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Old Jul 4, 2020, 03:02 AM   #1051
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the 290x did nicely and crossfire worked well on them at 1600p

https://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/...290x-review/15
Yeah... That was 7 years ago bill...
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Old Jul 4, 2020, 03:34 AM   #1052
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and if NV is on samsung and a larger node

i think AMD has a good change of doing it again this time
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Old Jul 4, 2020, 04:28 AM   #1053
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I'm not so sure yet. AMD has had the better specs on paper before, and then fell extremely short of the mark.

We already know that smaller node does not automatically translate into the highest performance. Intel chips were still slapping around the first 7nm Ryzen chips (until the 3000 series, really) in gaming workloads. As far as I've read, Samsung's 8nm process is pretty well developed and quite reliable. I don't really see much evidence that going with Samsung for fab will hurt NV.

I do think this comes to a larger issue though. TSMC needs competition and someone needs to step up.
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Old Jul 4, 2020, 04:50 AM   #1054
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I'm not so sure yet. AMD has had the better specs on paper before, and then fell extremely short of the mark.

We already know that smaller node does not automatically translate into the highest performance. Intel chips were still slapping around the first 7nm Ryzen chips (until the 3000 series, really) in gaming workloads. As far as I've read, Samsung's 8nm process is pretty well developed and quite reliable. I don't really see much evidence that going with Samsung for fab will hurt NV.

I do think this comes to a larger issue though. TSMC needs competition and someone needs to step up.
they said the same with vega 64 on Samsung's 14nm
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they said the same with vega 64 on Samsung's 14nm
The 14nm process was known to be far worse than TSMCs 14nm, if I'm not mistaken. Samsung's 8nm, as far as I've read, has been much more successful. NV has been more efficient on the same process than AMD has in the past, as well.

I wouldn't take this news as negative just yet. This could help NV manage a price war since they won't be overpaying for TSMC.
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Bill you're just gonna end up buying a 3090 anyway despite badmouthing it, the process, and the price.
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Bill you're just gonna end up buying a 3090 anyway despite badmouthing it, the process, and the price.
not if AMD come thru

if navi 2x is 25% to 50% faster than a 2080 ti that will be fine
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if navi 2x is 25% to 50% faster than a 2080 ti that will be fine
Wow that's a big if. Nice if you where right. There is some desperate need of competition at the top.
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Wow that's a big if. Nice if you where right. There is some desperate need of competition at the top.
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Bill stop your bitching and moaning, go get your shoulder broke coz that 3090 ain’t gonna pay for itself.
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they said the same with vega 64 on Samsung's 14nm
I don't think Vega's problem was the process, it was that it just that the design didn't clock high enough (thus forcing them to push insane voltages to be competitive). Of course, I suppose the process could have affected that.
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I don't think Vega's problem was the process, it was that it just that the design didn't clock high enough (thus forcing them to push insane voltages to be competitive). Of course, I suppose the process could have affected that.
well Vega 64 was 350 watts and so is the 3090 from all reports

the 2080 ti is 250 w TDP and can heat up the room a good bit

for a 40% increase in power draw and a new node it better have have a lot better than the normal 35% performance increase that we have gotten the last few new ti's

because if it is just the normal 35% performance increase and 350 watts it is a fail just as bad as Vega 64
and not just mostly a ray tracing side performance increase like some reports
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the 290x did nicely and crossfire worked well on them at 1600p

https://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/...290x-review/15
Amd was performance competitive but Nvidia simply lowered prices of the Gtx 780 and 770, while introducing the Gtx 780ti to easily compete and still retain its strengths.

Looking for a more balanced architecture from Amd this time, than the Hawaii generation from Amd.
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I think 290X was competitive enough. All the reviewers made a big deal about how it ran "hot", but strangely enough almost every GPU now runs at those temps. If that was their low water mark things would have been fine, it's just each generation after that it just got worse. Fury was just borderline competitive with the 980 Ti, and didn't have enough VRAM. Vega was atrocious as they shipped it, but honestly think the mistake they made was not binning the chips more aggressively. Just put the best ones out as gaming GPUs and run at 1000 or 1050mv instead of 1200mv and you actually have a decent product. Then just sell the others as workstation cards. But it is what it is.

Hopefully things are different this time around...but it seems like we won't know for another couple of months yet.
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400w? dang...
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400w? dang...
i seem to remember all the hand wringing and craze when AMD first used a 6 pin and a 8 pin instead of two sixes

and oh the horror every time AMD had higher power draw than their last card



but NV used a plug that is 400 watts and can go as high as 600 watts and it is "oh well"
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This isn't quite confirmed yet, Bill. However, we will look forward to you spending your cash on an Nvidia card even if AMD comes out on top this year.
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That samsung process must suck. These cards will arrive just in time for winter though!
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nope nope nope


even if NV comes out on top this year if it uses close to 400 watts

now if AMD does come out on top this year they only well get my cash
and why would anyone buy NV if they are slower ?

or even if AMD is only faster at the same power draw if NV is overclocking the cards to the max to get a small win but runs like a space heater
since rumors so far have them both 3090 and navi 2x about 40% to 50% faster than a 2080 ti
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Old Jul 15, 2020, 07:33 AM   #1077
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Can someone link me a to a PSU that has this connector now?
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Old Jul 15, 2020, 08:06 AM   #1078
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Can someone link me a to a PSU that has this connector now?
I think it's better to wait to see if the news is even true.

I'm sure there will be articles stating 24 pin connectors needed coming from WFCCtech coming any day soon.



ANYHOW

Does AMD have any DLSS competitor?

Because DLSS 2.0 is already equal or even in some cases superior to native 4k, and we know that Nvidia is pretty aggressive in making sure all teh big games will support Nvidia features.

So unless AMD has DLSS comparable solutions you're talking about Nvidia having such a huge lead in performance that AMD will never be able to get near.
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