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Old Nov 2, 2010, 04:49 PM   #181
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It's all better now. The culprit must have been something the data for Oct. 31 or Nov. 1.
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Old Apr 20, 2011, 06:45 PM   #182
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Old Apr 21, 2011, 07:34 AM   #183
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Is it down again?
No, Just downloaded weekly file, but have seen some weeks have been unresponsive or very slow to download.

Don't use this machine very often, close to 10 years old, and still plodding on.

Can't say my win7 computers produce any better viewing, but WMC is good and is automated, technology moves on.
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I just grabbed my weekly listings a few days early... No problems. But I have to say, I've lost four or five channels from the list over the past year. That's a drag.
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I haven’t logged in here or updated my Guide Plus since September 2010 – I did both yesterday, and I made a note to come back to this thread as I still had questions. I just got sidetracked. I also re-read the entire thread and grabbed a lot more info that I didn’t catch before (didn’t know several functions were removed from later versions). I am getting back to this:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...&postcount=175
And if I haven’t stated it before: I don’t have a flat screen, satellite, digital cable or HD anything. I've got a good working television with wood grain and dials on it and analog cable, five VCRs and two DVD players. Both computers I have run on 32-bit XP. I’m going to answer DA1745’s questions here as best as I can (thanks for your patience as always):
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...&postcount=176

The old computer I used ATI/Gemstar on was given to me with the program on it with its CD and booklet. I was running Windows 98 and used it from 2001-2005. It was later reformatted with XP Pro and used by another family member from 2005-2009. The ATI software was never reinstalled when XP was put on because I wasn’t using the machine anymore but the ATI card remained inside as it was the primary graphics card for this computer – it is a 32MB AIW Radeon 7200. I Everest’d this machine and also got “7200 AGP” and “Radeon ATI DDR” so I’m not sure what the official title is. The booklet says ATI MMC 7 (I can’t find what version Guide Plus) and is copyrighted 2000. I guess this software would not work with Windows XP because of its age?

The feature I lost with my newer software is what the old booklet called TV-on-Demand where I could either have a live TV feed or TV-on-Demand with a click of an icon. This was a huge blow because I always used that feature for scrolling back, pausing, and making screens. I didn’t discover this right away as when I got my new computer it was a year or two before I wanted to make screens and ‘roll back logged TV’ again…then I realized, I couldn’t. You can still make screens but it is pointless because you can’t pause the TV. I can’t recall this with my old software, but with the newer stuff whenever I played a file in File Player it would only let me take a screen if the file was playing. When I paused it, the icon for taking a screen would change color and not work, again a huge blow because I need to pause video in order to capture screens! Most of these files were recorded using the ATI TV. I could always pause/screenshot with the TV-on-Demand on the old computer. Each way, I’m screwed for making screenshots.

The new computer I got in 2005 and has XP Home. I bought the then current ATI TV Wonder Pro at Best Buy. Instead of getting a nice instruction booklet it was all files on the disk…and I failed to ever read these until today, as I always used the book from the old software because at the time I thought “its all the exact same”. Since I use an Intel Graphics card I can’t find with Everest the exact ATI card model and it doesn’t say on the box (copyrighted 2003) – where can I find this info? I have always used the ATI MMC 8.2 and Guide Plus 1.0.0.44 that came on the disk. As stated, reading through the MMC guide now on the disk; it has no mention of TV-on-Demand anywhere. I wish I had realized this six years ago but it was years later I used the software and realized I didn’t have this function anymore – when/why did they remove it? And as stated above, can’t take screens when putting a video on pause in the File Player.

So I updated the Guide Plus for the first time in seven months. The first time I tried it and lost the connection half way, but it worked on the second try. More channels were lost/moved from what I posted here. This has to do with the move to digital and analog signals slowly being replaced. In Canada the analog shut off is August 31, 2011 – will Guide Plus then be useless?

Still missing Channel 3, CIII, Global
Lost Channel 9, A-Lon (however Channel 21 is a copy)
Still missing Channel 12, CKCO, I put CFTO in its place.
Never had Channel 13, TV Guide
Still missing Channel 14, Omni 2
Still missing Channel 15, Sun TV
Still missing Channel 19, TSC
Still missing Channel 20, Rogers
Moved Channel 23, CTS
Moved Channel 25, YTV
Still missing Channel 37, BBC News
Still missing Channel 45, History
Still missing Channel 47, which was TBS, now Peachtree.
Still no listing, gray across the gird Channel 50, Teletoon
Moved Channel 51, Family (series names but no episode names)
Still missing Channel 53, SCR
Still missing Channel 54, Speed
Still missing Channel 55, AMC
Never had Channel 57, BNN
Lost Channel 70, APTN, years ago.


