H1N1 is it really a large scale outbreak?

[Rad2owns]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5405872n&tag=api

CBS had a 3 month investigation that culminated in realizing only 1 - 17 Percent of claimed swine flu infection were actual cases.

The cases were more likely to not be flu at all and normal flu cases were much more prevalent than H1N1.

Any one know how to embed this video?

[vitocorleone]

Historically, the dominant flu strain takes over at some point. Based on this (historically supported) theory, this Fall, it is likely to be everywhere.

Some doctors even say that (given the above) right now, if you have the flu, it's probably H1N1.

[Rad2owns]

Originally Posted by vitocorleone

Historically, the dominant flu strain takes over at some point. Based on this (historically supported) theory, this Fall, it is likely to be everywhere.

Some doctors even say that (given the above) right now, if you have the flu, it's probably H1N1.

That comment is wrong.
If you have flu its much more likely to be normal flu strains.
Did you even watch it?

[vitocorleone]

No, I didn't. I was stating the historical beliefs, not making a claim.

In related news, H1N1 has been called a national emergency in a pre-emptive manner. Also, tests of 5,000 flu patients have revealed that the vast majority have H1N1, not "regular" flu.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423...-cold_and_flu/

[AllexxisF1]

LINK to one incredible roxxorhaxxor scientific map with all known cases world wide.

[Nunz]

Man, if H1N1 ends up being as bad as some of the stuff I've read...

**** me..

[JonZ]

Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

LINK to one incredible roxxorhaxxor scientific map with all known cases world wide.

Poor Australians

[ZeeM]

lololol americans trying to sell their drug and spreading fear all over the world with their supposed epidemic. They even persuaded goverments to buy huge quantities (hundreds of millions) of this UNTESTED shot which if you want to take you have to sign a document that basically says "ITS NOT OUR FAULT IF YOU DIE". One of the biggest frauds of this century.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by ZeeM

lololol americans trying to sell their drug and spreading fear all over the world with their supposed epidemic. They even persuaded goverments to buy huge quantities (hundreds of millions) of this UNTESTED shot which if you want to take you have to sign a document that basically says "ITS NOT OUR FAULT IF YOU DIE". One of the biggest frauds of this century.

You really don't want what I've got.

[AllexxisF1]

Originally Posted by ZeeM

lololol americans trying to sell their drug and spreading fear all over the world with their supposed epidemic.

Yea I guess all those countless thousands that are sick and hundreds that have died world wide is all in on one big scam.

[Rad2owns]

Originally Posted by vitocorleone

No, I didn't. I was stating the historical beliefs, not making a claim.

In related news, H1N1 has been called a national emergency in a pre-emptive manner. Also, tests of 5,000 flu patients have revealed that the vast majority have H1N1, not "regular" flu.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423...-cold_and_flu/

According to what data.
There is just a written article with no data to back it up.
My link actually analyzed the data and found out its mostly BS.

Its OK to be fed BS Data in order to keep you safe and taking Vaccines that you dont need and are horrendously expensive and untested.

Nice!!!
Keep the Paranoia alive Americans need to be scared to be safe!!

[acidosmosis]

Insert a big DUH here.

I don't need to watch a video aired by any TV media to know that H1N1 is not a large scale outbreak and that it's been a lie all along. It was practically obvious from day one that they mentioned H1N1 this time around.

Originally Posted by AllexxisF1

Yea I guess all those countless thousands that are sick and hundreds that have died world wide is all in on one big scam.

Aren't you a the poster child media peon.

You show me proof that thousands and sick and hundreds have died. Then I'll show you a 100 years of proof that 50 other types of flu has infected and killed 10,000% more people each year for the past 100 years of recorded statistics. Then I'll laugh at you for calling H1N1 an epidemic, when it's as much as an epidemic as The Black Plague 2009.

H1N1 is a joke. It kills very few people. If H1N1 was a Simpsons character, it would be Burns.

[Flyordie]

Originally Posted by acidosmosis

Insert a big DUH here.

