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Old Dec 10, 2019, 10:10 PM   #31
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I'll take a corolla over any brand foreign or domestic. These cars will last a long time with no issues. Thats why they are more expensive than any comparable car of other brands
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I would go Toyota or Honda if you want reliability, low maintenance and cheap parts and labor. Toyota would be cheaper than Honda. Nissan can eat a dick.

Also it you want American you can opt for Ford cars like Focus or Fiesta. Those are pretty good and possibly only American cars with good mileage.

I would still continue to hunt deals on Corollas.
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She literally bought a stick shift no ac no cruise sentra last time. Says she'd rather put her money in things that dont bleed it...
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People are making vast assumptions based on cars that haven't been made for years or making company wide judgements based on the worst cars of a generation that's long past.

Missing out on a lot of great cars by clutching your biases so tightly.
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Volvo is pretty solid and so are VW. Volvo's popularity has seemed to go up in the last few years; I notice a lot more of them on the road now, especially the SUV. They make some great vehicles.

I have no idea where you're getting this idea that VWs don't last, especially recent years as you said.
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Not so good with above average operating costs. Their reliability is average, nothing special and seems to be about the same as Nissan. They aren't what they used to be 30 years ago when they used to make solid cars (same as Nissan).

I wouldn't buy one for a used car anyway.
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Who is repairpal, and why should we trust them? I only glanced at the site, so I'm honestly not sure.

Even if a car was average reliability, I'm not sure how that makes it a problem or a terrible car to make any effort to steer people away.

What you're basically saying is, "Don't buy that car, it's terrible! It's only as reliable as everyhing else!". If you're on the hunt for the most reliable car, that's a little different. But it still doesn't make the one in question actually bad.
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Not so good with above average operating costs. Their reliability is average, nothing special and seems to be about the same as Nissan. They aren't what they used to be 30 years ago when they used to make solid cars (same as Nissan).

I wouldn't buy one for a used car anyway.
You're basing all of that off one website? I dunno man. The Jetta, Passat, and Golf have been fantastic in terms of value and reliability. You're dogging Nissan really hard, but the Altima was an extremely reliable vehicle in the 2000s into the following decade; though I haven't followed them in a few years as none of their vehicles interest me.

Volvo has slowly built up the S60 line into a very solid vehicle; I think it's still overpriced but they've continued to add feature after feature to the base model that's made it a more enticing offer.

VWs are very popular in my area and most of the guys I know don't have many issues. One buddy had issues with the DSG in his 2013 GTI, but that is the only person I know who's ran into issues..
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You're basing all of that off one website? I dunno man. The Jetta, Passat, and Golf have been fantastic in terms of value and reliability. You're dogging Nissan really hard, but the Altima was an extremely reliable vehicle in the 2000s into the following decade; though I haven't followed them in a few years as none of their vehicles interest me.

Volvo has slowly built up the S60 line into a very solid vehicle; I think it's still overpriced but they've continued to add feature after feature to the base model that's made it a more enticing offer.

VWs are very popular in my area and most of the guys I know don't have many issues. One buddy had issues with the DSG in his 2013 GTI, but that is the only person I know who's ran into issues..
Oh there are far more than just one website, there are youtube videos, other sites, articles, as well as individual reports. I wouldn't want to plunk down 10k+ and then end up in the shop after a year. Just because a car is popular doesn't mean it's good. Nissans were reliable, you are absolutely right but not anymore. Not since french company renault bought them. They have nasty tranny problems now.

I see Nissans, chevys, dodge, and ford all over the place around here. They are immensely popular but their reliability track record is poo (except for ford and chevy trucks, they seem to be ok).

As for the VW's, here's another;

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For much of the past decade, Volkswagen has been plagued with powertrain reliability issues in the high-volume four- and five-cylinder engines that power Passat, Jettas, and other VW products, according to Consumer Reports.
Even though VW has made significant strides over the past few years in terms of quality, the emissions scandal has all but wiped out any positive sentiment the automaker may have engendered with the public.
There seems to be a stigma that lingers in the minds of mass-market shoppers who place a premium on reliability. This stigma is further enforced by publications like JD Power's 2016 vehicle dependability survey, where VW scored below industry average.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...agen-vw-2016-8

Consumer reports is pretty much the gold standard on judging vehicle reliability. When they caution somebody about a vehicles reliability, it's probably a good idea to take note.
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Who is repairpal, and why should we trust them? I only glanced at the site, so I'm honestly not sure.

Even if a car was average reliability, I'm not sure how that makes it a problem or a terrible car to make any effort to steer people away.

What you're basically saying is, "Don't buy that car, it's terrible! It's only as reliable as everyhing else!". If you're on the hunt for the most reliable car, that's a little different. But it still doesn't make the one in question actually bad.
I am on the hunt for the most reliable, but I think I found it. 2014 Corolla with 75k miles (bought extended warranty and took it to mechanic for a pre-purchase screening just in case). Car is in great condition, just needs tranny flushed and brake fluid changed.
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Missing out on a lot of great cars by clutching your biases so tightly.
HE just wants a car that is reliable and he doesn't have to think about anything going on with it.

Since Corolla is the gold standard for reliability (for good reason) that'll always be the top option for him.

Theres always suggestions for other cars, usually here on rage its either MOAR POWERS or GERMANS FTW!!! because the enthusiast group prefers something more than just Vanilla. Corolla is never suggested because its the most vanilla of all flavours, but it also happens to be the car that 99% of the time will never unexpected crap the bed on you.
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HE just wants a car that is reliable and he doesn't have to think about anything going on with it.

Since Corolla is the gold standard for reliability (for good reason) that'll always be the top option for him.