Down at the bottom of my listings 551 was YTVHD, 556 was FamilyHD, and 651 was CITS-1 – I edited these station numbers to put them back into place (51, 25, 23). YTV didn’t have listings for all days. All course all channels still come though the TV. For all the hassle this software is worth, I’d really like something new that can still work with my XP machine that:

-Can screenshot when paused
-Can log live TV for about an hour and be able to pause/rr/ff though it
-Can record with better quality/smaller file size/and possibly a different file format
-A reliable EPG with all and correct channels for Canada.
-And eventually, be able to hook up my VCR and record my VHS tapes to files.

Does this involve buying a new TV tuner/video card and if so, where and what brand/software version?
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and analog cable. Both computers I have run on 32-bit XP. I’m going to answer DA1745’s questions here as best as I can (thanks for your patience as always): http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost...&postcount=176

The old computer I used ATI/Gemstar on was given to me with the program on it with its CD and booklet. I was running Windows 98 and used it from 2001-2005. It was later reformatted with XP Pro and used by another family member from 2005-2009. The ATI software was never reinstalled when XP was put on because I wasn’t using the machine anymore but the ATI card remained inside as it was the primary graphics card for this computer – it is a 32MB AIW Radeon 7200. I Everest’d this machine and also got “7200 AGP” and “Radeon ATI DDR” so I’m not sure what the official title is. The booklet says ATI MMC 7 (I can’t find what version Guide Plus) and is copyrighted 2000.I guess this software would not work with Windows XP because of its age? So did you get this PC back or what??? Are you planning to put it back into service? --- Or is it just here for additional data? I'm un-clear.
Well IDK for sure but MMC 7 is right around the XP time I don't see why it woudn't work. PLUS once you installed the main components 1) an version of catalyst 6.2 or OLDER, then you could install everything else (dvd decoder, guide plus etc) off the disc and then use a slightely newer version MMC 9.08 and newer (like your MMC 8.2 version from your TV wonder pro disc.
I see support listed for some versions so I would think it does work with XP - but it's a matter of getting all the parts together in the right way.



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The feature I lost with my newer software ...is what the old booklet called TV-on-Demand where I could either have a live TV feed or TV-on-Demand with a click of an icon. .... I could always pause/screenshot with the TV-on-Demand on the old computer. Each way, I’m screwed for making screenshots.
After re-reading this post and your last, I understand things better; I initially assumed you were talking about the problem we were all complaining about after upgrading to MMC 9.14-9.16 as some of the problems you mentioned are similar to using those. HOWEVER, I now think that it's possible that the TV Wonder pro doesn't have the option that the AIW did. i have one of those cards but the system I used it in burnt up with a bad Antec Power supply.
Perhaps someone that is still using a TV wonder pro could comment.

The new computer I got in 2005 and has XP Home. I bought the then current ATI TV Wonder Pro at Best Buy. Instead of getting a nice instruction booklet it was all files on the disk…and I failed to ever read these until today, as I always used the book from the old software because at the time I thought “its all the exact same”. Since I use an Intel Graphics card I can’t find with Everest the exact ATI card model ??? Ok did you mean to say Intel Graphics card there? If your graphics are by Intel then you are using not a Graphics card but Intel's built onto the Motherboard Graphics Chip. If you look at the back of the PC does your graphics VGA port go Vertically (as in it's built right into the motherboard usually up by or near the mouse and keyboard ports) or does it go Horizontally and it's down where the add in cards are? In other words is the GRAPHICS card something you can remove?

and it doesn’t say on the box (copyrighted 2003) – where can I find this info? I have always used the ATI MMC 8.2 and Guide Plus 1.0.0.44 that came on the disk. As stated, reading through the MMC guide now on the disk; it has no mention of TV-on-Demand anywhere. I wish I had realized this six years ago but it was years later I used the software and realized I didn’t have this function anymore – when/why did they remove it? And as stated above, can’t take screens when putting a video on pause in the File Player. MMC 8.8 is the oldest version I have ever used and it came with TV on demand (when using an AIW ==> again not sure about with a TV wonder pro though). So this may simply be a loss of the feature from AIW line to the TV wonder pro card line. Which makes since since you say you had it back in MMC 7 on your old system. And I had it in MMC 8.8 (using AIW 9600XT) and MMC 9.06 & 9.06.1 & 9.08 using (AIW 9800 pro & X800XT). So it's not gone from the software, likely just not a feature the TV wonder pro has.
Can you get your old system back? Try out the AIW 7200?