I don't need to watch a video aired by any TV media to know that H1N1 is not a large scale outbreak and that it's been a lie all along. It was practically obvious from day one that they mentioned H1N1 this time around.



Aren't you a the poster child media peon.

You show me proof that thousands and sick and hundreds have died. Then I'll show you a 100 years of proof that 50 other types of flu has infected and killed 10,000% more people each year for the past 100 years of recorded statistics. Then I'll laugh at you for calling H1N1 an epidemic, when it's as much as an epidemic as The Black Plague 2009.

H1N1 is a joke. It kills very few people. If H1N1 was a Simpsons character, it would be Burns.

The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish Flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1.
Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients.

About 50-60 Million died from the 1918 outbreak of H1N1... depending on the sources you use. So I would say, it is a threat, and at least we are ready to combat it pretty fast when the time comes.

Never EVER underestimate H1N1. I was one of the unlucky few that caught it in 1996... I will never wish that on anyone.

[Djinn]

Why speculate? Pretty much all of the figures are here.

The only statistic I haven't found (and it may very well be somewhere on my link), concerns the percentage of hospitalized H1N1 patients with secondary conditions, versus hospitalized H1N1 patients without secondary conditions.

I keep hearing, for example, about the unusually high pediatric mortality rate. I would like to know what percentage of those patients had pre-existing conditions that put them at higher risk than an otherwise healthy child of the same age.

[FrAg Of FuRy]

H1N1, it instills more fear in the people and allows control over the masses. (Obama just considered it a national emergency and can basically call martial law if he wants under the h1n1 fear) It also diverts attention from things they don't want the spotlight on.

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by FrAg Of FuRy

H1N1, it instills more fear in the people and allows control over the masses. (Obama just considered it a national emergency and can basically call martial law if he wants under the h1n1 fear) It also diverts attention from things they don't want the spotlight on.

Technically, a U.S. President doesn't need an excuse to declare martial law. The President can unilaterally declare a National Emergency under Executive Order 12919, whether or not any emergency exists.

[FrAg Of FuRy]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Technically, a U.S. President doesn't need an excuse to declare martial law. The President can unilaterally declare a National Emergency under Executive Order 12919, whether or not any emergency exists.

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by FrAg Of FuRy

Actually, though very few scholars are aware, National Emergency under Executive Order 12919a says that Rage3D moderators also have the power to declare martial law. S'true.

[Ryoko]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Actually, though very few scholars are aware, National Emergency under Executive Order 12919a says that Rage3D moderators also have the power to declare martial law. S'true.

i cannot affirm nor deny this claim.

[vitocorleone]

Originally Posted by Rad2owns

According to what data.
There is just a written article with no data to back it up.
My link actually analyzed the data and found out its mostly BS.

Its OK to be fed BS Data in order to keep you safe and taking Vaccines that you dont need and are horrendously expensive and untested.

Nice!!!
Keep the Paranoia alive Americans need to be scared to be safe!!

Man. If you address me this way, simply someone adding content to your thread - not making any claims to it's veracity, mind you - you must really hate people who do reporting for a living. Did I ever do anything other than make statements? Did I ever state a position? No.

My question is: so the study was done over 3 months... have things changed/are they changing?

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by vitocorleone

... My question is: so the study was done over 3 months... have things changed/are they changing?

Yes. In the last three months, H1N1 deaths have vastly exceeded the the number of deaths that would normally be expected from the flu by this time.

[acidosmosis]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Yes. In the last three months, H1N1 deaths have vastly exceeded the the number of deaths that would normally be expected from the flu by this time.

[ZeeM]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Yes. In the last three months, H1N1 deaths have vastly exceeded the the number of deaths that would normally be expected from the flu by this time.

lol wat

Originally Posted by wikipedia on flu

Although the incidence of influenza can vary widely between years, approximately 36,000 deaths and more than 200,000 hospitalizations are directly associated with influenza every year in the United States.

And thats the UNITED STATES ALONE.

How many died from h1n1, like 5000 worldwide?

Wake up people. There are hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars at stake here. This is one of the biggest scams of the last century.

