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Old Apr 14, 2012, 12:28 AM   #61
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Well I guess his psychopathic lineage ends right here.

Husband dead. Check.
Daughter dead. Check.
Son dead. Check.

Other than that, WTF????

Seriously what kind of man would shotgun his own daughter in the face?
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Old Apr 14, 2012, 01:23 AM   #62
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She probably thought a public place was safe enough, and that having the kids there would also force him to have a little self-control. Most people try not to show too much emo in front of kids, or in public.

I'd say she didn't realize HOW crazy he was. I've never understood why, after killing the spouse, the kids have to be killed off too. How can you kill your kids?
It blows my mind how someone can get THIS crazy and manage to get a GF. I mean they must have some kind of social skill. They must have some kind of decent job. How the F did they get this F up? What childhood has these people been though?
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I think all of you miss a very important point here considering the killing of his daughters.

MY first reaction if I saw this guy running after his daughters with a shotgun would have been NOT that he wants to kill them, since they are his daughters, is that he wants to kidnap them or something after killing his wife. I mean come on, killing the wife AND the children that is very far beyond reason.
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I look at it like this. I would hope that if my kid was threatened that someone anyone would protect her. Kinda like a protect pay it forward.
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I think it's a huge risk that no rational, untrained person would take if they had a family of their own. Better to keep yourself alive and make sure your family is taken care of, rather than depend on the conscience of strangers imo.
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Sorry but the guy had a shotgun in a closed area. No way would I be messing with him.
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Maybe but doubtful. But thats just me, never even seen a gun in real life nevermind fired one. And I certainly wouldnt try and take the guy down from behind.
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I want to see what this guy looked like. /physiognomy
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I think it's a huge risk that no rational, untrained person would take if they had a family of their own. Better to keep yourself alive and make sure your family is taken care of, rather than depend on the conscience of strangers imo.
Not really, In all circumstances I would be the protector for my family. What would happen if I wasn't there. If just one person steps forward to save someone, a good deal of normal people will follow suit. Mob mentally sometimes has a positive effect. Most acts of courage are started by one, and like a cascade it will quickly spur others to know that it is possible. But this is how I think.
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Not really, In all circumstances I would be the protector for my family. What would happen if I wasn't there. If just one person steps forward to save someone, a good deal of normal people will follow suit. Mob mentally sometimes has a positive effect. Most acts of courage are started by one, and like a cascade it will quickly spur others to know that it is possible. But this is how I think.
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Actually when I think about I know with absolute certainty that I would act. My thoughts would be if he is willing to kill his own children what is to stop him from gunning everyone else down. It would be akin to an act of self preservation as no one can assume that the nut job was going to stop at his wife and kids. Everyone cleared out while his attention was on murdering his family. What if there was no way to leave?. The simple fact is that you can not assume just running will save you. In my mind the only way that my own safety would be assured would be to stop the gunman either killing him or permanently crippling him.
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I am with Fat_Daddy_Cool on this one. Once you have ever worked in Law Enforcement and made that decision I don't think you can easily turn your back on it unless you are with your family then their safety must come first.
Once that can be assured then if you can I think your conscience would force you to act. I am not going to say I am the bravest man there is I surely am not. But I always get the job done during the situation always have. It's after it's all over that the nerves hit and I get the crap scared out of me.

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All of the Mark Wahlbergs in here make me laugh.

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What if there was no way to leave?. The simple fact is that you can not assume just running will save you. In my mind the only way that my own safety would be assured would be to stop the gunman either killing him or permanently crippling him.
Why wouldn't you be able to leave? It's not a bank vault, the doors and windows are made of glass. I'm also pretty sure getting out of firing range and line of sight is more likely to save you than running directly into the source of gunfire.

If you were a cop now, what would SOP be when you get a call for something like this? Barging in and taking the gunman with your bare hands? In all likelyhood, you'd make a call for backup and wait for SWAT/HRT to arrive. Why would anyone expect untrained, unarmed, unarmored civilians to do anything above and beyond fleeing in the same scenario?

