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Old Jan 7, 2018, 02:59 PM   #151
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****. Literally just bought a 960 pro.
Same for me (picked it up during Black Friday). Aaaaaaaaaaand literally just picked up an 8700K right before New Year's... FML.
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 03:49 PM   #152
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The new bios ASUS released for my board a few days ago has the micro fixes in it. This was just as the issue was made public so I’m fully patched up now until they release further changes.
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 03:50 PM   #153
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Metroidfox: thanks for sharing that. I've got some compiling tomorrow to do at work, I'll try and see if I can share some numbers.
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 05:21 PM   #154
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The new bios ASUS released for my board a few days ago has the micro fixes in it. This was just as the issue was made public so I’m fully patched up now until they release further changes.
Intel hasn't made the Microcode public yet, it won't until January 9th. The latest bios update was just a coincidence that it released at the same time. We'll be updating again come Tuesday.... And that's if new bios' come out the same day.
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Old Jan 7, 2018, 05:24 PM   #155
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The new bios ASUS released for my board a few days ago has the micro fixes in it. This was just as the issue was made public so I’m fully patched up now until they release further changes.

Latest one for the MSI gaming pro carbon AC for thread ripper has a mid November 2017 release date and no mention about this issue, so i doubt there's any fixes for this yet on their end, but i downloaded and saved it anyways.
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Intel hasn't made the Microcode public yet, it won't until January 9th. The latest bios update was just a coincidence that it released at the same time. We'll be updating again come Tuesday.... And that's if new bios' come out the same day.
Not Intel, ASUS...Cos in the video I posted the BIOS update (from ASUS) he states has the Micro code update across the Z370 boards. The update from ASUS was released 2nd January.

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How AMD designed the speculative execution function and/or out of order execution features of their chips is the difference in if a BIOS update will be needed to further mitigate the problem.....
Looks like there is a microcode update for AMD with regard to Spectre.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...ediction-Still
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Looks like there is a microcode update for AMD with regard to Spectre.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...ediction-Still

Seems like it, specifically for the first variant of Spectre which seems to be the really dangerous one compared to the meltdown virus itself....Should be an interesting next few weeks to say the least.
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Old Jan 8, 2018, 07:00 AM   #159
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Not Intel, ASUS...Cos in the video I posted the BIOS update (from ASUS) he states has the Micro code update across the Z370 boards. The update from ASUS was released 2nd January.

2:19 mark

He said the bios update was released 2 days prior on the 4th but the latest bios is on the 2nd. It hasn't been updated yet unless Asus sent it to him, they haven't gone live yet. Intel just started rolling out the microcode on Friday. So the bios update on the 2nd wouldn't have it. That's when we found out about the issue.

What's weird is the bios he has listed in his video when it shows him flashing doesn't exist 0407 isn't a bios listed for the TUF Gaming neither is the 0606 he is updating too: Asus lists the following:

1003 Release Jan 2, 2018
0802 Release Nov 17, 2017
0403 Original Release Bios Oct 3, 2017.

The guy from Hardware Unbox is an idiot. My guess he's lieing in the video to get hits on his youtube channel.

We'll probably get a bios sometime this week.

But they have the FORMULA now instock and I want that OLED display.
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He said the bios update was released 2 days prior on the 4th but the latest bios is on the 2nd. It hasn't been updated yet unless Asus sent it to him, they haven't gone live yet. Intel just started rolling out the microcode on Friday. So the bios update on the 2nd wouldn't have it. That's when we found out about the issue.

What's weird is the bios he has listed in his video when it shows him flashing doesn't exist 0407 isn't a bios listed for the TUF Gaming neither is the 0606 he is updating too: Asus lists the following:

1003 Release Jan 2, 2018
0802 Release Nov 17, 2017
0403 Original Release Bios Oct 3, 2017.

The guy from Hardware Unbox is an idiot. My guess he's lieing in the video to get hits on his youtube channel.

We'll probably get a bios sometime this week.

But they have the FORMULA now instock and I want that OLED display.
The latest bios released for the mother board he is using was 01/04/2018 version 0606.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/

It states microcode update in the description.