More channels were lost/moved from what I posted here. This has to do with the move to digital and analog signals slowly being replaced. In Canada the analog shut off is August 31, 2011 – will Guide Plus then be useless? No, that's not correct. I think I went into Great detail about this before. This is the combination of 2 known things and possibly other forces. TV Guides current owners have stated that they will continue to be publishing TV guides... And this has certainly been true for the U.S. having gone digital now for almost 2 years.

So why the missing channels. (1) it's what your cable co reports to TV guide. --> Titan TV the service used for Windows Media Center in my area gets 1 of the almost 70 Clear QAM Digital Channels available in my area. ==> Why bc my Cable Co doesn't provide them.
(2) TV Guide people are NOT proactive in making sure their line-ups are accurate. About 1.5 years ago my CC re-did their digital line up and TV Guide has YET to correct this or update they still post under the old channel numbers. --> Being that AIW are all analog it doesn't matter but it just shows they aren't on the ball, not competent at what they do at all!
3)With everything being about money it's possible that certain channels aren't be listed for a reason. It's been about 5 years since the network WE has been displayed... Despite them updating for some of the other channels as the lineups changed. So why have they never added WE??? IDK Maybe WE is owned by a competitor, maybe WE didn't pay them ?????????

Anyway, this has ZERO to do with the digital changeover. There are STILL digital TV's out there with integrated TV guides and they will want to and are being supplied with digital & analog information.

channels still come though the TV. For all the hassle this software is worth, I’d really like something new that can still work with my XP machine that:

-Can screenshot when paused
Well Windows itself has a Screen capture feature. It's the button called PrtScn / Sys Rq up in the upper middle right of your keyboard usually (depending on keyboard style). In order for this to work for me, the TV Window can't be in full screen mode it has to be in the Window-ed mode --> you know where you can resize it etc. (it can still take up almost the entire screen but just can't be full screen mode in Windows Media Center --> IDK if the same applies to MMC though.?.

-Can log live TV for about an hour and be able to pause/rr/ff though it
-Can record with better quality/smaller file size/and possibly a different file format
-A reliable EPG with all and correct channels for Canada.
-And eventually, be able to hook up my VCR and record my VHS tapes to files.
Does this involve buying a new TV tuner/video card and if so, where and what brand/software version?
You might try digging around two ACTIVE boards. Avsforum.com -- they have a HTPC thread. Try searching for you card ATI TV wonder pro there. OR The green button.

However, even if the on demand is gone you can still record and watch later and with the Print Screen capture button you should be able to get by.

With XP and an older PC there are lots of issues to consider does your PConly have PCI ports which today limits your TV tuner options. There aren't too many quality ones that are PCI Here's one but it's expensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...uge-_-15116033
The other issue is the Software that comes with the cards. Some have terrible software too. And you can't use MMC with them so you are back in the trouble boat again.



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For 95% of my needs I have moved to Vista Media Center & Now Windows 7 Media Center. I use TV Tuner cards and it in general is a decent Tivo like setup. I can record series of shows, new or all episodes so I don't have to remember each day to set a timer etc. I just monitor it as did a good job in Vista of recording the show I wanted when a conflict occured but it's not as good in Windows 7.

I've lost track of whether the ATI TV wonder pro can work with Vista or W7... but you'd need to know b4 you went that way.

---> I HATE MICROSOFT!! but in this instance what they stole for all the other TV tuners programs like MMC they have made into a nice interface. You can buy a 3 user license family pack in the US often on sale for $125 or less.
I'm really drowsy and forgotten where I'm headed in this article so I'm going to push submit and look at it sometime in the future!

If you Current PC has PCI-Express slots you could buy less expensive TV tuners. Or you could use a USB external though they are software based... Here's the rub again, but one thing you would have gained access to with many newer tuners is OTA Digital and what ever Clear QAM (if any) digitial un-encrypted SD or HD channels your cable company is putting out there. UNFORTUNATELY, XP requires software in order to be able to operate those... So if it doesn't come with the card you bought OR it's crappy then it's a bit disappointing.

