off of.

You should. You're getting ripped off as far as service fees go.

Grab a SERO account for Sprint off of Ebay (best service plan on the planet, bar none), and never look back.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by badboy

Who buys a phone that uses windows mobile in this day and age?

People who want the best phone on the planet, and a phone that's meant for something more than just dicking around.


Besides, ANYTHING the iPhone can do, this can do, and it can do it better.

[Caleb]

Originally Posted by badboy

Who buys a phone that uses windows mobile in this day and age?

People who aren't Mactards.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Caleb

People who aren't Mactards.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Caleb

People who aren't Mactards.

I didnt know people who use android are mactards
Thats a new one

[Dandingo]

Originally Posted by WFTW

Of course it's better.

It's much more finger-friendlier. Especially the 6.5.1 builds.

It also introduces kinetic scrolling throughout the OS.

The Tiny little buttons are now gone.

The text messaging, clock menus, settings menus, calendar menus, etc. have all been skinned out of the box, without any other skins/themes running on top.

It's not WM7, but it sure as hell beats 6.1 by a long shot in terms of finger-friendliness




No it's not.

It's running Sense UI, same as what HTC is introducing (has introduced) for the new/upcoming Android handsets in the future.



Think of Sense UI as TF3D on steroids. And by the way, GOOD GOD IS THAT THING GORGEOUS



Then you are confidently wrong.



False again.
Sprint employees have pretty much confirmed that it's coming to Sprint BEFORE Christmas of this year as the HTC Adonis.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=90478

(One of several forums with users who can corroborate various Sprint reps telling them the same thing)

Either way, Q1 2010 is when it should hit all carriers regardless of whether it makes it to Sprint before Xmas.

I for one can and will wait, whether its 7 more weeks or 12 more weeks.



You should. You're getting ripped off as far as service fees go.

Grab a SERO account for Sprint off of Ebay (best service plan on the planet, bar none), and never look back.

Couple of things....

1) I am glad that you like WM....but there is no denying that it is outdated.

2) The shell on the HD 2 may have been renamed "HTC Sense" but that is TouchFLO 3D and it looks nothing like the "Sense" UI that is available on the Android driven HTC Hero/Droid Eris/Tattoo. So am I to believe that Sense for Android will look different than Sense for WM as it does in it's current state?

3) Rumors from so called Sprint employees on so-called devices that have not been confirmed for any US carrier is pretty much a rumor any way you slice it. We do know that it is coming to the US in 2010 as was confirmed by Peter Chou of HTC.

4) A Family share plan with 1500 minutes, unlimited mobile to mobile and data/web on Sprint is $20 less than what I pay with Verizon. 20$ to me is hardly worth the decline in network reliability.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Dandingo

Couple of things....

1) I am glad that you like WM....but there is no denying that it is outdated.

The ONLY shortcoming of WinMo was that it lacked a modern, finger-friendly UI.

That is a thing of the past now.

In terms of features and capabilities, WinMo is second to none, and it is Android and iPhone that are playing catchup in terms of features, especially business-class features.

2) The shell on the HD 2 may have been renamed "HTC Sense" but that is TouchFLO 3D and it looks nothing like the "Sense" UI that is available on the Android driven HTC Hero/Droid Eris/Tattoo. So am I to believe that Sense for Android will look different than Sense for WM as it does in it's current state?

Wrong on all levels.
IT IS SENSE UI.

http://www.techtickerblog.com/2009/1...with-sense-ui/

Here is the OFFICIAL HTC commercial/ad for the HD2



Also, at the last 7 seconds of the video or so, it spells it out "HTC HD2 With HTC Sense"

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

3) Rumors from so called Sprint employees on so-called devices that have not been confirmed for any US carrier is pretty much a rumor any way you slice it. We do know that it is coming to the US in 2010 as was confirmed by Peter Chou of HTC.

Q1 2010 is confirmed for "all interested parties", of which HTC noted "we didn't have a hard time pitching it to any carrier".

It's understandable that some carriers will want to beat others to the punch though, and as of late, Sprint has been leading the charge in terms of getting must have phones before the other carriers.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they got it before the other carriers.

Verizon ALWAYS gimps phones and is always late to the game.
ATT is limiting themselves with the iPhone.
TMo's phone selections are always an afterthough for them, and besides they are too involved with Android now.
So that leaves Sprint.

Besides, as I stated, whether it's out 7 weeks from now or 14 weeks from now, the wait will be worth it for having the best phone on the planet, bar none.