Second, I think you are misunderstanding what Intel is saying about releasing the microcode 01/09/2018. You are taking it as releasing it to venders, however I think what they mean is releasing microcode updates for their own produced boards. All other vendors already have the microcode and are working on their own bios updates.
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Now that I think about it, it could be an interesting break for AMD since their 12nm generation Ryzen's are already sampling and will be released starting in April, and even assuming that there's no IPC enhancements at all ( doubt it but it's possible ), the lower power requirements versus the existing 14nm one means higher default clock speeds and potential overclocks too, which when combined with the meltdown and spectre bugs for Intel reducing performance even if by just a few percentage points, might make the upcoming performance match up a little bit closer than Intel would like.


Add the second generation thread ripper in the second half of this year, which I'm hoping they pull a new 24 core / 48 thread version at the high end, seriously laying the smackdown on Intel's 18 core high end for X299 setups, and I'd happily pay 1500$ for said processor since it's a huge amount of CPU power for the money paid.


Add the 12 nm process also being applied to Vega, and AMD has a busy year indeed.....
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I dont think vega is getting 12nm. They are delaying navi and putting vega on 7nm in H2 for pro users and in early 2019 for desktops.
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The latest bios released for the mother board he is using was 01/04/2018 version 0606.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/

It states microcode update in the description.


Second, I think you are misunderstanding what Intel is saying about releasing the microcode 01/09/2018. You are taking it as releasing it to venders, however I think what they mean is releasing microcode updates for their own produced boards. All other vendors already have the microcode and are working on their own bios updates.
That bios wasn't there this morning when I responded to Mega, him and I will have to do the update again....

EDIT:

Can't the bios still isn't listed for the Maximus X Hero.

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboa...HelpDesk_BIOS/

They are probably loading them to the servers now.

I am thinking I will secure erase and re-install Windows tomorrow and see if there is a off chance that something might just be screwed durring the bios update process and load setup defaults + Secure Erase + Re-install might not see a drastic drop in IO performance.
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I dont think vega is getting 12nm. They are delaying navi and putting vega on 7nm in H2 for pro users and in early 2019 for desktops.

That the next generation instinct card which isn't even aimed for gaming but give Volta something to think about for AI processing workloads.
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What's weird is the bios he has listed in his video when it shows him flashing doesn't exist 0407 isn't a bios listed for the TUF Gaming neither is the 0606 he is updating too: Asus lists the following:

1003 Release Jan 2, 2018
0802 Release Nov 17, 2017
0403 Original Release Bios Oct 3, 2017.
0407 is the release bios for the TUF z370 PLUS.
0606 was released on the 4th with microcode update.

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The guy from Hardware Unbox is an idiot. My guess he's lieing in the video to get hits on his youtube channel.


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ASUS motherboard and fixed bios list for x299, z370, z270:




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That the next generation instinct card which isn't even aimed for gaming but give Volta something to think about for AI processing workloads.
Wonder if they need to do that leap from 12nm to 7nm in order to add tensor cores...
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Wonder if they need to do that leap from 12nm to 7nm in order to add tensor cores...
Honestly the whole 7nm and even 12 nm issue in being over hyped in that neither TSMC's or Global's processes have all the chip built using it.....Only the easiest parts within the chips are done with it, while the hardest parts remain at 14nm ( global ) or 16nm ( TSMC)......The same will apply to the 7nm process as well.....Easiest parts are done with it first.


Intel's 10nm process is already a year later since they're the only ones doing the entire chip with the same process, and it really is being a pain in the ass despite the billions spent and having the absolute cutting edge factories in the industry.....


The fab process limits using silicon are aproaching fast basically....
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He said the bios update was released 2 days prior on the 4th but the latest bios is on the 2nd. It hasn't been updated yet unless Asus sent it to him, they haven't gone live yet. Intel just started rolling out the microcode on Friday. So the bios update on the 2nd wouldn't have it. That's when we found out about the issue.

