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Old Jun 29, 2020, 08:58 AM   #1
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This is not news, but a confirmation from a reputable source. We have already covered Cezanne and other AMD APUs in an article last month. AMD Cezanne is expected to launch under Ryzen 5000G, H, and U series next year. This is a successor to Renoir, which took the mobile market by surprise.
APUs: Renoir -> Cezanne -> Rembrandt?

It is now exclusively reported by Igor Wallossek, that Cezanne silicon is still in an A0 stepping, which means an early stage of development. On the other hand, Vermeer (Ryzen 4000 desktop) is already on B0 stepping, which is more or less the final state and the processors should be ready for mass production.

AMD Cezanne is now confirmed by Igor to feature Vega graphics, likely to be the final refresh of the Vega graphics we have already seen in Picasso APUs, later refreshed for Renoir silicon.

The company is also expected to unveil its Van Gogh silicon for low-power APUs, likely to be a successor just released Dali APUs under Athlon 3000U series. However, unlike Cezanne, Van Gogh is expected to feature RDNA-based GPU cores. At the same time, the low power APUs are rumored to carry Zen2 cores, so it’s one step further and one step backward.

Things are about to change with Rembrandt’s arrival. This is the successor to Cezanne, but not only featuring newer Zen3 cores but also RDNA-based integrated graphics. Combining the best of both CPU and GPU worlds.
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CPUs: Matisse -> Vermeer -> Warhol -> Raphael?

It is still not quite clear what will happen after Vermeer, the next-generation Ryzen 4000 mainstream desktop series. We have already had a leak mentioning Warhol and Raphael, but it was not official or reported by other reputable sources to really take it seriously.

Next year AMD will be shifting to a newer socket, so Warhol could be an interim series while we make the transition. Warhol is also rumored to be Zen3 still, but probably a refreshed design known as Zen3+.

Meanwhile, its successor is currently expected to be Raphael, would bring Zen4 cores to the market, this is the true upgrade for Ryzen family, as it should feature 5nm core design and support for DDR5 memory.
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Old Jun 29, 2020, 10:22 AM   #2
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Nice! Hopefully my board will support the Zen4 architecture and I'll move to a Ryzen 6000 in a couple years.
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Nice! Hopefully my board will support the Zen4 architecture and I'll move to a Ryzen 6000 in a couple years.
The transition from DDR4 to DDR5 will necessitate a new mobo.
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Interesting tweet here saying asus ch6 will get ryzen 4k support:

https://twitter.com/1usmus/status/1262983408306790401


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Hes the guy who wrote drma calculator. Does asus ch6 have 32 meg bios chip?
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The transition from DDR4 to DDR5 will necessitate a new mobo.
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Man... I think this might end up being the only time I've skipped an entire generation of memory for my desktop . Assuming I don't cave and buy into the last AM3 generation of Ryzen before the end of the year.
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AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3000 CPU Official Specs Leak Out – Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3995WX Flagship, Up To 64 Cores, 128 Threads, 128 PCIe Lanes & 8-Channel / 2TB DDR4 Memory Support
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Prices of these parts remain to be disclosed but we will be getting more information on 14th of July which is suggested to be the announcement day for the AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3000 series family


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Interesting tweet here saying asus ch6 will get ryzen 4k support:

https://twitter.com/1usmus/status/1262983408306790401




Hes the guy who wrote drma calculator. Does asus ch6 have 32 meg bios chip?
I really hope it is true. The truth is there's not that much difference between X370 and X470 so it should be do-able. If I did not have to pull my CH6 to upgrade that would be a huge boon.
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I really hope it is true. The truth is there's not that much difference between X370 and X470 so it should be do-able. If I did not have to pull my CH6 to upgrade that would be a huge boon.
I just put in the latest bios F50d with agesa 1.0.0.6 up from F50a 1.0.0.4 and its the same size as the old bios while adding R3K XT cpus support.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard...upport-dl-bios

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I noticed the 5000g will still be using Vega. I really hope by the time DDR5 is normalized that AMD will take its APUs seriously. I really like the idea of a 65 watt TDP SoC that could double as a mid range gaming PC in a pinch. I have a Ryzen3 2200g in my media PC, and you'd be surprised how many AAA games it can play at 900p or better. You'd also be surprised how far back in time you have to go to find something playable at 1440p or higher. My point anyway, is that even though they've only really done low end so far, there is still a lot of potential.
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I noticed the 5000g will still be using Vega. I really hope by the time DDR5 is normalized that AMD will take its APUs seriously. I really like the idea of a 65 watt TDP SoC that could double as a mid range gaming PC in a pinch. I have a Ryzen3 2200g in my media PC, and you'd be surprised how many AAA games it can play at 900p or better. You'd also be surprised how far back in time you have to go to find something playable at 1440p or higher. My point anyway, is that even though they've only really done low end so far, there is still a lot of potential.
AMD gimps themselves somehow...the 4000 series APU gets boosted with Zen2 but then gets crippled with Vega8 on the top end (instead of using Vega11). Its somewhat compensated with the higher clocks but the performance increase could have been higher than what it is going to be.
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AMD gimps themselves somehow...the 4000 series APU gets boosted with Zen2 but then gets crippled with Vega8 on the top end (instead of using Vega11). Its somewhat compensated with the higher clocks but the performance increase could have been higher than what it is going to be.
The APUs are completely limited by memory bandwidth, so the extra CUs wouldn't make much difference. With the higher IGP clock speed they probably figured they could cut the 3 CUs without it really affecting performance. Maybe if the 8 CUs can clock higher then it could even be a better configuration.
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