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Old Sep 7, 2018, 07:17 AM   #61
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#2. To point #1, this is a recurring theme with China. You'd notice with the Martian, a movie backed heavily by Chinese investors, China had to "help the US" with their super secret rocket technology in order to save Matt Damon. Even though that part of the story made no sense whatsoever, it was done to appease a wider Chinese audience.
Except.... you're wrong. That same cooperation existed in the book, although a bit less easily than in the movie IIRC. That part was one of the ones that I always felt a bit off and dues ex machina in a way since it seemed to be almost like:

NASA: "Oh no, our supply rocket blew up and we need a new rocket that is capable of going a very large distance that no other country has or he dies"

is immediately followed up via the

China: "Oh, hai guys, I have exactly what you need, it is prepping for a launch, and has been a massive secret this entire time. Sorry!"

NASA: "Oh you guys!"

China and NASA are explicitly banned from cooperation, so I guess there is that to explain away some of the "secrecy", but it seems almost too perfect and serendipitous. The only real change from the book that I remember is that it seemed they were a bit more hesitant to give up their rocket due to the shot in the dark nature of the rescue vs. the science they could do with the probe in the book than in the movie where it seemed they were ready to just give them the keys right away, but given the time constraints of a movie, you often cut a lot of the nuance from a film to get to the end. The book is a great read for those so inclined, and I guess I can forgive him for adding in a bit more drama on the will they or won't they part.
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Old Sep 7, 2018, 07:37 AM   #62
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Apollo 18? Apollo 17 was the final lunar mission in 1972. Apollo 18 - 20 were planned but never happened because the program was cancelled.

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But hey, let us not forget that while you bemoan about how Hollywood is bending over backwards for that market, you're also asking them to simultaneously consider the 'delicate' sensibilities of those state side who need to see a flag plastered all over the place like some Michael Bay movie barfed into another equally worse Michael Bay movie that then **** into the mouth of the team who designs the Call of Duty campaigns with all of their red, white and blue awesomeness with such an overly large boner for America that one does not need to actually 'fly' to the moon, they simply could tight rope on top if it. And if you're concerned about whether or not that penis is strong enough to be load bearing for such a journey, you forget that what fills all of those engorged crevices is freedom.
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Old Sep 7, 2018, 07:44 AM   #63
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Except.... you're wrong. That same cooperation existed in the book, although a bit less easily than in the movie IIRC. That part was one of the ones that I always felt a bit off and dues ex machina in a way since it seemed to be almost like:

NASA: "Oh no, our supply rocket blew up and we need a new rocket that is capable of going a very large distance that no other country has or he dies"

is immediately followed up via the

China: "Oh, hai guys, I have exactly what you need, it is prepping for a launch, and has been a massive secret this entire time. Sorry!"

NASA: "Oh you guys!"

China and NASA are explicitly banned from cooperation, so I guess there is that to explain away some of the "secrecy", but it seems almost too perfect and serendipitous. The only real change from the book that I remember is that it seemed they were a bit more hesitant to give up their rocket due to the shot in the dark nature of the rescue vs. the science they could do with the probe in the book than in the movie where it seemed they were ready to just give them the keys right away, but given the time constraints of a movie, you often cut a lot of the nuance from a film to get to the end. The book is a great read for those so inclined, and I guess I can forgive him for adding in a bit more drama on the will they or won't they part.
You said I was wrong, but pretty much proved my point. The whole topic of Chinese influence on Hollywood movies is another thread topic altogether. Hollywood will change its script to penetrate that massive chinese market, especially when Chinese investment is involved. You only have to look at the last Transformers movie to see how they bent over backwards for the Chinese market.
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But hey, let us not forget that while you bemoan about how Hollywood is bending over backwards for that market, you're also asking them to simultaneously consider the 'delicate' sensibilities of those state side who need to see a flag plastered all over the place like some Michael Bay movie barfed into another equally worse Michael Bay movie that then **** into the mouth of the team who designs the Call of Duty campaigns with all of their red, white and blue awesomeness with such an overly large boner for America that one does not need to actually 'fly' to the moon, they simply could tight rope on top if it. And if you're concerned about whether or not that penis is strong enough to be load bearing for such a journey, you forget that what fills all of those engorged crevices is freedom.
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Old Sep 7, 2018, 09:46 AM   #64
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You said I was wrong, but pretty much proved my point. The whole topic of Chinese influence on Hollywood movies is another thread topic altogether. Hollywood will change its script to penetrate that massive chinese market, especially when Chinese investment is involved. You only have to look at the last Transformers movie to see how they bent over backwards for the Chinese market.
No, I didn't. You acted like the reason the Chinese space program was there was to sell tickets in China and secure funding.... but it was in the book which is probably not even for sale in China at this point...

