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Old Jan 22, 2020, 12:18 PM   #601
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Old Jan 22, 2020, 12:55 PM   #602
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then I will be delayed till next year as the new consoles are around December
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Just downgrade the Xbox One version, no one is playing the game on that system anyways.

But nope, they will downgrade all versions to match because they of course need to maintain a visual parity across all platforms.
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Just downgrade the Xbox One version, no one is playing the game on that system anyways.

But nope, they will downgrade all versions to match because they of course need to maintain a visual parity across all platforms.

if they do I will cancel my pre order and may not buy it till it is 9.99 or less
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if they do I will cancel my pre order and may not buy it till it is 9.99 or less
Things like this is why you shouldn't be pre-ordering at all in the first place.
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Things like this is why you shouldn't be pre-ordering at all in the first place.
but games that have gone epic exclusive at the last minute outweigh that for a reason to pre order on steam

and I can always cancel before release
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No one wants downgraded boobies!! grrr
That aside This only helps people with AMD cards so they should be happy for for increased FPS but still mad about the delay.

I am broke for big new PC parts so I would be playing this on the same PC parts no matter when it comes out unless Lotto. So for me I am just mad about the delay. But I have so many games to catch up on. Witcher 3 is one of them I still have to finish. lol
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Things like this is why you shouldn't be pre-ordering at all in the first place.
If you pay them before they are finished, they just keep going.
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See, this **** right here is why I hate this. Consoles have always held games back... ALWAYS!!! I get that the developers want graphical parity for their whole game, but you know what? Tough ****... They should just downgrade for the consoles and leave it be for pc like it should be. Makes all of us suffer in the end and makes developers make stupid decisions that affect the way their original vision was planned to be. Pc's are more powerful they cost more so shouldn't we be given the very best and not have to conform to people who only pay half of what we pay and get a very similar visual experience? This is why there are the console vs pc wars, they are too similar vs the price point. In reality there really isn't a comparison it's just developers are forced by publishers to make it that way. It's only hurting the industry.
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Is the PC version really being downgraded though? It seems more like the delay is due to poor performance on the consoles thus requiring more work (if the rumors are to be believed). It's releasing at the same time on console and PC so the PC version gets delayed too.
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Is the PC version really being downgraded though? It seems more like the delay is due to poor performance on the consoles thus requiring more work (if the rumors are to be believed). It's releasing at the same time on console and PC so the PC version gets delayed too.
People are afraid of it because its happened repeatedly for a decade, and even witcher 3 had a downgrade. Though not as severe as some games. However people are also forgetting cdprojekt red said they wouldnt do that again.

Really though, no one knows.
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Is the PC version really being downgraded though? It seems more like the delay is due to poor performance on the consoles thus requiring more work (if the rumors are to be believed). It's releasing at the same time on console and PC so the PC version gets delayed too.
Wont know for sure until its released and we can compare to early build gameplay footage. But we all know how the industry works, as its been shown for years now. Multiplatform releases are pretty much required by the consoles to have visual parity for fairness, or something. If it turns out they cannot get the Xbox One version to satisfactory performance and need to dial back visual fidelity, they may also need to dial back some visual fidelity on the other versions to match it.

Personally I can see the reason of fairness across the Xbox and PlayStation, but across console vs PC it doesn't matter as much. I really don't see console and PC as the same market for various reasons. A lot of the console demographic does not even see a gaming PC as an option and it should be viewed differently in the industry. Unfortunately I don't think "fairness" across platforms is the only reason though. I think complexity in development is another factor as well, since I'm sure it makes things easier when all versions of the game are using the same quality assets, etc. It would likely greatly add to development time and costs to have different versions of their game with varying qualities. I have no insider info though, just what I believe its likely the reason.
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See, this **** right here is why I hate this. Consoles have always held games back... ALWAYS!!! I get that the developers want graphical parity for their whole game, but you know what? Tough ****... They should just downgrade for the consoles and leave it be for pc like it should be. Makes all of us suffer in the end and makes developers make stupid decisions that affect the way their original vision was planned to be. Pc's are more powerful they cost more so shouldn't we be given the very best and not have to conform to people who only pay half of what we pay and get a very similar visual experience? This is why there are the console vs pc wars, they are too similar vs the price point. In reality there really isn't a comparison it's just developers are forced by publishers to make it that way. It's only hurting the industry.
Least common denominator effect.