Theres always suggestions for other cars, usually here on rage its either MOAR POWERS or GERMANS FTW!!! because the enthusiast group prefers something more than just Vanilla. Corolla is never suggested because its the most vanilla of all flavours, but it also happens to be the car that 99% of the time will never unexpected crap the bed on you.
What does any of that have to do with the quote of mine you posted?
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HE just wants a car that is reliable and he doesn't have to think about anything going on with it.

Since Corolla is the gold standard for reliability (for good reason) that'll always be the top option for him.

Theres always suggestions for other cars, usually here on rage its either MOAR POWERS or GERMANS FTW!!! because the enthusiast group prefers something more than just Vanilla. Corolla is never suggested because its the most vanilla of all flavours, but it also happens to be the car that 99% of the time will never unexpected crap the bed on you.
This. I know other cars are more powerful, more fun, more exciting (and more expensive). I just wanted something I don't have to **** with much and just maintain and something that won't guzzle gas.
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Ive known people with Sonatas and Elantras and they had probs. Mechanical mostly so expensive.
My Sonata Hybrid gave me zero issues.
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But that's what we're saying -- VW had issues with the drivetrain in past years; they've fixed that, the Golf is wildly reliable and the TDI's gas mileage is almost untouchable. Only reason they get hammered now is because of that whole emissions fiasco, which I couldn't care less about (laughs in catless).

Writing off entire brands based off of things that aren't really true anymore limits your scope and the options available to you, but that's your prerogative I suppose.
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I like volks they have a Tiguan with a ~120hp electric hybrid coming out soon. As for their cars did they fix the door handle thing where they all broke after a few years of use...? My last was a 1991 Jetta turbo diesel. Great gas mileage and few issues other than door handles and the leaky ps.
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My buddies 98 Passat TDI has that damn door handle problem but that thing is bullet proof. He beats the **** out of it every day and it's still chugging along like a tractor with over 200k miles on it.
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Ended up going with the corolla in the original pictures after all. There weren't any other corollas in that price range under 100k miles and I bought the extended warranty to cover me for 5 years or 50k miles with my credit union (just in case).

Other than the touch screen being out of calibration (inputs are off), everything else seems hunky-dory so far!

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My sis THE DOCTOR is stuck on bare bone Sentras. Shes had good luck with them. Better than the civic she had before the first of 2 long lived sentras. 10+ years each. But I think the last one she got wasnt made in Old Mexico so...

She literally bought a stick shift no ac no cruise sentra last time. Says she'd rather put her money in things that dont bleed it...
Curiously my sister has had great luck with Sentras too, granted they were older sentras (2003 and more recently 2012). I don't know enough about nissans reliability short of reading recall reports and cvt problems. Perhaps they aren't that bad? Maybe the Altimas are garbage but the Sentras are ok? I don't know, but I couldn't risk it.
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Ended up going with the corolla in the original pictures after all. There weren't any other corollas in that price range under 100k miles and I bought the extended warranty to cover me for 5 years or 50k miles with my credit union (just in case).

Other than the touch screen being out of calibration (inputs are off), everything else seems hunky-dory so far!

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Congrats on the car!

But all this bashing on other vehicles and wanting the most reliable car that will never have an issue you bought one with the touch screen already broken?
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Congrats on the car!

But all this bashing on other vehicles and wanting the most reliable car that will never have an issue you bought one with the touch screen already broken?
I'm not too worried about the touch screen because I was probably going to replace it anyway (crutchfield for like $150). If that's all I have to deal with then I'm fine.
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There's some real irony with the most reliable vehicle ... And you bought it broken lol

God speed doing a headunit. Literally the most aids ****ing job I've done on my Subaru .. by far.
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There's some real irony with the most reliable vehicle ... And you bought it broken lol

God speed doing a headunit. Literally the most aids ****ing job I've done on my Subaru .. by far.
Looks pretty straightforward from youtube videos. I'm sure I can hack it. Have no idea how it is in a Subaru though so can't comment on that. I know things were WAAAAY over complicated on my 2004 Mazda 6. For example; changing a head light in the car involved removing either the bumper or the rain guards behind the wheel....just to change a ****ing headlight lmao so I'm not sure if a Subaru involves similar nightmares or not. Toyota uses the KISS philosophy so I should be fine. The default speakers sound like ass anyway so the change was going to happen one way or the other.
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What made it complicated was adding in an amp. Still, even with crutchfield harnesses ... wiring ****ing nightmare.
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Definitely depends on the car. The BRZ was an absolute breeze, so are the C5 Vettes. Never added an amp though.

The latest cars are all a pain in the ass for anything aftermarket, I'd bet. The majority of vehicle systems are tied in with the infotainment system. Not much I can do at all with the R. The system in there is "good enough". Even my old Kenwood unit is better than what's in the car, but it can't tie into all the vehicle electronics.
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I love the Fender setup. Did you get the premium audio?
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Yep, that's what I have as well. Pretty much why it's good enough for me. Definitely the best OEM audio system I've ever had by quite a bit. Hell, it's the first sub I've ever had in a car.
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Yep, that's what I have as well. Pretty much why it's good enough for me. Definitely the best OEM audio system I've ever had by quite a bit. Hell, it's the first sub I've ever had in a car.
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So far so good. I'm loving the gas mileage this thing gets, (32mpg in city driving, haven't done much hwy yet). It's only costing me $10-15 bucks a week to re-fill from half a tank after my driving 20 miles a day to work. On my previous Pontiac G6 GT, I was spending close to $30 a week so I've already cut that in half. I'm going to change out the tranny fluid soon just for safety.

Did my first mod on the car lastnight, changed out the puny horn for some Hella high-low tones. Now even trucks will hear me if they try to merge while I'm there.
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