4) A Family share plan with 1500 minutes, unlimited mobile to mobile and data/web on Sprint is $20 less than what I pay with Verizon. 20$ to me is hardly worth the decline in network reliability.

You're not familiar with SERO then I take it?

SERO 500 Plan with Pick 5 + Google Voice
=
500 Anytime Minutes
Unlimited Calls via Pick 5 + Google Voice (OUTGOING = Unlimited in every way with no shortcomings or drawbacks, Incoming can be made unlimited if you want to sacrifice your caller ID for Google Voice incoming calls)
Unlimited M2M
Unlimited Data
Unlimited Txt/Picture Messaging
GPS
Unlimited N/W starting at 7P

$30/Month

If you feel the need for more anytime minutes (which is pointless considering that Google Voice + Pick 5 gives you unlimited minutes)

SERO 1250 = same as above for $49/month

Nothing compares to the SERO plans.

[Dandingo]

Ummm ok....Sense on Android is not the same as Sense on WM....

Android


WM 6.5


How am I wrong?

HTC essentially updated TouchFlo3D and renamed it "HTC sense" but it in no way resembles the Sense UI available on the HTC Hero(Android). HTC may call both of these UI's Sense but the one of them is an original skin and the other is an updated TF3D skin.

Also, it seems that the first US carrier to get the HD2 will be VZW, oh...and it will run Android:

More Info:

Verizon to possibly release HTC Passion(HD2) on Black Friday.

HD2 gets renamed Passion and runs Android 2.0

[Dandingo]

Update:

It seems I was right....

HTC HD2 launch event


HTC HD2 Launch Event on November 4

By Simon Sage on Monday, November 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 AM PST In HTC, Windows Mobile

HTC HD2launch HTC HD2 Launch Event on November 4Invites to a private event in Taipei recently went out, boldly titled the HTC HD2 Product Launch and dated for November 4. HTC is touting the HD2 as “the first Windows phone with HTC Sense”, although that really just amounts to an update in TouchFlo 3D. Still, it’s good news that things are getting official with HTC’s WinMo behemoth; packing a 1 Ghz Snapdragon, a 4.3″ WVGA touch display, Wi-Fi, GPS, and of course Windows Mobile 6.5. The November 4 date lines up nicely with previous rumours that Europe would see the HD2 on the 11th., but the U.S. probably won’t get it until early 2010 – let’s keep our fingers crossed for confirmation in the next few days. To get up close and personal with the HD2, take a look at our hands-on video from CTIA.

That's all I was trying to say.....

[daPhoenix]

Originally Posted by badboy

I didnt know people who use android are mactards

They're still living in the stone age when it comes to telecommunications, arguing with them is pointless.

[DewFuel]

arguing about who has a better smart phone is stupid

[VW_Factor]

Originally Posted by WFTW

Wrong on all levels.
IT IS SENSE UI.

Dude.. Really. Lets cut through the bull****. Regardless of whoever has called it what.. It is TouchFlo..

It acts and looks NOTHING like SenseUI. For you to sit here and defend it because of its name, is just stupid.

Get over it. Doesnt mean its not a great phone. I'd like one myself. Ive found no problems working with TouchFlo (which this is like identical too).

Dont feel you need to defend it on its name.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Dandingo

Ummm ok....Sense on Android is not the same as Sense on WM....

Android


WM 6.5


How am I wrong?

You're wrong in assuming that you know more about naming conventions of their shells than HTC themselves.

Sense UI for WinMo has enough differences that would differentiate it from TF3D as a different product, and calling it straight-up TF3D would be unfair to the numerous changes and updates that HTC have made to the UI.

HTC essentially updated TouchFlo3D and renamed it "HTC sense" but it in no way resembles the Sense UI available on the HTC Hero(Android). HTC may call both of these UI's Sense but the one of them is an original skin and the other is an updated TF3D skin.

They share the same features but different look.
TF3D has a look of familiarity for HTC WinMo phone owners, so they didn't want to completely depart from what worked.

They just tweaked the hell out of it, made several more additions to it, and applied it to virtually 99% of the OS, so that's about the only thing you'll ever have to see. There are numerous changes that I could go over, and HTC felt those changes were enough to warrant a name change.

HTC felt it, not WFTW, not Dandingo.

Also, it seems that the first US carrier to get the HD2 will be VZW, oh...and it will run Android:

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Those are 2 ENTIRELY separate phones you're talking about.
Do a bit more research please.