I gave up the fight for this years ago. For big market AAA titles, PCs will always be considered the red headed step child who happens to be a pirate.
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I agree with meteor. Not the same and will never be. My gf has been playing destiny 2 on her computer for months now and hasnt touched her xbox one x since. She finally gets it lol.
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but games that have gone epic exclusive at the last minute outweigh that for a reason to pre order on steam

and I can always cancel before release
Can I have an interest free loan? Since you seem to not have a problem handing them out........
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can you guarantee my games are not on epic
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it already got one



most of it maybe dlss and 1080p but there was some downgrade last year

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the one thing about a downgrade they can always tune it back up after release if it is consoles
and then sony with the ps5 may not want a downgrade
and some are saying ps5 release next month ……. not likely but ……….


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and yes it is most likely xbox needing the downgrade

but it very well could be NVidia and raytracing if a 2080 ti can't do it well even with crap dlss AT 1440P and 4K
as this comes hard on the " it will have RTX " announcement
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Early release footage is always to good to be true.
Running on SLI Titans or some crap in a best case cherry picked spot of the game to make it look its best.
This is nothing new.
How big the drop in visuals has always been the catch to real world gaming. Games that need to be on a Play Station or Xbox with limited texture space also can have an effect but then the PC can always get a path or ship with higher res textures anyways.
Not sure I buy blaming the actual game system but if the game needs to be AMD first and Nvidia 2nd then we have a problem. All that Nvidia tech can't be ignored for the sake of making the game run good on lower end AMD tech. But that is what I am more worried about because of the timing. The have to optimize for something and I am guessing it is the lowest coming monitor and since AMD does not have the Nvidia bells and whistles they will be skipping that for now and look to add it as a patch upgrade later.
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Early release footage is always to good to be true.
Running on SLI Titans or some crap in a best case cherry picked spot of the game to make it look its best.
This is nothing new.
How big the drop in visuals has always been the catch to real world gaming. Games that need to be on a Play Station or Xbox with limited texture space also can have an effect but then the PC can always get a path or ship with higher res textures anyways.
Not sure I buy blaming the actual game system but if the game needs to be AMD first and Nvidia 2nd then we have a problem. All that Nvidia tech can't be ignored for the sake of making the game run good on lower end AMD tech. But that is what I am more worried about because of the timing. The have to optimize for something and I am guessing it is the lowest coming monitor and since AMD does not have the Nvidia bells and whistles they will be skipping that for now and look to add it as a patch upgrade later.


the game has NV all over it they said it will have RTX just like witcher 3 had hairworks first
cd projekt red has always been pro NV over AMD
witcher 3 ran like crap at first on AMD

you may need two 2080 ti's to run it with RTX if they can get SLI working in it
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Seriously speaking do we think the price of the 2080ti's will have dropped by then?
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Seriously speaking do we think the price of the 2080ti's will have dropped by then?
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unless the new 3080 ti is out by then
but if it is everyone will want it and it will be the same or higher
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unless the new 3080 ti is out by then
but if it is everyone will want it and it will be the same or higher
As expensive as it was it might turn out to be a good value if that's the case.
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people who only pay half
Half? You could probably buy five PS4s for the cost of a high end video card. If you value the three tripleA games you get with a new PS4 at about 40 bucks each, you can effectively buy a brand new PS4 right now for 'effectively' less than 100 bucks.

nVidia, having no competition from ATI, raised the cost of video cards by 300% thus driving millions of gamers back to consoles, giving the console market sway, power and influence over developers.