One could argue that their inclusion in the book as a reason for being the "savior" is that the one everything thinks should be there (aka: Russia) is pretty much only doing their greatest hits at this point as they financially fall into a spot where they cannot invest what is needed to remain competitive. And, give another decade or two (IIRC the movie and book are set in the 2030-2040....) so what will it look like then? China is the emerging market, so it just makes sense that he would set them there....

That doesn't help you nor hurt me, it is just his fictional take on the way things are going.

Yet, through all of your hand waving, you are still wrong. China as the person that they work with was in the book, long before the script was written or cameras started to roll....

As far as things looking to do well in China, are you surprised? Billions of untapped people to fleece for more money, yeah, every single business is going to just bypass that.... no? But hey, let us not forget that while you bemoan about how Hollywood is bending over backwards for that market, you're also asking them to simultaneously consider the 'delicate' sensibilities of those state side who need to see a flag plastered all over the place like some Michael Bay movie barfed into another equally worse Michael Bay movie that then **** into the mouth of the team who designs the Call of Duty campaigns with all of their red, white and blue awesomeness with such an overly large boner for America that one does not need to actually 'fly' to the moon, they simply could tight rope on top if it. And if you're concerned about whether or not that penis is strong enough to be load bearing for such a journey, you forget that what fills all of those engorged crevices is freedom.
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No, I didn't. You acted like the reason the Chinese space program was there was to sell tickets in China and secure funding.... but it was in the book which is probably not even for sale in China at this point...
I said the role portrayed by China in the movie was a deliberate script change to pander to the Chinese market. You even admitted yourself China's role in the book was minor, Hollywood saw an opportunity and took it.

Is it wrong? Of course not, the goal is to make money, nothing more. But call a spade a spade...

You act as if this is my sole opinion. It isn't. Stephen Colbert talked about The Martian specifically as yet another attempt of Hollywood to "pander" to the Chinese market by inflating China's role in the movie.

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But hey, let us not forget that while you bemoan about how Hollywood is bending over backwards for that market, you're also asking them to simultaneously consider the 'delicate' sensibilities of those state side who need to see a flag plastered all over the place like some Michael Bay movie barfed into another equally worse Michael Bay movie that then **** into the mouth of the team who designs the Call of Duty campaigns with all of their red, white and blue awesomeness with such an overly large boner for America that one does not need to actually 'fly' to the moon, they simply could tight rope on top if it. And if you're concerned about whether or not that penis is strong enough to be load bearing for such a journey, you forget that what fills all of those engorged crevices is freedom.
Ironically that read like a Michael Bay movie.
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I said the role portrayed by China in the movie was a deliberate script change to pander to the Chinese market. You even admitted yourself China's role in the book was minor, Hollywood saw an opportunity and took it.

Is it wrong? Of course not, the goal is to make money, nothing more. But call a spade a spade...