The HD2 = the Leo
The Android Snapdragon based phone (which may or may not have all of the same features as the Leo) = the Dragon

1. They look entirely different in terms of physical form factor
2. The specs for one has already been confirmed and has already been demoed, and is set to launch this week in Europe and Asia (Hint: it's the HD2/Leo with WM 6.5, NOT the Android based Dragon)
3. VZW has NOT confirmed a single thing about the LEO / HD2
Whether they get a Snapdragon based Android phone is irrelevant, as that has nothing to do with the Leo which this thread is about.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by VW_Factor

Dude.. Really. Lets cut through the bull****. Regardless of whoever has called it what.. It is TouchFlo..

It acts and looks NOTHING like SenseUI. For you to sit here and defend it because of its name, is just stupid.

Get over it. Doesnt mean its not a great phone. I'd like one myself. Ive found no problems working with TouchFlo (which this is like identical too).

Dont feel you need to defend it on its name.

There are numerous changes that I could go over, and HTC themselves felt those changes were enough to warrant a name change.

HTC felt it, not WFTW, not Dandingo, not VW_Factor.

In all fairness though, they should have called it TF3D 3 based on its looks, but since it shares the same feature set (and then some) as the Android Sense, they decided to call it that instead.

Once again, THEIR call, not yours, not mine.

Everything you see here


Looks and functions VERY similarly to everything you see here



That, there is no denying.

The only difference is that Sense UI on Windows (or as I personally prefer to call it TF3D 3) has visible icons on the bottom portion of the screen, whereas on Android those icons are replaced with a 3 button panel, although the same functionality exists by swiping left-right, thus allowing you to access the SAME panels/screens no matter whether you're on Windows or Android.

[WFTW]

The Android version of Sense UI displays elements almost like "cards" but can also be switched to full screen, at which point it looks EXACTLY like the WinMo version.

In light of that, the Windows version and the Android version Share the same:

twitter UI
weather UI
clock ui
people ui
music UI
keyboard UI
messaging UI
programs UI
settings UI
selection menu UI
call history UI
contact card UI
photo album UI
Facebook UI
SmartDialer UI
Footprints UI
Email UI
Calendar UI
World Clock UI
Stock Exchcange UI


The only difference once more is that on WinMo, they have a row of visible icons on the bottom of the screen and everything comes up full screen as you switch from one tab to the next.

On Android most of the UI elements appear card-like, but can then be switched to full-screen mode just as easily on WinMo.


It's virtually the same damned thing.
I mean have you guys even watched the comparison videos?

[VW_Factor]

Originally Posted by WFTW

*snip*
That, there is no denying.

So again, snipp'in out the bull****..

You arent fooling anyone.. It doesnt matter what they call it. Its still just updated TouchFlo.. You are just buying into marketing spin.

[Razeus]

This too, like all other WinMo phones, will come and go with little fanfare and minimal recognition. I think everyone has pretty much written off the WinMo OS, and rightfully so.

[CurrentlyPissed]

When should the states be seeing this phone? My old iPhone EDGE(Original) is wearing me down fast and the battery life is so god aweful.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by VW_Factor

So again, snipp'in out the bull****..

You arent fooling anyone.. It doesnt matter what they call it. Its still just updated TouchFlo.. You are just buying into marketing spin.

Stop being so damn obstinate and obtuse.

Just watch the entire demo videos and see it for yourself.

They have the EXACT same:

twitter UI
weather UI
clock ui
people ui
music UI
keyboard UI
messaging UI
programs UI
settings UI
selection menu UI
call history UI
contact card UI
photo album UI
Facebook UI
SmartDialer UI
Footprints UI
Email UI
Calendar UI
World Clock UI
Stock Exchcange UI


What else is there left in your opinion that would disqualify it as Sense UI?

Hell, for that matter, Sense UI on Android according to you should just as well be called TF3D, seeing as how it also has the exact same:

twitter UI
weather UI
clock ui
people ui
music UI
keyboard UI
messaging UI
programs UI
settings UI
selection menu UI
call history UI
contact card UI
photo album UI
Facebook UI
SmartDialer UI
Footprints UI
Email UI
Calendar UI
World Clock UI
Stock Exchcange UI

As the HD2


The only difference is, that on WinMo phones, there are icons along the bottom of the screen representing each UI element (tabs).

On Android devices, those icons are invisible, but the so-called tabs are still there, and look IDENTICAL to those on WinMo.


Without accusing me of buying into marketing or PR speak, do yourself a service first and watch the videos before posting.