PC gaming is healthier than ever but until there is some kind of price control over mainstream components it will always be at risk of losing huge portions of it's user base to other platforms.
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Half? You could probably buy five PS4s for the cost of a high end video card. If you value the three tripleA games you get with a new PS4 at about 40 bucks each, you can effectively buy a brand new PS4 right now for 'effectively' less than 100 bucks.

nVidia, having no competition from ATI, raised the cost of video cards by 300% thus driving millions of gamers back to consoles, giving the console market sway, power and influence over developers.

PC gaming is healthier than ever but until there is some kind of price control over mainstream components it will always be at risk of losing huge portions of it's user base to other platforms.
It was early in the morning when i wrote lol but yeah... waaaay more than half sorry.
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As expensive as it was it might turn out to be a good value if that's the case.
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it maybe two years old before the 3080 ti strix is out

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Half? You could probably buy five PS4s for the cost of a high end video card. If you value the three tripleA games you get with a new PS4 at about 40 bucks each, you can effectively buy a brand new PS4 right now for 'effectively' less than 100 bucks.

nVidia, having no competition from ATI, raised the cost of video cards by 300% thus driving millions of gamers back to consoles, giving the console market sway, power and influence over developers.

PC gaming is healthier than ever but until there is some kind of price control over mainstream components it will always be at risk of losing huge portions of it's user base to other platforms.
Millions of gamers back to consoles? Man that's some extreme exaggeration. The amount of gamers who buy anything even remotely related to high-end aren't in the millions to begin with.

They raised the cost of the flagship GPU by a ton, but the 2080 wasn't massively overpriced. The 2080 was MSRP $699, which is $50-100 more than what it should have been, but that's a far-cry from "300%". You have incredible GPUs in the $200-300 price bracket from both vendors right now, and that's where the market is. The 2060 and 5600XT are very good cards for the price.
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Nvidia's MSRP = a farking JOKE. In the past few years every one of their MSRPs for high end cards have never even been close to reality unless you were one of the 0.001% lucky enough to buy it straight from their website before they ran out of their very small stock. The remaining 99.99% has to buy from the typical vendors/retailers/websites where the prices were inflated drastically and never went back down to nvidia's recommended price.

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Nope. If it were an exaggeration then consoles wouldn't be the primary target platform for every single tripleA publisher/developer out there. If it were an exaggeration the PS4 wouldn't have recently crossed 100 million sold, (including 1 billion PS4 titles), by surpassing analyst projections at an alarming rate. IMO nVidia (and their partners) price hikes over the past few years are one of the primary factors keeping the console sale rate up this late in their life cycle.

Most "gamers", even PC gamers, are casual players who don't need all the fancy bells and whistles a high end PC provides. I'm willing to bet many of them said "1k for a video card? Why not just buy a PS4 instead?". Until ATI provides some competition, then I don't see the situation improving.
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Nvidia's MSRP = a farking JOKE. In the past few years every one of their MSRPs for high end cards have never even been close to reality unless you were one of the 0.001% lucky enough to buy it straight from their website before they ran out of their very small stock. The remaining 99.99% has to buy from the typical vendors/retailers/websites where the prices were inflated drastically and never went back down to nvidia's recommended price.

And it's about 750 to 800 bucks for a new one right now, which puts it $200 bucks more than what you think it should be worth.

Nope. If it were an exaggeration then consoles wouldn't be the primary target platform for every single tripleA publisher/developer out there. If it were an exaggeration the PS4 wouldn't have recently crossed 100 million sold, (including 1 billion PS4 titles), by surpassing analyst projections at an alarming rate. IMO nVidia (and their partners) price hikes over the past few years are one of the primary factors keeping the console sale rate up this late in their life cycle.

Most "gamers", even PC gamers, are casual players who don't need all the fancy bells and whistles a high end PC provides. I'm willing to bet many of them said "1k for a video card? Why not just buy a PS4 instead?". Until ATI provides some competition, then I don't see the situation improving.
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and since this year everyone is pushing 4k gaming they are soon going to need those 2080 ti's or something as fast or faster
all we can hope is AMD does match or beat the 2080 ti for cheaper

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