What's weird is the bios he has listed in his video when it shows him flashing doesn't exist 0407 isn't a bios listed for the TUF Gaming neither is the 0606 he is updating too: Asus lists the following:

1003 Release Jan 2, 2018
0802 Release Nov 17, 2017
0403 Original Release Bios Oct 3, 2017.

The guy from Hardware Unbox is an idiot. My guess he's lieing in the video to get hits on his youtube channel.

We'll probably get a bios sometime this week.

But they have the FORMULA now instock and I want that OLED display.
So, as I was saying, I already installed the microcode BIOS fix
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Seems that Intel's current CEO dumped 39 million $ of Intel stock just before the news broke out of the meltdown and spectre exploits, keeping only the minimum required:


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...tre,36280.html


Article states that the impact on desktop users should be minimal, but both ARM and Nvidia's own CPU's are just as affected as Intel's, with AMD's chips being less affected by the issue, and the potential lawsuits from those running databases or web services could climb into the billions... Ouch.
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Seems that Intel's current CEO dumped 39 million $ of Intel stock just before the news broke out of the meltdown and spectre exploits, keeping only the minimum required:


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...tre,36280.html


Article states that the impact on desktop users should be minimal, but both ARM and Nvidia's own CPU's are just as affected as Intel's, with AMD's chips being less affected by the issue, and the potential lawsuits from those running databases or web services could climb into the billions... Ouch.

That was posted some pages ago with CEO story.I am curious which is Nvidia CPU ?
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Old Jan 9, 2018, 01:30 PM   #172
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That was posted some pages ago with CEO story.I am curious which is Nvidia CPU ?

Arm based design for their Shield consoles, and anywhere else they use it on.......They bought an ARM licence several years ago, and have been developing their own designs for quite a while now
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Seems that Intel's current CEO dumped 39 million $ of Intel stock just before the news broke out of the meltdown and spectre exploits, keeping only the minimum required:


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...tre,36280.html


Article states that the impact on desktop users should be minimal, but both ARM and Nvidia's own CPU's are just as affected as Intel's, with AMD's chips being less affected by the issue, and the potential lawsuits from those running databases or web services could climb into the billions... Ouch.
I have to say, I find it amusing that the companies with the largest R&D budget, are also the ones effected the most by this due to their flawed design.. Yet the company with the smallest R&D budget not effected nearly as much becasue their design is less flawed, which in my book makes it a better design over all.
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Microsoft’s statement suggests slowdowns could be more substantial than Intel previously indicated.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...w-some-servers


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PCs running Windows 10 and sold since 2016 will face slowdowns of less than 10 percent, which Microsoft said will probably not be noticeable to users. Customers with older Windows 10 PCs will notice some slowness because those machines contain older chips. Machines running Windows 7 and Windows 8 from 2015 or earlier will be the most affected with users noticing a decrease in system performance, Microsoft said.
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I'm opting out of the update. (and Microsoft has halted the updates for ALL AMD systems for now)
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PCs running Windows 10 and sold since 2016 will face slowdowns of less than 10 percent, which Microsoft said will probably not be noticeable to users. Customers with older Windows 10 PCs will notice some slowness because those machines contain older chips. Machines running Windows 7 and Windows 8 from 2015 or earlier will be the most affected with users noticing a decrease in system performance, Microsoft said.


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I got no bios update for my mobo. What gives?
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Because you don't own the ROG strix X99 gaming or ROG rampage V edition 10 motherboards. This is why we always say to spend a little more on your hardware and not cheap out.
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According to this list, it seems that the Core series and later are affected (starting with the 45mm i series).
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60411...own/index.html

My desktop has the i7 6700K on the MSI Gaming M3 Z170a motherboard which I am expecting a firmware update. However, my laptop is 5 years old running an i5 3317u and is no longer getting driver and bios updates. Also my old system is a Q9400 (did not see any Core 2 cpus on the list).

Does this mean the Core 2 Duo and Quad are OK or are they also affected and will not get the patch?

I guess this means my laptop and old desktop are just as unsafe as running a desktop with Windows XP?
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