[WFTW]

Originally Posted by Razeus

This too, like all other WinMo phones, will come and go with little fanfare and minimal recognition. I think everyone has pretty much written off the WinMo OS, and rightfully so.

That must explain why more than 50 new WinMo handsets are coming out between now and Q1 2010.

That must also explain why there are more than 100,000 devs currently working on apps for WinMo 6.5 and 7.

That must also explain why HTC has reaffirmed their committment to Microsoft and reiterated the fact that they will always try to take care of WinMo first.

That must also explain why everyone who has previewd and reviewed the HD2/Leo has had nothing but positive comments to make, and all have gone on to note how it handles tasks much more elegantly, with more speed and efficiency than the iPhone.

The original iPhone when it came out was stuck in 2002 in terms of features and capabilities.
The iPhone 3G was stuck in 2006 when it came to features and capabilities.
Now the iPhone 3GS is stuck in 2008 when it comes to features and capabilities.

Now nearing 2010, the HD2 is the wave of the future, whereas iDiots can stick with their iPhones and always play catchup to the rest of us. (Heck, my grandmothers flip phone in 2004 could handle MMS and video recording, finally after 3 years, now you and my grandma have something in common that you 2 can talk about...oh wait, iPhone has a 30% call drop rate...you may want to MMS her instead...now that you can finally do that)

As for the HD2, It's twice the phone the iPhone could ever hope to be in its current incarnation.

The iPhone is comparatively slower by about 80%
The iPhone gets destroyed in terms of resolution, as the HD2 has 250% more screen space in terms of pure resolution
The iPhone gets destroyed in terms of screen size (4.3" vs 3.5")
The iPhone lacks an LED flash
The iPhone has 1/2 the camera resolution


The iPhone furthermore lacks:
- User accessible file system
- Bluetooth file sharing
- True Exchange support
- Flash-enabled browsing
- Video conferencing
- Multi-tasking
- Tethering without jailbreaking
- Ability to create and edit *any* Office document
- Abilty to turn it into a Wi-Fi, USB, & Bluetooth router
- Voice-activated system-wide commands for texting, launching apps, playing music, searching online, google maps and bing searches, etc. (not just dialing)
- No way to use Skype or several other apps like it without WiFi
- Lack of Google Voice

etc etc

Enjoy using yesteryear's technology while the world passes you by, AGAIN.

[WFTW]

Another video: Browser Speed Test
HTC HD2 running WM 6.5 versus HTC Hero running Android




| Device | | Start Time | | End Time | | Actual Load Time |
- Touch HD2 with opera 9.7...............12sec.....................21sec......................9secs
- HTC Hero with Hero Browser.............10sec.....................40sec......................30secs


No contest. The HD2 with Opera 9.7 Mobile blows away the Hero with its Google-created browser.

[WFTW]

Also for VW and Dandingo:

"It’s fair to say that the last time we saw excitement to this degree about a Windows Phone it centered on the HTC Touch HD, and so it seems only right that it’s the company’s successor to that handset, the HTC HD2, that is prompting such interest in 2009. Announced last month after copious rumors, what makes the HD2 special is its 4.3-inch capacitive touchscreen, HTC Sense UI and 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset. It’s taken a while, but the HTC HD2 has finally dropped onto the SlashGear test bench, so check out our first impressions and an unboxing video after the cut.

Updated with first-boot video demo after the cut"

What the both of you fail to understand is, just because the home-screens look slightly different, and one has visible icons on the bottom part of the screen, whereas the other one does not, doesn't negate the fact that virtually EVERY SINGLE UI element is for all intents and purposes the SAME across the board between Android Sense UI and the WinMo Sense UI.

Every single screenshot, every single video, every single reviewer has commented on these virtually identical similarities across the board.

Since I can't post their video on here, just watch it for yourselves.

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-vid...sions-0262523/


twitter UI
weather UI
clock ui
people ui
music UI
keyboard UI
messaging UI
settings UI
selection menu UI
call history UI
contact card UI
photo album UI
Facebook UI
SmartDialer UI
Footprints UI
Email UI
Calendar UI
World Clock UI
Stock Exchcange UI

Are practically identical for all intents and purposes, so what does that leave that's not? Aside from WinMo and Android specific UI elements such as Start Menu Program launcher on WinMo, and Androids custom Program launcher (which in any case still look strikingly similar -- scrollable icons oriented in a vertical grid-like fashion), everything else that's HTC related looks the same or strikingly similar.