[Rad2owns]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Yes. In the last three months, H1N1 deaths have vastly exceeded the the number of deaths that would normally be expected from the flu by this time.

WTF!!!!

[Kombatant]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Actually, though very few scholars are aware, National Emergency under Executive Order 12919a says that Rage3D moderators also have the power to declare martial law. S'true.

Sssshh!

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by Rad2owns

WTF!!!!

Read the pages in the CDC link (post #14).

[Rad2owns]

Originally Posted by vitocorleone

Man. If you address me this way, simply someone adding content to your thread - not making any claims to it's veracity, mind you - you must really hate people who do reporting for a living. Did I ever do anything other than make statements? Did I ever state a position? No.

My question is: so the study was done over 3 months... have things changed/are they changing?

OK fine I was a bit harsh.
I just find it so strange that this has been turned into the death wheel end of times virus when its not.
Its costing every Government mega truck loads of money and possibly peoples health, untested vaccines.
Its caused way less of everything compared to classic flu.
CDC has told Health Institutions to stop testing because its out of control.
When the real Data shows its not even close.
Its like saying if you suspect its H1N1 then it is.
They dont care if people have Swine flu, Classic flu, Colds or Bacterial infections.
If you add up all the suspected cases even if they dont have anything then its bad.
It just dosnt make sense how its being handled at all.

[Djinn]

Originally Posted by Rad2owns

OK fine I was a bit harsh.
I just find it so strange that this has been turned into the death wheel end of times virus when its not.

Not "end of times." Just a particularly dangerous virus.

Its costing every Government mega truck loads of money and possibly peoples health, untested vaccines.

All flu vaccines are thoroughly tested. The H1N1 vaccine is exactly like all other flu vaccines, just a different strain.

The CDC strongly recommends vaccination.

And those that think that it's a scam to make billions for the pharmaceuticals, are talking nonsense. Yes, drug companies make some profit on vaccines, but overall, not much. There's little money to be made in drugs that people take once or twice in a lifetime. Besides, most pharmas compromise their vaccine profits by donating vaccines to third-world countries.

The BIG money is made with drugs that people take on an ongoing basis, like Lipotor, and even Rogaine.

[Rad2owns]

Originally Posted by Djinn

Not "end of times." Just a particularly dangerous virus.


All flu vaccines are thoroughly tested. The H1N1 vaccine is exactly like all other flu vaccines, just a different strain.

The CDC strongly recommends vaccination.

And those that think that it's a scam to make billions for the pharmaceuticals, are talking nonsense. Yes, drug companies make some profit on vaccines, but overall, not much. There's little money to be made in drugs that people take once or twice in a lifetime. Besides, most pharmas compromise their vaccine profits by donating vaccines to third-world countries.

The BIG money is made with drugs that people take on an ongoing basis, like Lipotor, and even Rogaine.

OK first off the Vaccine was released from the normal tests and safegurads to get it out on time that was reported widely up here in the North..
Second I checked the data the CDC is reporting and it is WAY different than the CBS data.
I checked the data from the time frame of the CBS report and like CBS reported it, its totally different then the info on the site.

Edit.
Its not like other Vaccines compare them yourself.

[ZeeM]

Originally Posted by Djinn

All flu vaccines are thoroughly tested.

What are you talking about? Stop talking nonsense.
They make you sign a document that frees them from any responsibility from side effects unlike with the plain flu shots.
Its barely tested, its all over the news here for the last weeks.

Originally Posted by Djinn

And those that think that it's a scam to make billions for the pharmaceuticals, are talking nonsense. Yes, drug companies make some profit on vaccines, but overall, not much. There's little money to be made in drugs that people take once or twice in a lifetime. Besides, most pharmas compromise their vaccine profits by donating vaccines to third-world countries.

wow you can't be more naive, seriously open your eyes a little bit.
In china alone they will vaccinate 65 million people. Some news article said that shots will cost goverments 2.5$ to 20$ per shot, depending on their ability to pay (economic status). Do the math yourself.
The donations are just a small percentage of the total.