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Old May 14, 2020, 04:32 PM   #751
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I think the game is changing and you can meld compute and gaming together more with the use of Tensor cores for driving RTX. At least on NV's side, it may be more efficient.
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Old May 14, 2020, 07:12 PM   #752
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NVIDIA Ditches Intel Xeon, Goes All Onboard With AMD’s EPYC CPUs With Next-Gen Ampere GPUs
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ditches-...n-ampere-gpus/




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Actually it's poor Nvidia, what would happen if both amd and Intel have their own competitive complete package for cpu and GPU in that HPC market? With who Nvidia can partner to sell their limited hardware?

It's not even if anymore, it's a matter of when.
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Old May 14, 2020, 10:41 PM   #754
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TSMC Is Planning To Open Fab In US Which Will Produce 5nm Chips & Is Expected To Be Operational By 2023
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A few days ago, it was reinforced that TSMC would not be building a production facility in the United States, but a report released from the Wall Street Journal contradicts that statement, saying that TSMC is planning to build a facility in Arizona.



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I dont see them making a gaming card over 600mm im expecting around 550mm^2
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Old May 15, 2020, 01:59 AM   #756
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Any word when we'd see mobile Ampere chips?
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Actually it's poor Nvidia, what would happen if both amd and Intel have their own competitive complete package for cpu and GPU in that HPC market? With who Nvidia can partner to sell their limited hardware?

It's not even if anymore, it's a matter of when.
Intel is already in the HPC market. So is AMD. These are just clustered, scalable computing packages, which can be composed of anything. You can have a farm of ARM mobile processors in an HPC package if you wanted.

Nvidia has a clear advantage in this segment that isn't going away any time soon, the more powerful the system is the less of it is needed to be scaled, thus saving in terms of cost, energy, etc.. To get the same parallel computing power out of lesser components you'd need to scale more of them, which means more cost, energy, etc..

The Tesla line of products for AI, simulations, scientific and financial applications, etc... has been very lucrative for Nvidia, its a big chunk of their business now. They get to choose who to pair up with their DGA systems, not the other way around.
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Very weird design tbh. Fans on both side means many M2 slots will be blocked? This will toast your airflow won’t it?
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This picture makes the development look somewhat much earlier in design then AMD's Big Navi where the half picture AMD shows looks like its been done for a while and ready for retail.
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that looks like dog sh*t


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I always buy the initial xx80 card and then buy the TI version 3 weeks later...
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I always buy the initial xx80 card and then buy the TI version 3 weeks later...
He's not kidding! I've bought his xx80 afterwards.
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Going by the last link posted here. They are speculating 50% increase for the 3080 and 33% for the 3080Ti??? Looks like a 2080Ti is 14.2 Tflops.

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Going by the last link posted here. They are speculating 50% increase for the 3080 and 33% for the 3080Ti??? Looks like a 2080Ti is 14.2 Tflops.
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chances of that very slim to none


my 1080 ti strix 779

my 2080 ti strix 1349

almost a 75% price increase last time

a 10% price increase would put the 3080 ti strix very close to 1499
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chances of that very slim to none


my 1080 ti strix 779

my 2080 ti strix 1349

almost a 75% price increase last time

a 10% price increase would put the 3080 ti strix very close to 1499
I think he's talking about speed, not price increase of 50%/33%.
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I think he's talking about speed, not price increase of 50%/33%.
Yes, that's where I got my 50% figure from. I thought it was pretty clear, but Bill can't see anything but price in every single discussion.

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Yes, that's where I got my 50% figure from. I thought it was pretty clear, but Bill can't see anything but price in every single discussion.
the about 33% speed is a given for the ti it is the same as last time
and the same number they have been touting for months

price is the only thing we don't know for sure
other than they could not scam TSMC on 7nm so it will be more and i said about 10% more in price not 50%

and the 3080 non ti for anyone that has a 2080 ti is meaningless
but will come in at about 10% faster than the 2080 ti


but keep dreaming of sugar plums and lollipops and NV giving us a fair price

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but keep dreaming of sugar plums and lollipops and NV giving us a fair price
What are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about price whatsoever.

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Going by the last link posted here. They are speculating 50% increase for the 3080 and 33% for the 3080Ti??? Looks like a 2080Ti is 14.2 Tflops.
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Based on competitive market conditions we may see sugar plums and lollipops on pricing. History proves this when there is competition, company's fight to gain the customers' dollar by offering more value. It's like a perfect storm of gaming competition being forecast in the near future, which hopefully translates into sane pricing.
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If the 3080 is 33% faster than the 2080TI with RTX off, that will be incredibly impressive. That is a massive improvement over what we've seen the past 3 generations. The 3080TI could be assumed to be roughly 50-65% faster than the 2080TI then, before overclocking.

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I have serious doubts they would position the line-up like that. Then again, I suppose it's possible that they'll go back to the staggered release of 80 and 80 Ti. In that case the 3080 has to be a decent upgrade from the 2080 Ti, so that they can sell to the same people twice, six months apart. It could also be that they go first with the 3080 and hold the 3080 Ti back to counter Big Navi.

The only reason they released 2080 and 2080 Ti at the same time was that the 2080 wasn't even an upgrade from the 1080 Ti (well, RTX, but...), so they didn't really have much choice.
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If the 3080 is that much faster than the 2080TI, it will definitely be a staggered release. I'm thinking they'll wait for Big Navi to drop the 3080TI.
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If the 3080 is 33% faster than the 2080TI with RTX off, that will be incredibly impressive. That is a massive improvement over what we've seen the past 3 generations. The 3080TI could be assumed to be roughly 50-65% faster than the 2080TI then, before overclocking.

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https://wccftech.com/nividias-rtx-30...52-cuda-cores/

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by all this " wccftech speculation " .8 more TFLOPs is not going to make the 3080 non ti 33% faster than the 2080 ti
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GA102 - 84 SMs / 5376 CUDA cores / 12GB GDDR6 / 384-bit bus - 40% faster than RTX 2080 Ti
GA103 - 60 SMs / 3840 CUDA cores / 10GB GDDR6 / 320-bit bus - 10% faster than RTX 2080 Ti
GA104 - 48 SMs / 3072 CUDA cores / 8GB GDDR6 / 256-bit bus - 5% slower than RTX 2080 Ti
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Depends. It's not all about TFLOPS, as has been made obvious by AMDs continued failures to make a competitive GPU.
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Depends. It's not all about TFLOPS, as has been made obvious by AMDs continued failures to make a competitive GPU.
they were doing fine up to and including Fury X hitting a little faster than the non ti and below the ti but at a better price
when they put all their resources into Ryzen and that turned out very well i think they made the right call
but now they got the R&D cash to make a competitive GPU
hopefully as competitive as they are with Intel


and it maybe true when comparing AMD to NV
but not so much when comparing one NV gen to the last gen, RTX to RTX

and from all rumors so far it is the RTX side they put most of the improvements into


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there were the same impossible rumors last time of 50% to 75% for the ti with the 2080 ti and the 1080 ti and on and on

and we almost always get 35% ti to ti
and the non ti is the same or just a little faster than last gen ti

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They definitely were not doing fine. The Fury X might have put out sort of decent performance (still significantly slower), but it consumed crazy wattage and was a heat monster. That's not competitive. You roast Intel in every thread and they are at least very competitive in performance despite consuming more power. For some reason you don't see it that way when the shoe is on the other foot though..
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