Whatever you choose to do in that situation is your business, but the only *reasonable* thing for people to do when shots ring out is to assess the direction of fire and get the hell away from it. I wouldn't expect any less and I think it's a serious threat to your survival if you do otherwise.
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Everyone is a hero until they're actually in that situation.
Funny have YOU ever been in that type situation? Everyone knows Wahlberg is a idiot for saying that. And it definitely is NOT like it looks on TV or in the Movies. And I absolutely ain't a hero I just had to do a job for ten years and once you make a decision to do that job some part of it never leaves you. And in all reality there would be a good chance that I would get my a*s shot off. Or if I did get lucky enough to stop him get sued for it.
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If you know that then why would you do it?
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Hard to explain for one thing I am ready to go. And second I have a son and I would hope someone would give him a chance to live. Third I have faced my own death before. (Held hostage during a jail break in 1988 by 5 convicted murderers from Kenton Co. KY. I tried to google it but came up empty feel free to try yourself.it happened in Pulaski Co. KY.) These are not necessarily it the correct order. Oh one more thing I do NOT have a death wish I hope to live a very long time. One thing I will add I have never been to war and I am sure what I have gone thru is nothing compared to that.
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Hard to explain for one thing I am ready to go. And second I have a son and I would hope someone would give him a chance to live. Third I have faced my own death before. (Held hostage during a jail break in 1988 by 5 convicted murderers from Kenton Co. KY. I tried to google it but came up empty feel free to try yourself.it happened in Pulaski Co. KY.) These are not necessarily it the correct order. Oh one more thing I do NOT have a death wish I hope to live a very long time. One thing I will add I have never been to war and I am sure what I have gone thru is nothing compared to that.
I did a search for this because the story sounded interesting.

The only thing I could find was info about a jailbreak in June 1988 at the Kentucky State Penitentiary in Eddyville.

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Funny I don't remember the Eddyville escape. But then again I was only 23 at the time and alot has happened since then. But I do remember Eddyville very well one of the first things I had to do was transport 7 prisoners along with another Deputy to that State Penitentiary. Going thru that place made me realize no matter how much money was involved well (if you can't do the time don't do the crime) that I couldn't do the time.
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Why wouldn't you be able to leave? It's not a bank vault, the doors and windows are made of glass. I'm also pretty sure getting out of firing range and line of sight is more likely to save you than running directly into the source of gunfire.

If you were a cop now, what would SOP be when you get a call for something like this? Barging in and taking the gunman with your bare hands? In all likelyhood, you'd make a call for backup and wait for SWAT/HRT to arrive. Why would anyone expect untrained, unarmed, unarmored civilians to do anything above and beyond fleeing in the same scenario?

Whatever you choose to do in that situation is your business, but the only *reasonable* thing for people to do when shots ring out is to assess the direction of fire and get the hell away from it. I wouldn't expect any less and I think it's a serious threat to your survival if you do otherwise.
Hey I never said it was the right thing as that is variable on the situation but I know with certainty how I react. I am going to do what I have to do, ain't saying that I could have stopped the guy I don't know if I could have. To me it is a clear path, take the threat down and everyone's safety is assured.
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 03:41 AM   #83
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I can't understand your train of thought. If everyone owned guns someone could still pull one out and open fire. However they'd also go down a lot faster having trained gun owners around them. The children might have lived.
You realize how unstable a lot of people are right? Being that this is a computer forum, it's users are generally more intelligent and logical than the overall population. Arming everyone with deadly weapons does not seem like a prudent thing.

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I find it disgusting you are able to find blame for the woman in this.
Obviously I don't "blame" her for being shot, but she really didn't go about this in a smart way. From what I've read, she left the husband because she was scared for her safety.

It would have been much smarter to do this through a third party of some sort. Lawyer or through the mail, whatever.


As far as the debate on whether or not to take action, it would totally depend on the situation. This situation: one guy with a shotgun, I'd like to think I probably would have done something. If it were more than one guy, or he had a different weapon... then I would GTFO. My heroism only goes so far. If it's a situation where I would die and wouldn't save anyone else anyway, then f that. But kids... I just can't stand senseless violence towards kids...

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You realize how unstable a lot of people are right? Being that this is a computer forum, it's users are generally more intelligent and logical than the overall population. Arming everyone with deadly weapons does not seem like a prudent thing.



Obviously I don't "blame" her for being shot, but she really didn't go about this in a smart way. From what I've read, she left the husband because she was scared for her safety.

It would have been much smarter to do this through a third party of some sort. Lawyer or through the mail, whatever.


As far as the debate on whether or not to take action, it would totally depend on the situation. This situation: one guy with a shotgun, I'd like to think I probably would have done something. If it were more than one guy, or he had a different weapon... then I would GTFO. My heroism only goes so far. If it's a situation where I would die and wouldn't save anyone else anyway, then f that. But kids... I just can't stand senseless violence towards kids...
Nerds are more intelligent and logical? Since when? I always though those half sleeve tattoo guys in their Mustang are 100X more intelligent and logical. Girls dig them more so they must be better!

Seriously every girl wants that handsome, smart, sporty and funny guy to date. It is sad how some of them end up with these psychos. I guess not every girl is as smart as they thought they were.
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Actually in fairly close quarters like a restaurant I would rather face someone with a handgun than a shotgun with 00 buckshot anyday.
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It's easy to play captain heropants reading these stories but I would probably flee then fire on the guy from a safer position. If I was in that situation and armed I certainly would take action.
The point of carrying is to protect yourself. I'd "flee" 99% of the time if given the chance.

That being said, if some scumbag was roaming around a restaurant blasting kids I'd shoot him dead.
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