Is getting the AIW 7200 back into service an option?
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Now Ive given my guide plus a new name... Willy

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Very bad news, i wrote to rovi and here is the answer:

It appears you are using AMD / ATI Guide software to get TV listings from the internet.
Due to contractual differences with AMD/ATI, this service is no longer available.

If this is not the case and you are using an On Screen Guide built into a TV or DVR please reply to this email with the following information:

Zip Code:
Device Make and Model Number:
Cable Provider or OTA(antenna):
Set up if Cable (Cable Ready, Cable Box, Cable Card):

Regards,

Rovi CE Tech Support


I just wrote to AMD and ask them to fix the contractual problem with Rovi



Here are the 2 places i find the email address on their website

http://www.rovicorp.com/company/11088.htm
http://support.amd.com/us/contacts/P...l-support.aspx

I strongly suggest that everybody complaign to AMD instead of Rovi because there is no relation with us. We bought the card from AMD/ATI so they are the ones who makes publicity on their box about Gemstar. We have to put pressure on them to restore the communication with Rovi and fix the conflictual problem.

I mentionned that i saw other people on internet who was also complaigning about the termination of the service but i have no idea of how many. Just on another forum the thread has been read by over 60 peoples in a few hours. I am surprise because ATI cards are at least 7 or 8 years old
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I wrote to Rovi and AMD, here are their answers:

Rovi :

It appears you are using AMD / ATI Guide software to get TV listings from the internet.
Due to contractual differences with AMD/ATI, this service is no longer available.


If this is not the case and you are using an On Screen Guide built into a TV or DVR please reply to this email with the following information:

Zip Code:
Device Make and Model Number:
Cable Provider or OTA(antenna):
Set up if Cable (Cable Ready, Cable Box, Cable Card):

Rovi CE Tech Support


AMD:

There is no contract dispute with the providers of Gemstar, the software is simply end of life like the ATI MMC software it shipped with. The MMC software was last updated in late 2006.
You should be able to use 3rd party online TV listings in your region. Your local cable/satellite provider will typically have a TV listing of the channels they carry on their web pages.
Titan TV and Zap2it are popular sites providing listings based on Zip codes.
Gemstar listings have never been guaranteed, simply provided as is with the ATI MMC software.



Rest in peace Guide Plus
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Ive got a XP and a 9600 AIW card...
OK I know its old but it worked great on my old analog big screen..
Without changing hardware /OS, whats my next option?
Which would be a better upgrade? Win7 or update the card
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This sucks. The packaging and papers that came with my ATI card didn't say anything about Guide Plus+ System - ATI being "as is" or having a life cycle.

Still, the problem here is with Rovi. All we need for our stuff to keep working right is the listing data they've been providing. They have it. We need it. And it won't hurt them to let us have it.

We paid for it when we bought our capture cards. We just have to make Rovi understand that when the bought Guide Plus, we were part of the package.
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Any substitute applciation that used the 9600 AIW card?
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I too got the "contractual differences" story from Rovi. My reply...
I disagree. This has nothing to do with ATI. It's Gemstar software which Rovi now owns. And that ownership includes an obligation to continue providing the TV listing data.

I don't see what the problem is -- except that nobody in control wants to deal with it.

If Rovi wants to abandon this obligation, it should also abandon the software... Make Guide Plus+ for Windows open source and we in the community will make it work.

In the software's current state, from a legal and programming point, only Rovi can provide the listing data. If you release the software to open source, entities such as Schedules Direct (which purchases listing data for use in open source software) could write a hook to work with Guide Plus+.

This doesn't need to end badly for anyone. I think we can all be satisfied if Rovi will play nice.

Thanks,
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Lets keep fingers crossed.

TonyF: You might try something like GB-PVR to replace Guide Plus, but you'd still need to purchase the listing data from another source. Take a look at Schedules Direct (Good people there).

I've used those two as a Guide Plus+ backup in the past -- for those times Guide Plus+ wouldn't work. The setup can be a bit painful but, it can work. The drawback (aside from having to pay a few bucks for the listings - fair enough) is I really like Guide Plus+ and in my opinion, nothing really compares. I've tried a lot of different programs, including Windows Media Center. But the interfaces are just too bulky and the applications too resource intensive.
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Has anyone tried MediaPortal? I have been trying to get it to work but keep having trouble getting SQL Server to login.
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I finally got MediaPortal working only to find it did not support my ATI X1900 card for the TV function. Bummer.
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Well... The week is nearly over and Rovi hasn't responded to my last email, so I've prompted them:
Hello again,
Although there has been no reply yet, I'm still hoping Rovi will come around. We can provide reasonable arguments why Rovi should continue the service or do something more constructive than just canceling without notice.