You act as if this is my sole opinion. It isn't. Stephen Colbert talked about The Martian specifically as yet another attempt of Hollywood to "pander" to the Chinese market by inflating China's role in the movie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fc277741c958




Ironically that read like a Michael Bay movie.
The role China played in the book vs. the movie is actually pretty much the same either way. The only real difference is like most book to movie adaptations where you have to forego nuance and character development because a book does not have a real "time" constraint like film does. The Chinese part of the story is about what, 5 minutes (if that) of actual screen time in the movie vs. an untold number of pages that get into the idea that they were somewhat conflicted, for the lack of a better word. The chance of successfully saving him was low, and the cost in doing so would be pretty high. To give up that amount of money and potentially your one shot at doing your life's worth of research and experiments that benefit all of mankind vs. saving the hide of one space jockey.... one has to rightfully weigh their options.

If anything, just from a story point, you'd have to be careful when writing the screen play to not artificially inflate that into a quasi villainous role... if an entire movie is about people moving heaven and earth to save someone stranded on Mars, and the people who have the only way to do it, are even the slightest tepid on it, the audience might think of them as antagonists despite the logic in their trepidation. A mission with .00001% of success vs. whatever their original area of study and what that could do for mankind.... Now, make them a foreigner; how do you think some people would respond?

I'd seriously recommend you read the book because if you did you'd realize how wrong you have been for the last couple of replies.
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I've seen a crappy conspiracy/horror film with that name, but no such documentary. Documentaries, for those who are unaware, are based on historical facts.
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I've seen a crappy conspiracy/horror film with that name, but no such documentary. Documentaries, for those who are unaware, are based on historical facts.
You had no idea what I was referring to until you looked it up, didn't you?

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So, you'll remove my posts which state that Hollywood wants to make a profit by releasing the movie in China, but you'll leave that BS that Talon put up there? Nice to know I can bash straight, white males and Christians in the Off Topic forum.
Oh good lord I didn't see it

Next time report the post rather than crying about it in public, I don't read every post and I don't read minds either. Keep up this BS though and you'll be on vacation.
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Oh good lord I didn't see it

Next time report the post rather than crying about it in public, I don't read every post and I don't read minds either. Keep up this BS though and you'll be on vacation.
You know what? I should have just reported it, but the last two times I reported something, nothing was done. In retrospect, I let the troll bait me. That's on me.

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You know what? I should have just reported it, but the last two times I reported something, nothing was done. In retrospect, I let the troll bait me. That's on me.

This board has private messages, but you felt the need to cuss me out on Facebook. That's on YOU. Don't worry about the vacation, I'm leaving on my own accord. For those of y'all I still consider friends, y'all take care.
F**k, man, don't leave angry....i don't know if you'd read this, but I wasn't trying to troll anyone or say anything to get anyone banned (temp or otherwise) or drive anyone away.

Surely, something can be worked out; FWIW, I like having you here.
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FYI I just looked that up - your last two post reports were in October 2017 and in July 2015; and bitterman replied to one & swingline the other. And both of those were long before I was a mod here; so really you have no good excuse to not report posts you have a problem with. I would have handled it if you did, but you didn't.
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At the end of the day this is a movie that will come and go. Some will like it, some will not, and then we move on. No need to go to extreme's over such a pointless argument. PnR will always be PnR....let's keep our movie talk about the movies and whether they will give us enjoyment and let us relax for a couple of hours.

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Thinking about doing a Kickstarter for a movie named "The Fist" staring Miko Sinz and my.... well you get the idea. Who wants to invest? You will get a hand signed copy. lol
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 07:25 AM   #82
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And now we also have "The First" from Hulu via the BBC and starring Sean Penn. It's about a fictional mission to Mars. What a novel idea.
I'm really not a Sean Penn fan, but that looks pretty good.
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Well he really seemed to like it. His review got me excite again to see it.
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After that review I'm rather eager to see this as well. Not in theaters though because I just don't like them.
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Regardless of reviews I am planning to see this at my local IMAX, hopefully the first weekend.

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