Please advise or direct me to a party with more influence in the decision.

Thanks,
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Still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping Rovi will either continue the data or release the software so we can find an open source solution. One of the GREAT PEOPLE at Schedules Direct told me a couple years ago they could probably write a hook to feed Guide Plus+ for Windows, but they're not allowed to play with proprietary software... Their services can only be used in open source applications. Then again, motivation might become a factor even for SD... As time passes, our numbers shrink. Who will make the effort for just a few of us?
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I finally got MediaPortal working only to find it did not support my ATI X1900 card for the TV function. Bummer.
Hang on.... Does the x1900 even have a TV tuner or capture ability?
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Hi T.,
What exactly do you need the software to do?
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Hang on.... Does the x1900 even have a TV tuner or capture ability?
Sure does. It's fairly old. Bought it in April of 2006. It was latest All In Wonder then.

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It may be worth trying GB-PVR http://www.gbpvr.com

The x1900 isn't specifically listed but, I think it'll work. Fair warning... You'll have to pay for listings. (Use Schedules Direct -- a non-profit pay service designed to fill the void of the defunct, previously free Zap2it EPG Listings service. Native support in GB-PVR.) And before even trying to set everything up, clear your mind of all distractions, read the documentation. Then read it again.
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Already tried gpvbr.com. Wouldn't recognize my card either. I think I am going to have to get a separate Tv tuner card.
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Already tried gpvbr.com. Wouldn't recognize my card either. I think I am going to have to get a separate Tv tuner card.

Ive tried Medal Portal and NPVR without any luck... I even bought a used Happauge PVR 150 off ebay but no luck getting it to work on any PVR. It may be a dud I also may have conflict from all the PVRs Ive tried to install. I still have the ATI MMC installed because it still works, I just have to work a lot more to get it to work. I just want to record my shows quickly and easly
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I bought a Nvidea GTX550TXi grahics card and a Hauppage WinTV-950Q USB tuner. No more problems getting and recording tv channels.
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I bought a Nvidea GTX550TXi grahics card and a Hauppage WinTV-950Q USB tuner. No more problems getting and recording tv channels.
So what kind of EPG software does it use?
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the tuner came with WinTV7 for watching TV and TitanTV scheduler for recording shows. You just click on the program and select record and it records the program in the WINTV folder. TitanTV is like TVGuide except it interacts with WINTV. If you have MediaCenter you can use it instead. I picked up all my analog cable channels plus 14 digital channels. I use Windows XP so I don't have MediaCenter. Recording with TitanTV is easier than it was with GuidePlus.
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the tuner came with WinTV7 for watching TV and TitanTV scheduler for recording shows. You just click on the program and select record and it records the program in the WINTV folder. TitanTV is like TVGuide except it interacts with WINTV. If you have MediaCenter you can use it instead. I picked up all my analog cable channels plus 14 digital channels. I use Windows XP so I don't have MediaCenter. Recording with TitanTV is easier than it was with GuidePlus.
I use XP too. So the big question is: How can someone download TitanTV and use it in place of the Gemstar GuidePlus?

I went to the TitanTV website and I don't see anything one can download. However I did click on a show at random in the grid listing and saw a "Record" button. I clicked it to see what would happen and a I got a download prompt for some file called "program.tvpi" that was only 582 bytes.

I'm not even all that interested in recording anything, I'm still just simply looking for an icon I can click on my Quick Launch Toolbar (or on the ATI MMC) that will open up all the grid channel listings as GuidePlus did.

BTW, speaking of Rovi.....the morons at Cox trashed their STB firmware a few months back. Not only were features removed from the STB's, but it's even slower and even less responsive than previously, and even freezes up more, (feats previously believed to be impossible), but the frickin' data is even more erroneous than it was before! And guess what you now see when looking at the EPG/GUI?? The "ROVI" logo!!!! I missed 3 shows tonight because these jerks can't get the info correct! (And I just looked at these times & channels at TitanTV and they had it correct!)

Rovi strikes again.
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Old Jan 3, 2012, 08:19 AM   #208
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I checked my installation cd. TitanTV is part of the WinTV setup program. It installs with WinTV. When you record a TV show with TitanTV, the program stores the TV show in the WinTV folder. WinTV only works with Hauppauge products as far as I know.
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My how time files. My last post was in April 2011 with my last Guide Plus update in September 2010. Now it’s April 2012 and I reformatted and reinstalled Guide Plus again in September 2011. I didn’t want to leave anything here open ended.

The thing is, I have used the service and software less and less from about 2008 on. From when I started using it in 2001, I would download listings every weekend, find the series and what episodes where airing when and where, and be set. Then I started to forget and fall behind…two weeks, three weeks…then I was updating monthly…every two months, and then six months at a time. In the longer periods I have used this software since 2008 a lot changed tech and cable wise, and then I started having issues where I lost and/or had to rename/number all the channels over again once I did a fresh install, which I covered before in this thread. This software, in the early to mid 2000s, was bang for buck the best with TV recording and TV listings and I used it for years without issues. That is however until we all started having issues here updating the guide. Since my reinstall in September 2011 I haven’t even used the software or service once, although in the back of my mind it was always there to eventually get around to it. From September 2010 to September 2011 I used it very sparingly. I have a hint of regret not taking more advantage of this software when you still could, but I simply kept forgetting and didn’t have the time.

Getting back to DA1745’s questions…
I guess this software would not work with Windows XP because of its age? So did you get this PC back or what??? Are you planning to put it back into service? --- Or is it just here for additional data? I'm un-clear.
It has been sitting unused in the basement since 2009, getting turned on once or twice a year. It’s so damn slow I really need to find some older used RAM for it. I talked about it to tell you about my history with ATI/Gemstar software and how “TV-on-Demand” was only on that older card, but not for the newer card I got for my computer in 2005. As stated, for the older machine the card served as a capture/recording device and the computers graphics card. My newer computer – its only purpose was to capture/record. Hence, why they dropped some features on the newer cards makes no sense to me.

Well IDK for sure but MMC 7 is right around the XP time I don't see why it woudn't work. PLUS once you installed the main components 1) an version of catalyst 6.2 or OLDER, then you could install everything else (dvd decoder, guide plus etc) off the disc and then use a slightely newer version MMC 9.08 and newer (like your MMC 8.2 version from your TV wonder pro disc.
I see support listed for some versions so I would think it does work with XP - but it's a matter of getting all the parts together in the right way.

I assumed since the older 32MB AIW Radeon 7200 (I think it came out July 2000) and its booklet were copyrighted 2000 and make no mention of XP, it would not work. As I have had programs from my Windows 98 days I could no longer use with XP. Sadly I never took the time to run the older machine and install everything with the older disc and hook the cable to it to see if I could make it run like the old days (now with XP Pro not 98). It is kind of buried now under rubble.

After re-reading this post and your last, I understand things better; I initially assumed you were talking about the problem we were all complaining about after upgrading to MMC 9.14-9.16 as some of the problems you mentioned are similar to using those. HOWEVER, I now think that it's possible that the TV Wonder pro doesn't have the option that the AIW did. i have one of those cards but the system I used it in burnt up with a bad Antec Power supply.
Perhaps someone that is still using a TV wonder pro could comment.

Isn’t that what everyone is using? Don’t you mean people who are still using an AIW?
I didn’t know as much about computers back then as I do now. But I now realize that the All-in-Wonder series was a combination graphics card/TV tuner card, and the TV Wonder Pro is only TV tuner. When I got my new PC (which I’m still using) in 2005, it was built with an Asus P4P800-VM motherboard (which I now detest as I can only overclock it with software and not in the BIOS) which has integrated Intel Extreme Graphics. So I didn’t need an AIW as I had integrated graphics (which I now realize is kind of crappy but back in 2005 this mid-range machine was still pretty pricey for my wallet). I went to Best Buy and bought the then current TV Wonder Pro (did they even make AIWs by that time?), which in my last post I explained wasn’t the same as my older AIW in terms of features.

So, my main question is now – when did ATI remove the TV-on-Demand feature in its All-in-Wonder series? And, was it ever offered in the TV Wonder Pro series? I still can’t find the exact model I have. I bought it in 2005 and the box is copyrighted 2003.

Ok did you mean to say Intel Graphics card there? If your graphics are by Intel then you are using not a Graphics card but Intel's built onto the Motherboard Graphics Chip. If you look at the back of the PC does your graphics VGA port go Vertically (as in it's built right into the motherboard usually up by or near the mouse and keyboard ports) or does it go Horizontally and it's down where the add in cards are? In other words is the GRAPHICS card something you can remove?
When I was researching overclocking, running dual monitors and RAM usage a while back, I now realize years later, it’s intergraded with the motherboard.

MMC 8.8 is the oldest version I have ever used and it came with TV on demand (when using an AIW ==> again not sure about with a TV wonder pro though). So this may simply be a loss of the feature from AIW line to the TV wonder pro card line. Which makes since since you say you had it back in MMC 7 on your old system. And I had it in MMC 8.8 (using AIW 9600XT) and MMC 9.06 & 9.06.1 & 9.08 using (AIW 9800 pro & X800XT). So it's not gone from the software, likely just not a feature the TV wonder pro has.
Can you get your old system back? Try out the AIW 7200?

This begs the question, why remove such a vital feature as TV-on-Demand in the TV Wonder Pro series? It’s a TV tuner card – that is its main purpose! To record/capture/watch/screencap TV through your computer. Why the heck remove the ability to be able to log about an hour’s worth of television and be able to scroll back/fast forward, etc?
Can I put my old AIW in my newer 2005 machine without it disrupting my Intel integrated graphics?

More channels were lost/moved from what I posted here. This has to do with the move to digital and analog signals slowly being replaced. In Canada the analog shut off is August 31, 2011 – will Guide Plus then be useless? No, that's not correct
Actually, I think it is, as I’ll explain later on…**

Well Windows itself has a Screen capture feature. It's the button called PrtScn / Sys Rq up in the upper middle right of your keyboard usually (depending on keyboard style). In order for this to work for me, the TV Window can't be in full screen mode it has to be in the Window-ed mode --> you know where you can resize it etc. (it can still take up almost the entire screen but just can't be full screen mode in Windows Media Center --> IDK if the same applies to MMC though.?.
That is the most basic and wrong way. In recent years I found VLC Media Player can make screens, but I still miss and prefer the way I could screen back when I could scroll through logged TV and cap things with TV-on-Demand. As stated, for some stupid reason if you play a file in ATI File Player, the screenshot camera icon goes “blank” when you pause the video. Honestly how else do they think people can screencap? You can press the camera icon when the video is playing, but it’s close to impossible to cap exactly what you want when the image is moving. Someone really effed up there.

You might try digging around two ACTIVE boards. Avsforum.com -- they have a HTPC thread. Try searching for you card ATI TV wonder pro there. OR The green button.
However, even if the on demand is gone you can still record and watch later and with the Print Screen capture button you should be able to get by.

The on-demand feature was a really big deal for me when I had it ten years ago. It was the main reason I bought another ATI card for my newer machine only to find out years later it was missing the very feature I wanted. An oversight on my part, I know.

With XP and an older PC there are lots of issues to consider does your PC only have PCI ports which today limits your TV tuner options. There aren't too many quality ones that are PCI. Here's one but it's expensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...uge-_-15116033
The other issue is the Software that comes with the cards. Some have terrible software too. And you can't use MMC with them so you are back in the trouble boat again.

I have spent all the money I’m going to spend on this older machine so I’m stuck with this older ATI stuff. I was still running on 500MB of RAM until 2011 until I finally upped it to 3GB with some cheap used RAM to make browsing the now bloated Internet and its browsers of today (Firefox is a memory hog) easier. I’ll get a new PC eventually and will have to research the new options in TV tuners then. Yes, this machine has PCI ports.

For 95% of my needs I have moved to Vista Media Center & Now Windows 7 Media Center. I use TV Tuner cards and it in general is a decent Tivo like setup. I can record series of shows, new or all episodes so I don't have to remember each day to set a timer etc. I just monitor it as did a good job in Vista of recording the show I wanted when a conflict occured but it's not as good in Windows 7.
I've lost track of whether the ATI TV wonder pro can work with Vista or W7... but you'd need to know b4 you went that way.

I will be riding on XP for as long as possible. I both dislike Vista and 7 for several reasons.

If you Current PC has PCI-Express slots you could buy less expensive TV tuners. Or you could use a USB external though they are software based... Here's the rub again, but one thing you would have gained access to with many newer tuners is OTA Digital and what ever Clear QAM (if any) digitial un-encrypted SD or HD channels your cable company is putting out there. UNFORTUNATELY, XP requires software in order to be able to operate those... So if it doesn't come with the card you bought OR it's crappy then it's a bit disappointing.
Is getting the AIW 7200 back into service an option?

Now in 2012, I think it is a lost cause…

>>All course all channels still come though the TV.<<
What I may have not made clear here in my older post: I’ve lost channels in the Guide Plus listings, however ALL the channels still come through the ATI TV; some now have lost there title (like ABC, FOX) and just show their channel numbers without their name.

I mentionned that i saw other people on internet who was also complaigning about the termination of the service but i have no idea of how many. Just on another forum the thread has been read by over 60 peoples in a few hours. I am surprise because ATI cards are at least 7 or 8 years old
Can you link the thread here?

After reading over the most recent posts, it appears ATI/Gemstar/Guide Plus is officially dead in 2011/2012. I didn’t use the program much between May 2011 (when we couldn’t download listings anymore) and September 2011 when I had a hard drive crash and reinstalled. Since then I put everything back and did the registry edit of the “http://144.198.100.134/gtidl/gdnget2.asp” URL, which of course doesn’t work. I’m now fiddling with the software again for the first time in seven months getting the TV to work again. It was so much easier to get the TV working when I could download listings first.

**However, the real death knell for this aging software, besides the fact that we lost listings last year, is the fact that analog cable is dead and as far as I see it, this software is now useless. Let me explain (see image):

http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/att...8&d=1335383731

This is my set up and has been for years. Analog cable coming from the wall in my room (originally from the basement). The cable goes into a splitter: one way to my VCR (to use as a converter [old knob TV] and recorder), other way into the back of my PC, into the TV Wonder Pro card. With this set up, I can watch TV through both TV and computer, and can watch/record different things on different screens. Example, I could be watching something on channel 25 on the television and be watching channel 50 through the ATI TV on the computer monitor. I can change channels separately on the computer using the ATI TV.

For those of you who live in Ontario, Canada, and are with Rogers Cable, then you know that starting back in January 2012 there was an announcement that Rogers was shutting down its analog cable and that people still with analog would need a digital box to keep getting channels. This started in the biggest cities in Feb/Mar, and just today (which prompted me to come back and post here) I got a letter from Rogers for my area (a smaller district about an hour and half south of Toronto) that we need these boxes soon as by May 31, 2012 our analog service gets shut down. From what I’ve read here, and from what I’ve read in general about digital cable, boxes, and PVRs, this essentially makes my current set up useless.

Everything has to go through the digital box first. Gone are the days of spitting analog cable as much as you wanted to throughout your household (and subsequently paying for only one TV). Because you need a digital box for every television set you own. All of which cost more money/fees and drain more electricity as they are always on. The digital box becomes the primary source of function and the main thing to navigate channels. You can only change channels through the box! This means I can’t change channels through the ATI TV anymore, because its source to my computer is an analog source that never needed a digital box to convert anything first. After May 31, 2012, I assume I will only get white noise or nothing through my ATI TV.

And even if I got a digital box, and then spilt it on its way out (if that’s possible, I don’t know the detailed specifics about digital cable/boxes/PVRs or even DVD recorders) two ways to my old television set and to my computer…I’d assume that since you can only change channels through the box, what I watch on my old TV is what I will see through my computer. I won’t be able to watch different channels at once anymore. Hell, I don’t even know where the digital cable signal would even show up on ATI TV if I spilt it from the digital box and hooked it to the TV Wonder Pro card on the back of my PC. Channel 3? Channel 4? Auxiliary video? As per what I’ve read as a whole on digital cable – we’ve lost the ability to simply record one program and watch another. That’s what the VCR was all about in the 1980s! That seems like a major step back and I don’t even know if you can hook a VCR up to a digital box. How can you watch one thing and record another if all functions go through the digital box and not the VCR? I assume the one free box you get from Rogers only has one tuner inside of it.

Right now I’m going to fiddle and try and get my old ATI TV working as right now it is not. Generally I’ve moved on to Zap2it as a reliable source for listings in my area. I even wrote them to tell them how much I like the service and wish I had discovered it earlier. However there are things about Guide Plus I will always miss. Eventually when I get a new computer, as I doubt I can find any decent TV tuner cards for this one anymore, I’ll need something that:

-[File Player] Can screenshot when paused (VLC is okay but could be better).
-Can log live TV for about an hour and be able to pause/rr/ff/screencap through it (TV-on-Demand).
-Can record with better quality/smaller file size/and different file formats.
-A reliable EPG with all and correct channels for Canada. (Zap2it is doing a good job for now).
-And eventually, be able to hook up my VCR and record my VHS tapes to files.

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